New GT3 RS (991) leaked through scale model apparently

"Fred (FreddsterExprs)" (freddsterexprs)
06/18/2014 at 15:51 • Filed to: Porsche, 911, 991, GT3, RS, leak

The most notable changes seem to be outlets on the front quarter, Turbo-style inlets in the rear and the lack of typical stickers/graphics. A new direction apparently, maybe even a turbo engine if the rumours are true.

DISCUSSION (100)

Soloburrito > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 15:57

Kinja'd!!!

Saracen > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:08

if it had turbos, it would be a GT2.

McChiken116 - Patrick H. > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:22

-insert krieger "stop, I can only get so erect" gif here-

Fred (FreddsterExprs) > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 16:23

My exact thought, but the rumor mill claims 600+hp turbo engines. Maybe the GT2 will be obsolete and rendered useless if they really decide to build a car above the 991?

Burningman1228 > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:29

Gentlemen, how can we make the 911 faster???

moar vents!!

Gabor Vajda (@Gabor_V) > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:30

Trying to get my facts right, but isn't a turbocharged 911 GT car a GT2 by definition?

asbsvc > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 16:32

Or they could focus on (gasp) something other than horsepower and keep it naturally aspirated. Such as:

-steering feel

-lightweight

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 16:33

On the face of it, I would agree, but times they may be a-changin'.

Twonius > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:34

Considering the spy shots a few weeks ago of a turbo running the Nurburgring with batteries in the back my guess is hybrid system.

I'm probably wrong but I'm staking my flag here.

marimvibe, new packaging, same great taste > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:35

NA engines need air, too...

Maybe it just has a larger engine and bigger radiators?

BeaterGT > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:36

Turbo all the things, the marketing teams and bean counters must love this.

Saracen > asbsvc
06/18/2014 at 16:37

Oh trust me, I much prefer that.

I'm just saying, Porsche tends to stick to their traditional nomenclatures....in this case, the GT3 is always the hardcore stripped down naturally aspirated car, and the GT2 is almost the exact same car, with turbos bolted to it.

Audi-os, Amigos! > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:39

Kinja'd!!!

Those are for the intercoolers, yeah?

Saracen > Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius
06/18/2014 at 16:39

I would be surprised if Porsche broke with their traditional nomenclature and put turbos in a GT3.

Saracen > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:39

The only rumor mill I've seen indicates a 500hp+ naturally aspirated motor and possibly the option for a proper manual gearbox.

JLZ06 > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 16:40

This is correct.

velyse > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:41

GT2, maybe. Not a GT3. The distinction between the two being the turbochargers.

Dr.Kamiya > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 16:42

It stopped being a true "GT3" when Porsche cheaped out and went with A91 instead of the Mezger engine.

IMO one of the huge appeals behind the GT3/GT2 was that they were approximate road-going versions of racecars built to the rules behind their nameplates. Almost, but not-quite homologation specials, if you will. Sadly, the beancounters figured out that they can save about ~$30k on each car by NOT using the Mezger, and so now we have a "GT3" that has very little to do with the actual Cup car.

Chevrolet is making a very similar mistake with the new Z06, which used to be road-going versions of the C5R/C6R.

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06/18/2014 at 16:44

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Admiral Asskicker > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 16:45

I believe it is more ingrained than that, correct me if I am wrong, but the old GT3 class required NA engines, while the GT2 class allowed forced induction.

PoopThrower > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:45

Does this mean no GT2? :(

E86S54 > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 16:45

Those vents could possibly be for cooling of a hybrid boost system. The 997 GT3 RSR Hybrid had similar vents when it debuted and the final version of the 997 GT3 RSR also sported those vents even though it didn't have the hybrid boost. Just because they are vents does not mean they are for intercoolers. They could also possibly be intakes for cold air to the motor if they are not cooling for a hybrid drive system. Note how it doesn't have the normal intakes on top of the engine deck lid like all previous GT3s? Alot guys with Big HP 996/997 turbos move the engine air intakes into that area because it is the most effective area to get cold air.

Saracen > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:46

Also, if you're referring to the inlets ahead of the fenders, those have never been turbo inlets. They are for intercoolers....or in this case, they could be for extra radiators. The turbos breathe through the engine cover.

