What does Oppo think of the Turbo 458 rumours?

"Fred (FreddsterExprs)" (freddsterexprs)
05/30/2014 at 18:05 • Filed to: Ferrari Turbo. 458, Facelift

!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! reports that the facelifted 458 Italia will get a 3.8L V8 Turbo, similar to the update performed on the California. It is said to be called the 458M. What do you think, true?

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I can very well imagine that happening, simply because of F1. Ferrari loves the idea of transferring F1 into street cars, but when even the basic engine concept is different, it becomes rather hard to keep the illusion alive. Makes perfect sense, and the big cars still get to keep the NA V12s to set them further apart.

DISCUSSION (22)

macanamera > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
05/30/2014 at 18:07

Well, I'll tell you one thing, it will get faster. I don't think it will be a 3.8 though. In any case, it will make for some much needed low-end torque.

TheBaron2112 > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
05/30/2014 at 18:08

If true, it sounds like they're playing catch up to the boys from Woking.

Fred (FreddsterExprs) > macanamera
05/30/2014 at 18:08

The fact that it'll be faster is no question, everything else would be a shame for Ferrari.

3.8 sounds awfully close the the California T's 3.9 unit - coincidence? I think not.

PanchoVilleneuve ST > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
05/30/2014 at 18:08

The one thing I do know is people will keep talking about how beautiful it is and I still just won't see anything attractive about it.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
05/30/2014 at 18:09

Wouldn't that have to become the 380? Because Ferrari still follows a naming scheme that makes sense for it's mid-engine sports cars.

Fred (FreddsterExprs) > PanchoVilleneuve ST
05/30/2014 at 18:10

Totally. I completely agree. Especially the Speciale is hideous. I would much prefer a F430, but even more so a silver or blue 360. That was one hell of a beautiful car, unmistakeably Ferrari and very elegant if configured right (basically, any color that isn't red or yellow).

Fred (FreddsterExprs) > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
05/30/2014 at 18:12

Why change the name for a facelift? The 458 already has great attributes associated with it, I wouldn't want to destroy all of that. Also, the "M" would make sense - the last Testarossa was also called 512 M.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
05/30/2014 at 18:20

Because the 458 has a 4.5L V8, the 430 had a 4.3L V8, the 360 had a 3.6L V8, the 355 had a 3.5L V8, the 348 had a 3.4L V8, and all down the line. A new engine with a different displacement would mean an all new model. The 458 is 5 years old now, aka about time for a new car.

Fred (FreddsterExprs) > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
05/30/2014 at 18:37

5 years? Really? Seems less to me.

Anyways, should they decided to build a new car, than a new name is totally logical. But I heard that they are going for a facelift. We will see.

Goggles Pizzano > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
05/30/2014 at 18:40

Countless hours spent in the boardroom trying to decide whether to install the inevitable turbo in the refresh, or the next totally new model.

I'd say installing it for the facelift may create less press chatter and knee-jerk reactions. Then the engine install wouldn't be lumped in with the "whole big change" thing.

Goggles Pizzano > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
05/30/2014 at 18:47

Great point. I'd say though, Ferrari has naming conventions that are only conventional to a point. Once in a blue moon they flip things on their ear.

Kinja'd!!!

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
05/30/2014 at 18:49

Don't forget the Huracan is out and so is the 650s.

Soloburrito > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
05/30/2014 at 18:55

Shocked they wouldn't just add a 'T' so it matches the F1 car.

Maybe they're that ashamed of the F14T.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Goggles Pizzano
05/30/2014 at 18:58

3.5L 5 valve V8 with the F1 transmission.

Goggles Pizzano > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
05/30/2014 at 19:05

Yes, it's logical, but what I'm getting at is there was no precedent for including valve count. Once in a while Ferrari surprises.

Manuél Ferrari > Soloburrito
05/30/2014 at 19:50

Hahaha probably

Manuél Ferrari > macanamera
05/30/2014 at 19:51

I read that the 3.855L engine in the California T is a brand new engine. They spent a lot of money developing it and probably want to save cost by using the same unit (albeit with some upgrades) in the new car.

Manuél Ferrari > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
05/30/2014 at 19:54

Your post is making me so depressed :(

I have been reading these rumors for a while. Now it looks like they are true.

I want to own the last N/A Dino descendant one day. But I don't love how the 458 looks. I don't hate it. But I don't love it enough to spend big money on it.

macanamera > Manuél Ferrari
05/30/2014 at 20:15

I don't know man, my guy just tells me that the 458 won't get that tiny V8...

Manuél Ferrari > macanamera
05/30/2014 at 20:45

I hope your guy is right!!!

Tim (Fractal Footwork) > Fred (FreddsterExprs)
05/30/2014 at 21:14

I wonder if the new pain-in-Luca's-side McLaren had anything to do with that decision, seeing as McLaren only sells turbo 8s and they seem to be stealing attention away.

Axial > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
05/30/2014 at 22:52

F355 stands for 3.5 L, 5-valve. It's the beginning of the weird trio that includes the 360 and the 430 as well, where there is nothing in the number referencing cylinder count.

The 458 is actually the first return to including displacement + cylinder count in the numeric component.

You probably already knew this, though. :p

EDIT: Looks like you beat me to the punch. :p