I'll take 320i for $39,820

"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno) 06/17/2014 at 00:46 • Filed to: None

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What's that magical package code combo? ZPS+ZMT=Fun!

Or in other words, Sport Package and Manual Transmission.

I'm determined to one day buy a BMW and do the European delivery experience. That just seems so cool.

Unless of course they stop doing it by then. Which with my luck, by the time I could afford a new BMW, they would.

gawdzillla > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 00:50

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so many things i'd rather have than a 2.0 4 cylinder for 40k

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > gawdzillla 06/17/2014 at 00:51

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The only things that I can think of are the V8 pony cars.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 00:53

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A nice Ram 2500 with the 5.9 Cummins and NV5600 and a Miata.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 06/17/2014 at 00:54

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I was think new but ok...

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 00:54

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for 40K, I'd rather have a Stage 2 Golf R....

Saracen > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 00:54

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If the 320i was available when I was buying I probably would have sprung for a ZMT. The 328i was just more than I wanted to pay with any decent options.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power 06/17/2014 at 00:55

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That doesn't sound like a reliability nightmare AT ALL.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Saracen 06/17/2014 at 00:56

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I know it's considered the "entry level" 3-series, but it's the most attractive to me in terms of price and performance. That engine is way underrated.

Saracen > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 00:58

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You have to check the cam follower every 10k miles (15 minute job and a $40 part), but Stage 2 doesn't really affect reliability.

Saracen > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power 06/17/2014 at 00:58

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for $40k you can go stage 2, and a nice set of wheels and coilovers.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 00:58

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Yeah, well maybe, but I'd rather have a 350hp hatchback that has AWD for that money

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Saracen 06/17/2014 at 00:59

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Or balls to the wall, put a K04 on there, and get a 430hp beast of a hatchback!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power 06/17/2014 at 01:02

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More power than my dad's Silverado going through a Haldex AWD system that has a standard front bias. That doesn't sound like my cup 'o tea.

Saracen > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power 06/17/2014 at 01:03

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The Golf R already has a K04...at least mine does.

Saracen > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:03

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my 300hp Golf R sure doesn't feel like FWD to me..

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Saracen 06/17/2014 at 01:04

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I said it had a front bias. It can move the power to the back wheels if need be.

Saracen > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:05

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What I'm saying is, the handling is surprisingly neutral. It does push, sure but it feels easy to get it to rotate. Especially with Stage 2 ESC defeat.

Now ESC defeat + the HPA Competition Haldex controller = power-on oversteering Hoonmobile.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:06

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I'm fairly certain there's a way to change it to a more RWD biased system. I've heard a few people doing it... And that sounds like fun! I'd rather be planted and understeer than Oversteer. Having had a few bad experiences with oversteer in a car with my dad, I've grown to dislike it a bit...

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Saracen 06/17/2014 at 01:07

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Really? Why does APR offer it as an upgrade on Golf R's then...?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Saracen 06/17/2014 at 01:07

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And what I'm saying is 300+ horsepower AWD hatchback just aren't my cup 'o tea. Especially when they carry the infamous VW reliability trait around with them.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power 06/17/2014 at 01:08

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I'd rather be able to power oversteer out of something than understeer into a ditch almost. Ask me how I learned what my preference is.

DipodomysDeserti > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:19

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Thats an extremely ignorant statement to make when defending a BMW.

-BMW owner

DipodomysDeserti > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:21

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It is not underrated, it's a 180hp 2.0L turbo, which is pathetic. It's an anemic engine. Get a CPO 335i for $8k lesss.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > DipodomysDeserti 06/17/2014 at 01:21

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Funny, my aunt's '08 328i convertible has gone 6 years with only standard maintenance.

My girlfriend's dad has a '97 328i that hasn't had any issues in it's life.

My aunt's old '04 325ic never had any issues either.

If you take care of it it'll work just fine.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > DipodomysDeserti 06/17/2014 at 01:24

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EVERY BMW engine is underrated from the factory.

Please tell me how it does 0-60 in 6.7 seconds with only 180 horsepower.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:29

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Oh...Then a new Cummins 2500 4x4 with a 6 speed.

Saracen > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:30

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Because BMW reliability is SO much better.

DipodomysDeserti > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:30

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How would it not? 0-60 in 6.7 is slow. Abarth has 160hp, weighs a few hundred lbs less, and does it in 6.8. My 335d weighs a few hundred lbs more, has 85 more hp a few hundred more torques and does it in 6s.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Saracen 06/17/2014 at 01:31

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From the experiences the BMW owners in my family have had, yes.

Saracen > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power 06/17/2014 at 01:32

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Stage 2 ESC + HPA competition controller = power oversteering Golf R.

Saracen > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power 06/17/2014 at 01:33

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APR does not offer a K04 turbo for the Golf R. They offer it for the GTI.