Kinja'd!!!

maximum_sarge > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:46

They may be naturally aspirated air vents; It's possible that massive wing takes away a bit of the air otherwise directed around the engine area, so the side inlets may be necessary... just a guess.

I doubt anything but a GT2 would have turbos?

Manuél Ferrari > Dr.Kamiya
06/18/2014 at 16:47

And BMW doesn't make bespoke M engines anymore :(

Damn you bean counters!!!

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 16:47

Yup. But I wonder if with economy standards there isn't a day when virtually everything they sell has a turbo in one form or another. I agree, if it has them, it ought to be the GT2. Perhaps, through just vicious rumor, this time the GT2 comes to market before the 3. All speculation.

What I really wish the old GT ladder still rang true today. GT1 monsters, GT2 big guns in a factory body, GT3 closer to road form, GT4 amateur class.

TheWrathofKamm > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 16:49

:Grumble Grumble: Turbos belong in GT2s not the GT3 :Grumble Grumble:

Scrumptious > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:49

Sex. Pure sex.

caddyshack > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:52

Negative.

The Air ducts are there for extra cooling of the motor, trans, and rear brakes. I've even heard tell of providing extra down-force at speed, but that's is just internet speculation.

No turbos on the RS yet...

The same vents are found on the RSR..

Kinja'd!!!

Black 996 > Burningman1228
06/18/2014 at 16:53

It's a GT3 RS. The ductwork is for brakes and possibly downforce in the front, and there are no snorkels on the rear wing.

AudiB5Hawaii > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:53

Is it me or are these "APR/GTC/VOLTEX" wings just not good looking. I am sure they are functional to a certain extent but I miss the days when wings blended into the car instead of this "scaffolding" tacked on look.

marimvibe, new packaging, same great taste > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:54

Wait...what's the source? Is it possibly a GT2 model mislabeled?

BZiel > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:54

Or, it could just be a die-cast model of something that will never exist.

Just sayin.

ethanheisler > Twonius
06/18/2014 at 16:55

Considering how many 911 variants there are I don't think they would remove a stalwart. Hybrid is just a matter of time though.

tooslowtomove > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 16:56

I agree. Folks seem to forget high power, high compression NA's require lots of air too.

CRider > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 16:57

I wouldn't be surprised if they turned the GT3 into a turbocharged, PDK-only car. It's what sells. More power, more PDK, more faster, more money.

RelentlessSlacker > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 17:00

They could be engine air inlets for an NA engine, for brake cooling, or something else. Or it's a GT2. I can't imagine the GT3 would be NA and the GT3 RS would be turbocharged. Maybe the GT3 will go turbo in the future but not now.

stevethecurse > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 17:00

A new GT3 RS should have an NA flat 6 that revs to 120000000 and a KERS system. Leave forced induction to the GT2.

Saracen > Admiral Asskicker
06/18/2014 at 17:02

GT3 = no engine limits, but are basically limited to track-prepped road cars.

GT2 = full bore race cars, barely made streetworthy for homologation.

Considering this, the only 911 GT2 that was a "true" GT2 car was the 993 GT2.

Kinja'd!!!

mcseanerson > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 17:05

Please stop, first the Z06 now this, quit ruining my purist fantasies.

Stephen > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 17:06

Looks like the GT2 to me as well.

Stephen > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 17:09

The only reason it indicates as a GT3 is the center exhaust outlet only found on the GT3 and not GT2. Not in this toy model, but in all the spy shots of a 991 with side inlets and center exhaust.

Kinja'd!!!

Twonius > ethanheisler
06/18/2014 at 17:09

A flywheel system like they ran in the racecars would be pretty awesome.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 17:10

It could be the turbocharged, RWD GT2.

Or those turbo ducts could be re-purposed for enlarged engine and transaxle/diff oil coolers, rather than turbocharger compressed air intercoolers.

9brghtn4 > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 17:13

It's the GT2 RS, 700hp.

Saracen > Stephen
06/18/2014 at 17:14

Yep, there is also that.

dmcspeedy > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 17:15

Kinja'd!!!

It's a GT3 front clip, and historically the GT3 and RS share that. The GT2 gets a different one.

biturboism, the cult > asbsvc
06/18/2014 at 17:18

Kinja'd!!!

I feel ya, mate.

The day they lengthened the wheelbase to "accommodate a possible hybrid setup" and announced there will only be a 4-wheel-steering, DSG GT3 is the day I realized they've moved on. There are economic forces at play which are the sole reason we got honest and analogue 911's in the first place. So, don't fight it, it's no use.

