Dear gun lovers of Oppo..

"Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh" (andymcbradleigh) 05/24/2014 at 19:48 • Filed to: None

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I've ended up in an argument now.. About the Heckler & Koch G3 rifle..

I say it's a powerfull rifle, not the most acurate but good enough. The people I'm debating this with claim that the G3 have way to much recoil to actually hit ANYTHING..

Sure, it's an 7.62 x 51, but it's not THAT bad, keep it at single fire and learn how to breath between shots and you'll be OK. I trained with this rifle when I was in the army, and I had a hit percentage that qualified me as a "good shooter".

Is the G3 considered a shitty gun?

TheBaron2112 > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 19:50

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Have the people you're debating shot this gun and used it?

Sir Halffast > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 19:50

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I hardly could be called a gun lover, but I've done my fair share of shooting in my time, with a reasonable degree of accuracy. I've always been of the impression that there's no bad gun, only a bad shooter who's not able to adjust to a gun's eccentricities.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 19:50

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Have those people ever fired a snub-nose .357 magnum?

If not, then they don't know recoil.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > TheBaron2112 05/24/2014 at 19:54

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I'd say they have not, they're mostly American, and the G3 ain't that prevalent in the US as far as I know.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > Sir Halffast 05/24/2014 at 19:55

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Spot on... simply SPOT ON..

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/24/2014 at 19:56

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I've never fired a snub-nosed .357.. and I'm not sure I'd like to either :P

Sir Halffast > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 19:57

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That said, a gun can be unreliable, that I'll buy. But "it doesn't shoot straight?" No.

Tony Dickson > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 19:58

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Bonnie Parker of "Bonnie & Clyde" fame weighed around 90 pounds, and her weapon of choice was the Browning BAR, which fired the .30-06 cartridge full-auto.

For Sweden > Sir Halffast 05/24/2014 at 20:02

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Completely outlier example that discredits your point!

The Compromiser > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 20:03

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it's solid I've been told. I started on FNs. Basically the Canuckistan FAL. 7.62 NATO. Semiauto recoil is less than a locked breech type rifle. I've fired the Lee-Enfield .303. It's really accurate but the kick is like a mule compared to the FN.

You make what you hit stay still with 7.62. 5.56 makes the target dance. G3 in video games may suck.... that could be the audience? Good stance would deal with keeping on target. Once the round is out who cares about the recoil?

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > Tony Dickson 05/24/2014 at 20:03

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Sure, but she used it more like we use (or used to use) machine guns. Not to actually HIT anyone, but to keep people at bay. A rapid fire gun won't hit that much, it's more that the enemy will hear the fire and hide ;)

The Transporter > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 20:07

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Recoil has NOTHING to do with accuracy unless you mess up the trigger squeeze trying to anticipate it.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > The Compromiser 05/24/2014 at 20:07

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I think that's the thing, we mostly fired the AG-3 from Prone, as that's what you'd do in war. It's not like you run around shooting at random targets.

Sir Halffast > For Sweden 05/24/2014 at 20:07

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Overly specific example that most people will never shoot, but everyone knows is really good so you're wrong now!

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > The Transporter 05/24/2014 at 20:09

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Mhm.. breath in.. fire.. breath out..

The Transporter > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 20:10

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To each his own. I choose to squeeze the trigger at the end of the exhale.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 20:10

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It kind of hurts, but it's still fun.

desertdog5051 > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 20:11

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Not having shot this particular gun, but have shot 7.62 before, I can't understand how they would say that. Recoil is a product of the explosion and the bullet has left the barrel when you feel it. You may not be able to shoot rapid rounds, but they can be quick enough.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > The Transporter 05/24/2014 at 20:12

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AFAIK the correct thing is breath out, fire, breath in. But I get all shaky when I breath out :P

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/24/2014 at 20:15

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Don't doubt it at all, I need to visit the US :P I've fired a 45, but a .357 just seems awesome.

The Transporter > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 20:15

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You do it whichever way is comfortable for you. If your way leads to consistent trigger pull, then your way is correct.

Tony Dickson > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 20:18

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I was just impressed that she could fire it at all without ending up on her hiney.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > Tony Dickson 05/24/2014 at 20:21

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Hehe.. true.. :)

marvthegrate > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 20:33

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I've not shot the G3, but I have shot a HK91, which is the semi-auto version. Recoil was hardly bad, as I would expect in a weapon of this nature with it's roller delayed blowback action. The action eats up a fair amount of the recoil.

And as has been pointed out, recoil itself does not effect accuracy unless someone flinches due to anticipating the recoil. If they are that afraid of recoil on a semi-auto then I'd invite them to shoot my FR-8 Mauser, which uses the same round as the G3, but in a bolt action rifle. They may never want to shoot again after a few magazines through the FR-8.

