Does anyone else...

"GhostZ" (GhostZ)
07/02/2014 at 18:32 • Filed to: None

Want a cheaper version of the Viper using the Hellcat engine?

Hell, I'd kill for a $50000 coupe that used the 392 engine too.

DISCUSSION (23)

For Sweden > GhostZ
07/02/2014 at 18:34

Viper

No V10

Opposite Locksmith > For Sweden
07/02/2014 at 18:39

gotta be a v10.... And I doubt they would make a cheaper version making 60 more horses than the 100k viper

CRider > GhostZ
07/02/2014 at 18:44

WEll yes and no: On the one hand, 700 HP supercharged V8 American Corvette comeptition? Hell yes. But a Viper needs a V10 engine. So i propose a better idea. Open up the current Viper engine to make closer to 700 HP, and then make a Super Viper with forced induction and over 1000 horsepower. Sell it for $200k and watch Christian von Koenigsegg cry his heart out.

GhostZ > For Sweden
07/02/2014 at 18:49

Call it the SRT Copperhead or something like that.

TheNeonDriver - Now with More BMW! > GhostZ
07/02/2014 at 18:50

They should make a baby viper with the hellcat engine, and then supercharge the V10, as mentioned before. Not sure about 1000hp though, maybe stop at 800something. 1000hp just seems... too... Hennessy. Let them handle 1000hp+ monsters.

GhostZ > TheNeonDriver - Now with More BMW!
07/02/2014 at 18:59

"Too hennessy" should never be a complaint.

JGrabowMSt > CRider
07/02/2014 at 19:02

I don't think he would though. His cars are known for being respectable, and mild-mannered under normal conditions. And they're a lot cooler.

No Viper is 200k money. The build quality simply isn't there. Chrysler wont step up to carbon fiber to compete with Koenigsegg. Not in this lifetime, especially now that Benz is no longer in the picture.

I mean, just look at the build quality difference from the 2005 Neon to the 2005 Charger/Challenger/Magnum. Benz influenced the quality, and now Chrysler has to uphold it. Benz didn't want to touch the econobox, just cut costs. That's why second gen Neons rust from the inside out, and the LX platform (outside of extreme examples) doesn't have a spec of rust under it.

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > GhostZ
07/02/2014 at 19:07

I'd love it too. It would be $70-80K given that the carbon hood is at least 10k. The problem is, the 5.7, 6.1, 6.4 Hemi is too wide to fit in there.

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > GhostZ
07/02/2014 at 19:08

The world should make Hennessy's work harder.

GhostZ > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
07/02/2014 at 19:09

Is it? I thought the V10 was based on the same architecture, or is there something on the 5.7 that makes it too wide? The viper is already as wide as the challenger.

Nobi > GhostZ
07/02/2014 at 19:11

Kinja'd!!!

yes, please.

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > GhostZ
07/02/2014 at 19:28

From what I've read, the Hellcat is too wide and too tall for the Viper. Also, I remember reading that the starter was in the wrong location or something like that for the NA Hemis. I'm not sure exactly what the Viper block was based on. People say the V8 of the time, but that's not really true. Dodge worked with Lamborghini to develop the aluminum block. So, while some aspects of the architecture might have remained, with advancements and collaboration it's safe to say it's a unique block.

GhostZ > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
07/02/2014 at 19:46

I just looked it back up to refresh my memory, I was wrong, the V10 is based off of the Magnum V10, which is an evolution of the old LA block, widened to allow for larger displacements. It has to be some peripheral that won't fit next to the wheel well, though, because the 5.7 is based off the original B block, which are technically larger. I can't find any actual estimates on width though for the engines...

Height? I can totally understand that. The blower would have to stick out of the viper's hood.

Spoon II > GhostZ
07/02/2014 at 19:49

If anyone would do it, it's Chrysler. They did make the Superbee after all, a stripped out Charger that was faster and cheaper than the SRT. It's a permanent addition to my want list.