Burningman1228 > Black 996
06/18/2014 at 17:23

get out of here with your logic! This is the comments section!

Pdb > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 17:24

At this point, GT2 is purely a Porsche naming thing. There hasnt been an FIA GT2 championship or rules set since 2010. Only GT1 and GT3 have specs and homologations at the moment. Love the armchair input on this thread, though ;-)

Axial > tooslowtomove
06/18/2014 at 17:27

Which is why forced induction was invented in the first place! :D

472CID > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 17:31

There's only been 3 generations of GT2s and only the first gen is the only "true" one? OK

I guess the 930 was the only "true" turbo then too?

472CID > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 17:32

Kinja'd!!!

Dem vents, intriguing.

Matt Kirsch > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 17:34

I firmly believe that this is the gt3 rs. Unless Porsche did some major exhaust tuning, this sounds like the gt3 engine to me... unmufflered/unturboed, high revving porsche flat 6 goodness. Ignore the video title. They saw the vents and assumed gt2; the porsche community is convinved that this is the gt3.

Black 996 > Burningman1228
06/18/2014 at 17:34

rgt881 > biturboism, the cult
06/18/2014 at 17:36

No one out there who has driven the car has had anything negative to say about 4 wheel steering or steering wheel. The development of electric assisted steering has matched the steering feel of hydraulic set-ups. Renault Megane 275 Cup has electric steering and journalists are amazed just how much feel flows through it. 911 GT3 has been able to achieve the same. Otherwise, it's all just of nostalgic malarkey. However, I hope we never see a day of a 911 hybrid variant. That would be a step too far.

Tom924 > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 17:42

It's not really in Porsche's MO to actually REDUCE the number of 911 models

Matt Kirsch > PoopThrower
06/18/2014 at 17:44

I don't think we'll see a gt2. Porsche said that a gt2 would make too much power for a rwd application

Ricky Weston > asbsvc
06/18/2014 at 17:58

May I be so bold as to add the following:

—driving experience

—car character/personality

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 18:03

That's what I'm saying...this same source tried to say they really thought the GT3 RS would be turbo'd a couple months back, and I thought that was stupid then too. GT2s are literally GT3s with the engine from a Turbo. I don't see what they don't get about that.

And if I'm wrong...then Porsche has some serious explaining to do.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > asbsvc
06/18/2014 at 18:03

The GT3 certainly does not suffer in either category but agreed it makes no sense for the "GT3" to be FI.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Dr.Kamiya
06/18/2014 at 18:05

Well this new "fake" GT3 is quicker around a track according to an owner (and soon to be Autocar) than a 458 S and is probably the finest driver's car ever made...so...there's that. I get what you're saying...but it's objectively one of the best cars in the world, having a modern engine finally doesn't take anything away from that in my mind.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > biturboism, the cult
06/18/2014 at 18:06

Everyone who's driven one says it's easily one of the finest driver's cars ever made, so I don't see it as a bad thing at all.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 18:06

Good point...I was going to say something like this. I can easily see the RS needing more cooling.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > CRider
06/18/2014 at 18:07

I would...that car would be called the GT2...which would sell for more and make them more money.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Gabor Vajda (@Gabor_V)
06/18/2014 at 18:07

Yes, that's why I think this is crazy to think this is the new RS

saabstory | fixes bikes, breaks cars > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 18:08

This is so sexy.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Matt Kirsch
06/18/2014 at 18:09

That doesn't sound turbo'd to me at all. Sounds just like the GT3...sounds nothing like the Turbo/S.

Zestie16 > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 18:16

Kinja'd!!!

Roll Cage bars. Only present on GT2 RS and GT3 RS models.

Saracen > 472CID
06/18/2014 at 18:17

The first GT2 was the only GT2 that is a direct homologation of the 993 GT2 class race car. The 996 and 997 GT2/GT2RS models are not racing homologations...they are track worthy street cars, but have no direct relation to any Porsche race cars.

Jon James > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 18:19

Can we get a 911 with 918's V8? would it fit? Cooling? Cost? Please porsche.

Saracen > Jon James
06/18/2014 at 18:21

I recall they are considering a midengined supercar with the 4.6L V8, minus the 918's hybrid systems.

