I don't get all the hype of the Ecoboost stang

"camaroboy68ss" (camaroboy68ss)
06/13/2014 at 17:44 • Filed to: 2015 Mustang

I guess I'm old school when I think for the little extra change get the 5.0. I just dont see the appeal. Ive grown up in and around nothing but V8 cars. everything else just never feels right. even my moms new BMW X3 with its twin turbos feels slow and not as pleasant experiace than one of my V8 cars. I feel many people will buy the Ecoboost then regret not getting the 5.0. I could be wrong but so far nothing has given me the feeling I don't need a V8

DISCUSSION (41)

ly2v8-Brian > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 17:46

I'm not entirely convinced on the stang as a whole.

Nibbles > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 17:47

The one thing that appeals to me about the EcoBoost is that I live at elevation and routinely go much higher up. Traveling from 6,000 ft to 11,000 ft and back down on a fairly regular basis, the ability to generate my own atmosphere appeals to me

But if we buy, we'll likely go with a GT anyway :)

 V8 Rustler > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 17:48

They'll regret not having the V8 music.

camaroboy68ss > ly2v8-Brian
06/13/2014 at 17:49

I'm not either I personally hate the look of the car. I wasn't as disappointed as the new Vette. I'd rather have a burned up Camaro right now

Jayhawk Jake > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 17:52

it's not just a little extra change. Trim for trim it's about $6000 more. That's like 25% more expensive

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 17:52

Ive grown up in and around nothing but V8 cars.

THIS. This is why. I started with and still drive a 4-cylinder car, albeit turbocharged now. The other cars I've grown up with are V6 and Flat-6, therefore the most engine I think I'll ever need is Flat-6. I don't think it's being old-school or even an A'Murican stereotype(even though you didn't say that I will :P) it's simply what you're use to.

But the Ecoboost Stang means the power of a V6 with the economy of a econobox(to an extent); and in today's world with gas prices the way they are, people will pay for the forced induction.

If it were me, I'd rather go V6 for the Mustang than Ecoboost, but I'd want a V8 overall.

Brian, The Life of > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 17:52

The EcoBoost Mustang and the GT are likely going to be two very different cars for very different buyers. I can see the EcoBoost being a fantastic track car. Looking forward to the detail comparos.

Saracen > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 17:53

a Mustang that doesn't make thunderous V8 noises just isn't right, in my book.

T5Killer > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 17:55

Turbo cars are fun with a very very broad power band. A x3 isn't a good indication of a fun turbo car. Plus if you live at any where you have altitude over sea level a turbo car will lose less HP than a NA car. (BTW I am a 5.0 Mustang owner for 16 years would if I do get a 15 it will be a ecoboost) P

lonestranger > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 17:57

"Old School"

Kinja'd!!!

camaroboy68ss > Jayhawk Jake
06/13/2014 at 18:07

Yeah more money up front but say you keep it through the huge depreciation of being a new car what's going to be worth more and recover better? Your never going to get back what you spent but what car is going to be closer to the mark. From all my dealings with vintage muscle cars it will always be whatever is V8 powered.

GhostZ > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 18:27

Because in some universe, the Ecoboost was supposed to have ~300HP but weigh 200lbs less than the V6 (and 400lbs less than the GT) and have better handling and track performance than the GT, power nonwithstanding, like the old SVO.

That universe is not this universe however, and none of that is now true.

Saracen > T5Killer
06/13/2014 at 18:29

Oh, because the 5.0 doesn't have a broad power band? =P

And while the turbo car will lose less horsepower, the GT starts with over %33 more power to begin with...so even at altitude it will be quicker.

roflcopter > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 18:29

Part of why everyone is so excited about the EcoBoost 4, whether they know it or not, is that it's essentially a revival of the original SVO Mustang. There has only been one turbo-4 Mustang in the past, and it was quite the little car. I think that with a bit of tuning this car will easily be putting down more power than the v8 counterpart and that's with very little cost comparatively to upgrading the v8 and it will always be more efficient. Long live the 2.3 Mustang!

Reigntastic > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 18:29

The V8 owners will regret the EcoBoost only needing a stage 1 tune to be faster and lighter.

Reigntastic > Saracen
06/13/2014 at 18:30

Give the EcoBoost a tune and watch that advantage in power disappear.

Reigntastic > lonestranger
06/13/2014 at 18:31

Seriously, does nobody remember the Foxbody SVO?

Garrett Davis > Saracen
06/13/2014 at 18:32

No one is saying that this turbo is better than the 5.0, he's just saying that turbo cars in general can be very fun.

camaroboy68ss > Reigntastic
06/13/2014 at 18:33

there was a showroom perfect one for sale locally for awhile. The price was just tick higher that ratty 5.0 fox. I bet someone bought it to V8 swap it.

Saracen > Reigntastic
06/13/2014 at 18:34

I doubt it. Especially when they hit the gas and get proper V8 music.

Reigntastic > Saracen
06/13/2014 at 18:38

Losing at the strip to a 4cyl will be sufficient. I won't debate that V8 Mustangs sound glorious, though.

Saracen > Reigntastic
06/13/2014 at 18:38

Too early to tell how much headroom the turbo has until the aftermarket gets a hold of it. The Coyote will output more than 420hp...don't expect just a tune to give a %40 horsepower gain. When you crank up the boost that much the turbo needs a backpressure reduction and improved cooling. Most likely you're looking at a tune, intake, a full 3 inch or 3.5 inch exhaust system in intercooler upgrade.