Fun fact, the FR-8 was an interim training rifle used by the Spanish as they were developing the CETME rifle in the 50's. The CETME was developed into the G3 with the B variant.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 20:36

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My 1911 in .45 has no real recoil. Revolvers are different, they shoot harder because no force is used to reload.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/24/2014 at 20:39

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True. I wonder how it feels to fire an old Blunderbuss..

TheBaron2112 > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 20:41

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Then if I were you, I'd accept the fact that you're right and unless they get their hands on a G3 at a range, don't worry about their opinion when you have facts on your side.

Jeff-God-of-Biscuits > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 20:42

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I'll just leave this here... .577 Tyrannosaur

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > Jeff-God-of-Biscuits 05/24/2014 at 20:48

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Hehe, "I've got this guys, I've seen a gun in a videogame"

Jeff-God-of-Biscuits > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 20:58

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I love the "Willy Bob, Willy bob!" I have no idea how it translates, but it sounds hysterical

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 20:59

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I have no clue, but I have shot my dad's black powder .50 cal muzzle-loader.

Cajun Ginger > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/24/2014 at 21:05

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I dislike firing my husbands 1911 because it hurts my hand. My 380 and 40 don't.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Cajun Ginger 05/24/2014 at 21:06

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Do you have small hands?

Cajun Ginger > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/24/2014 at 21:08

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Yup. And small wrists. The watch I usually wear is a men's citizen. It's bigger then my wrist.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Cajun Ginger 05/24/2014 at 21:16

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That will do it. I find it to be the most comfortable gun that I've ever shot, but I could definitely see it not working for smaller hands.

The Compromiser > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/24/2014 at 22:55

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always taught to fire on the exhale. Or half out hold and fire.

wiffleballtony > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/25/2014 at 01:19

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I believe you've stated everything correctly. Its a sufficiently accurate battle rifle. However much like the M14, full auto recoil was tough for most to be accurate with. In semi it is fine. In America they were available in the HK91 variant so some do have experience. However the importation stopped a long time ago.

Aaron James > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/25/2014 at 10:38

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better late than never but I would guess these people are basing their firearm knowledge on video games.

sammytaylojr > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/25/2014 at 11:11

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The G3 is a medium power rifle. It is highly reliable and plenty accurate for its intended use. It compares favorably with the AR-10, FAL, and other battle rifles that comprise it's direct competitors. Anyone claiming it has too much recoil to hit anything is either ignorant or worse. My 11 year old niece can hit with it.

If you are in the Atlanta area, I am happy to let you try for yourself on a semi auto version. I can teach just about anyone to hit with it out to 300 yards in a short session at the range. I would take mine out of the dafe and go out to shoot 500 yds without hesitation.

sammytaylojr > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 05/25/2014 at 11:19

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In actual war, there is a lot of running, a lot of crouching, a lot of seeking cover...and shooting from all of it.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > sammytaylojr 05/26/2014 at 08:25

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I'm in Norway :P I used a G3 variant in the army, so I know what I think of it, and I like it.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > sammytaylojr 05/26/2014 at 08:27

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I forgot a sentence there, I was a lorry driver in the airforce, so in an actual war I'd be defendig a base (in my case a field hospital). So I would not be running around.

Sorry about forgetting that part :)

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > Aaron James 05/26/2014 at 08:28

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That's very likely.

wkiernan > Sir Halffast 05/29/2014 at 09:06

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Well, I haven't ever done very much shooting and maybe I'm a lousy shooter, but I once had a short-barreled (2-3/4") S&W .38 revolver that you couldn't hit the side of a barn with. It didn't have very much kick either, I think it was just inherently inaccurate. I even tried propping it against nails driven into the side of a tree and at ten yards I still wouldn't hit close to the same spot on a target two shots in a row.

What a letdown! On teevee you can drop a running guy 200 feet away with one of those while running away from explosions holding a beautiful girl in your other arm, provided you're the good guy and he's the bad guy. Also mine only held five bullets, but on teevee you can shoot dozens of shots without reloading. Who'd have thought teevee'd lie to us?

Sir Halffast > wkiernan 05/29/2014 at 10:35

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I think that's just a function of being a short-barreled revolver. Anything outside of 5 yards is a total crapshoot anyway. That's an up-close-and-personal weapon.

Jokes aside, if you're shooting anything, especially a rifle, and you have any decent level of experience with guns (or just now how to ask good questions), you should be able to figure out tendencies and adjust within the space of a magazine or two.