CRider > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/18/2014 at 18:23

The GT2 will still have more power and cost even more money. It's all about tiered performance and price. Pay more, get more.

Jon James > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 18:24

Would it be all new or something like the way mclaren uses the mp4 chassis? Imagine that in a caymen.

Saracen > Jon James
06/18/2014 at 18:32

Yeah, it would be a 918 chassis with new bodywork, and would compete with the McLaren 650S. Set to be called the 961.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > CRider
06/18/2014 at 18:34

My point is basically there is no such thing as a turbo GT3. That would just be silly.

Jon James > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 18:39

Kinja'd!!!

Sooooo this is off topic but whats the word on the Panamera Sport Turismo concept. I need, for me to live in peace, for them to replace the Panamera with the concept.

Nintondo-San > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 18:41

Kinja'd!!!

Just want to point out that the 991 RSR has air intakes here as well, but it is not turbocharged. Just because it has some extra cooling DOES NOT mean it has turbos.

will > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 18:48

How can you not see that this is a bad chop, you should be fired

472CID > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 18:50

Meh, the fist Z/28 was a homologation car, but nobody really considers the subsequent Z/28s to be imposters. I guess one could get hung up on those definitions, but I doubt Porsche cares much.

Eric > Nintondo-San
06/18/2014 at 19:32

Porsche's been openly considering 1. turbocharged GT3 RS and 2. killing the GT2. I guess this leaked model kills two birds with a stone.

BilllMurraysBoot! > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 20:01

Not that I would ever turn it down if someone were offering; but I kind of prefer it like this (please excuse the not so great photoshoppery)

Kinja'd!!!

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06/18/2014 at 20:33

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dapanguin > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 21:00

That's gotta be a GT2.

NOTICE! The lack of any visible roll cage that have marked the last GT3 RS models.

NOTICE! The distinct lack of decals or wonky coloring.

NOTICE! It's turbocharged.

ThatbastardKurtis > Manuél Ferrari
06/18/2014 at 21:14

Counters of beans should be hanged from the gallows every Friday at noon. Beancounter Friday this day shall be called. And rejoicing everywhere shall be heard.

ThatbastardKurtis > Saracen
06/18/2014 at 21:18

Or 960.

Doppelkupplung > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 21:39

Kinja'd!!!

The 911 RSR has the rear ducts as well so the rear ducts seen above aren't for turbos. It is just taking race car design to the street version.

Doppelkupplung > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 21:42

Kinja'd!!!

911 RSR has rear ducts for cooling. It is the same with this. NA engines need cooling too.

I lurk the greys for fun > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
06/18/2014 at 22:13

Give it to me NOAW

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06/18/2014 at 22:27

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Manuél Ferrari > ThatbastardKurtis
06/18/2014 at 22:36

Here here!

I support this.

Bring back the product centric CEOs. They shall relegate the bean counters to the cubicles where they belong.

Fred (FreddsterExprs) > Nintondo-San
06/18/2014 at 22:38

True, but the stock GT3 doesn't need air intakes. I assume a hotter version of the same engine, the traditional RS setup, wouldn't require them either.

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06/18/2014 at 23:00

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Nintondo-San > Eric
06/18/2014 at 23:11

Show me where Porsche openly stated this.

Wrong 'Em Boyo > Saracen
06/19/2014 at 00:03

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06/19/2014 at 00:31

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Dylan > Stephen
06/19/2014 at 01:29

Those side inlets are just stickers, the prototype 991s all had them! even in base model!

Also why do scoops automatically mean intercoolers, the 911 RSR has them and its naturally aspirated, maybe the GT3 RS will simply be a little more like the RSR the way it used to be!

Stephen > Dylan
06/19/2014 at 01:50

Might have posted the wrong one. See here

Kinja'd!!!

Eric > Nintondo-San
06/19/2014 at 02:15

Ugh, just Google it. Giving the GT3 turbos due to engine fires and killing the GT2 for no reason, they said its future is uncertain.

biturboism, the cult > rgt881
06/19/2014 at 03:06

I completely agree with you. I wanted to reflect that the simplicity of the analogue 911s is a very big part of their character. Ever since the 996 this changed gradually, and I was ignorant enough not to realize the old days are gone. Now that the 991 came out, the reality hit me hard.

But I'm convinced they never stopped being one of the best drivers' cars available.