APR's Stage 3 turbo for the Golf R is quite a bit bigger than a K04. Loba has a mild turbo upgrade that is slightly bigger than a K04 and utilizes the stock manifold and exhaust.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Saracen 06/17/2014 at 01:34

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ahh, ok, thank you for clearing that up for me! The more you know... :)

Saracen > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:35

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Well likewise I have put 200,000+ miles on VAG cars over the last ten years and I have had very good reliability. Then again, I always keep my cars well maintained.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > DipodomysDeserti 06/17/2014 at 01:35

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Not every car has to have a sub 6-second 0-60. It's a base model. The cheap one.

That few hundred pounds in the Abarth should make up more than .1 second. Pretty sad when a performance model is slower than a base model 3-series.

Of course a 335d is gonna be faster! It has like triple the torques this has! That's more than plenty to make up for the weight difference!

DipodomysDeserti > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:39

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There are plenty of BMWs with issues despite the three people you know who didn't have any.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > DipodomysDeserti 06/17/2014 at 01:41

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Because people think they can run them like you run a Civic. They take a special kind of attention to run for a long time. Like, yes they say you can go 8,000 miles between oil changes, but that's would be stupid to do quite honestly.

DipodomysDeserti > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:44

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What are you talking about? The Abarth is a cheap $18k car with 160hp. It's a fiat. I wasn't comparing them as cars. If a 2500 lb car with 160hp can do 0-60 in 6.8s, then it stands to reason that a 3500lb car with 180 hp and a twin scroll turbo can do it in 6.7. For the record, I also own a 335d which is a diesel that does 0-60 in 6s and is not a performance car.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > DipodomysDeserti 06/17/2014 at 01:46

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THE ABARTH IS NOT $18K. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THAT NUMBER!?

IT'S ALMOST $22K!

DipodomysDeserti > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:49

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Are you high? Have you been to a BMW dealership lately? No one buying a new BMW would try to "run it like a civic". Also, you get free maintainence. Brakes and everything for 5/50k. You're not making any sense. And have you seen how many computer gizmos the new bimmers have? The 328i I had didn't didn't even have a dipstick. Everything was electronic. No mount of maintenance can prevent German electronics from taking a shit.

DipodomysDeserti > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:52

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I'm getting the number from what me and lots of other people paid for them. There was a place selling them as low as $16 after I bought mine. Pro Tip: you don't pay what the manufacturers website tells you to when buying a new car.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > DipodomysDeserti 06/17/2014 at 01:52

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Here's how I feel about it. If you're going to bitch about keepup on a German car, DONT BUY A FUCKING GERMAN CAR.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > DipodomysDeserti 06/17/2014 at 01:53

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Pro Tip: I'm not a fucking idiot. Piss off.

DipodomysDeserti > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:56

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I'm not "bitching". I was just pointing out that As a BMW owner, BMWs are not any more reliable than any other German automobile. My maintenance is still free for one year so I'm gtg.

DipodomysDeserti > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 01:57

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Roger that, Logan.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > DipodomysDeserti 06/17/2014 at 01:59

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You know what you fucker. You've done nothing but pester me about LITERALLY EVERYTHING YOU COMMENT ON that's mine. How about you just stay the fuck away from any post I make, k? Because I am REALLY tired of your shit.

PS9 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 04:50

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...why are there a bazillion replies to this? Is this how easy it's become to start a shitstorm around here?

"Hey guys, here's the car I'd buy for fourty k-"

"FUCK YOU AND EVERYONE LIKE YOU THAT'S A PIECE OF SHIT"
"El-oh-el teh recallz!"
"No way, I could get a used viper for that."
"40 Miatas!"

* Article gets FP'd for teh lolz, then explodes with 1M views and 2k more comments*

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PS9 06/17/2014 at 04:55

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That's about what it broke down to...

BKRM3 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 06:25

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You do realize you could get an E90 M3 with some miles on it for 40 grand? Four cylinder? No.

theloudmouth > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 06:39

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Same power with more torque than my dad's engaging as all hell E46, needless to say plenty for a daily.

.... If this had the E46 chassis, steering, weight, dynamics, etc..... So sad.

Nugmast3r > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 10:23

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I got my old e90 328i xDrive loaded for 44k. This does not seem like an enticing prospect. I did the smart thing and replaced it with an e34 m5... Dat s38

GeorgeyBoy > theloudmouth 06/17/2014 at 14:35

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Have you drove it?

theloudmouth > GeorgeyBoy 06/17/2014 at 14:38

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Have I driven it?

Yes.

GeorgeyBoy > theloudmouth 06/17/2014 at 14:46

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I must be an odd one to actually prefer it over the E46.

theloudmouth > GeorgeyBoy 06/17/2014 at 22:59

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The steering at the limit legitimately worries me. The only way to tell you're scrubbing in the front or all four is the audible note. As a daily it's just fine, as a performer dressed up in a presentable package I felt it lacking sorely.

It missed the one thing all E30, E36, E46, and E9X BMW's had always had for me, when I got to where I was going I was happy to get there and stop, rather than just keep on driving with a giant, stupid grin on my face (for comparison I drove an E90 328i my dealer also had on CPO and confirmed hands down, to me, it was far and beyond the superior driver).