Zoom > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
07/02/2014 at 19:49

The original Viper architecture was LA small block. It was a 318 LA with 2 cylinders grafted on (the back half of 1-2 and the front half of 3-4 got the graft). They actually shared pistons and rods. Although it was cast as a 'wet sleeve' block. Lamborghini was the only manufacturer in the world back then that mass produced aluminum blocks, so parent company Chrysler naturally used it's own resources to cast the resulting block in aluminum, while sharing Single Board Engine Control with Lamborghini, which had a disaster of an EFI computer.

I believe that block was significantly changed for the GenII Viper/GTS in '96 to a dry sleeve.

GhostZ > Spoon II
07/02/2014 at 20:01

I'm always surprised at how many Superbees are actually on the road. Buyers know what they want, that, or superbee owners actually DRIVE their cars.

desertdog5051 > GhostZ
07/02/2014 at 20:05

There was an article today with a statement from one of the engineers who said the Hemi engine will not fit in the Viper chassis without extensive mods. Not likely to happen in the near future.

"There's more news with this announcement, though. Like the Track Key that Ford offered on the Mustang Boss 302 , the Challenger SRT Hellcat will also come with two key fobs – one red, one black. The former allows the driver to unleash the full 707 hp, while the black key limits its holder to just – just – 500 horsepower and an as-yet undisclosed amount of torque. When we half-jokingly asked Reid when we would see this engine in the Viper , Reid would only say "It would require a ton of engineering." Bummer. We've previously heard that the engine is too wide, so we wouldn't bet on such a model seeing the light of day, especially when it would probably embarrass the car's current ten-cylinder offering".

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/01/201…

PushToStart > GhostZ
07/02/2014 at 20:59

SRT Water Moccassin.

Sn210 > GhostZ
07/02/2014 at 21:04

like this guy?

Kinja'd!!!

CRider > JGrabowMSt
07/02/2014 at 23:17

This is the 2014 Viper we're talking about, right? Not the 1999 Viper R/T? Of course it's not going to be carbon fiber for $200k, Koenigseggs cost a million dollars and I'm not even sure if they're profitable at that price. But the only difference between a $100k Porsche 911 Cerrera S and a $200k Porsche 911 Turbo S is the engine. I don't see why the Viper can't do one better.

JGrabowMSt > CRider
07/02/2014 at 23:52

It's not really meant to. It's like asking why a $100k Porsche still can't have a bigger engine. What's stopping them from using a V8? There are plenty of engines that fit, every LS swap is evidence.

The Viper is a V10, and it's meant to be as bonkers as it can be without breaking the bank. To make the Viper break the bank, regardless of the power plant, is against what it was built for.

Doesn't matter what Viper at all...the new one might not try to kill the owner/driver as bad as the original, but that's only because time has taught man how to wrangle with the Vipers V10.

CRider > JGrabowMSt
07/03/2014 at 00:27

There would be a legion of Porsche fanatics storming Stuttgart with pitchforks and torches if they put a V8 in the 911. Further, the LS v8 is a very compact OHV design- or pushrod. A DOHC V8 as Porsche would probably be more willing to use, would not fit.

Second, the new Viper costs over $100k and the GTS over $120k. I think they already broke the bank. Giving the option of a faster, more expensive one wouldn't take away the 'normal' Viper option, it would just allow you to do what the aftermarket has done for years, but properly with a factory warranty.

The new one is the most civilized Viper ever. It can compete with any car in it's price range, all things considered. It's not a Porsche inside, but the Porsche isn't a Viper mechanically. It's a different car. It's a beast, as powerful monster. Giving it some turbos would only make it more Viper-y.

jdrgoat - Ponticrack? > Zoom
07/05/2014 at 00:59

Lamborghini was not the only manufacturer in the world that mass produced aluminum blocks at that time. Chrysler didn't have experience, Lamborghini did have experience, and Chrysler happened to own Lamborghini.

The Rover V8, aluminum block and heads, was originally designed by Buick for the 1960 model year. Rover used it from 1967-2006. I know there are a lot more examples of mass produced aluminum block automotive engines, but I just wanted to point this out.