That will eliminate most of the Ecoboost's cost advantage, and a good part of its mileage benefit (though it will still be lighter).

And it will still never sound anywhere near as good.

PanchoVilleneuve ST > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 18:40

It us cursed youths.

We aren't nostalgic for the V8 muscle cars our parents were in love with. We're the Gran Turismo generation. We like our turbos. We like them a lot.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/13/2014 at 18:41

V8 V8 V8!!!

Reigntastic > Saracen
06/13/2014 at 18:41

I like intake/BOV noise, so that's entirely opinion. I also enjoy V8 music, though, just playing devil's advocate.

I would expect the tune alone to gain another 60hp at least, the cooling won't need to be upgraded to accommodate if the intercooler isn't dirt cheap from factory. Intake and exhaust to get the rest of the power is really standard fare in a typical turbo build, and not really very expensive at all. City mileage will be impacted, highway will not.

lonestranger > Reigntastic
06/13/2014 at 18:43

I just did the math, and the SVO is closer in age to the birth of the Mustang than it is to the current one.

So, yeah, if anyone complains that a new four-cylinder turbo Mustang is somehow disgraceful to the car's heritage, they can stuff it.

Kinja'd!!!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian, The Life of
06/13/2014 at 18:44

I think it's the opposite

The EcoBoost will be the more efficient DD (if you don't have a lead foot)

The V8 would be the better track car. You can track the crap out of the V8 on a hot summer day without worrying so much about the heat.

This is why the E9X M3 is a better track car than the E9X 335i despite the fact that the 335i can be tuned to be as fast as the M3.

Manuél Ferrari > PanchoVilleneuve ST
06/13/2014 at 18:44

Damn you Sony!

lone_liberal > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 18:44

I'm with you all the way, but there are those that like turbo fours and scoff at V8s. The ecoboost is for them, not for us right thinking people.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 18:45

My house has never had anything smaller than a 3.6 liter engine in the driveway, and I think that's why I like the EcoBoost so much. I'm tired of these big behemoth engines everything in my house has shoved under the hood. A small forced induction 4 is a change from the normal NA 6 or 8 cylinder engines I'm so used to.

Saracen > Reigntastic
06/13/2014 at 18:47

I like whooshing sounds too. I have put 200,000 miles on modified turbocharged four bangers in the last ten years. The whooshing is novel, but they groan and drone. They don't sound anywhere near as good.

"cooling won't need to be upgraded to accommodate if the intercooler isn't dirt cheap from factory"

The majority of factory intercoolers are designed to be "sufficient" for factory power. Pretty much any turbocharged car that sees that much of a power increase from an aftermarket upgrade will need improved cooling as to not suffer lots of heatsoak....especially if the Ecoboostang is going to see track time!! $1000 is not atypical.

Figure on a few hundred bucks for an intake. If you don't want your Mustang to drone like a Civic you can expect to spend $2-3k on a quality exhaust. guaranteed.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari
06/13/2014 at 19:21

You really want a 928 don't you. :P

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 19:44

I don't get the obsession with V8s. They make a good sound in most instances, but having a V8 is no guarantee of making more power, or being faster, than an I4T or a 6-cyl.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/13/2014 at 20:15

Correct!

Except I really want the yet to be released new 928 Turbo S

That would be AMAZING

I want Porsche to borrow the leather craftsmen from Bentley (hey they're corporate cousins now) and build a world-class interior.

And they need to offer a version with Senior Manuel, haha

V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 20:42

I can see the appeal of the ecoboost, but the V8 is more my flavor. Then again I'm talking as an extra car that wouldn't see DD duty. For me it'd be a car that would see a decent amount of modification, much like my current one.

BrianNutter > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 22:28

Wtf, next thing you'll be blabbing is a brown fwd diesel station wagon of European or Japanese decent isn't the most oppolopnistic thing evarrrr....

DipodomysDeserti > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 22:50

pretty sure the new X3s all have a single twin scroll turbo. BMW just likes confusing people by writing twin power on hue engine cover. If it's the X25i it is slow. A big heavy crossover with only 24ohp

Nothing > camaroboy68ss
06/13/2014 at 23:32

I don't think I'd buy the EB Stang, but I'm glad the option exists. Doesn't the V6 outsell the GT? I wouldn't take the 6 over the GT either. I briefly debated one when I purchased my ST as rebates on the V6 had the starting price at just under $20k.

camaroboy68ss > PanchoVilleneuve ST
06/13/2014 at 23:53

yeah that card don't work with me since I'm 22.

Jedidiah > camaroboy68ss
06/14/2014 at 00:55

People will argue about this for ages.

The only way to make suitable power is with cubic inches. It has been proven time and time again. Turbocharging or supercharging an engine increases an engines specific volume, thus increases power.

The larger engine will always be the more suitable to build up for performance as long as it has good cylinder heads. The more air you move through and engine, the more power you make. Bigger engines move more air. Imagine how much more power you'd make if you put the same size turbo on the V8.

Every turbocharged engine I've even seen has been a peaky, unenjoyable turd because they do not have smooth powerbands. On the other hand, supercharging raises the power curve, but does not interfere with broadness of the powerband. Unfortunately, it adds complexity and is detrimental to engine life.

At the end of the day, it is hard not to enjoy effortless power, smoothness, and simplicity of a big NA V8.

Mr. Sinister > camaroboy68ss
06/17/2014 at 11:21

Ford wants the Mustang to be relevant in Europe again, and the Turbo-4 is how they will do it.