When do you engines hit their torque peak?

"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno)
05/20/2014 at 23:13 • Filed to: None

Some hit high, some hit low. Where do your engines hit max torque?

I'll list all of mine at my house.

Saturn Vue:

3.6L LY7 V6: 248 ft/lbs at 2100 RPM

Chevrolet Silverado:

5.3L LM7 V8: 330 ft/lbs at 4000 RPM

GMC Safari:

4.3L L35 CPI V6: 260 ft/lbs at 3600 RPM

DISCUSSION (78)

Sn210 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:15

Acura TL-S 3.5L V6

Torque (SAE net): 256 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm

offroadkarter > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:17

Here is the marauder, keep in mind this was taken at the rear wheels, NOT at the crank.

13deg timing(what its set to now)

Kinja'd!!!

16deg timing

Kinja'd!!!

McChiken116 - Patrick H. > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:17

AP1 S2000 I4, 208 at 7500 RPM

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:19

Toyota Crown Royal Saloon, 3.0L 2JZ-GE I6.

It's used to make 220 lb-ft of torque @ 3800 to 4800 rpm 12 years ago.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > McChiken116 - Patrick H.
05/20/2014 at 23:21

Holy cow, you gotta rev that thing to the moon.

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:21

Gotta love Vtec and inline 4:

2013 Civic LX

128 lb-ft at 4300 RPM

2012 Volvo S60 T5- Gotta love a great turbocharger!

266 lb-ft at 1800 RPM

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW.
05/20/2014 at 23:22

Seeing all these V6s that get their power in the 3k to 4k range, I'm thinking the 2100 RPM availability in the Vue is a really great thing.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:22

- Scion FRS, 2.0L flat-4, peak torque 151 ft-lbs at 6600RPM

-W220 Mercedes Benz, 5.0L V8, peak torque 339 ft-lbs at 2700RPM

cluelessk > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:22

My Cobalt SS/TC with the LNF hits

260 hp @ 5300 rpm

260 lb.-ft. @ 2000 rpm

Full torque at 2000 rpm from a 4 cylinder. Make 1st and second almost useless.

EL_ULY > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:23

my Silverado same as yours

my Audi I feel right before redline lol

my Merc i'd say around 3k

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder!
05/20/2014 at 23:23

That number for the civic is honestly just sad...

The Volvo looks lovely though!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > YSI-what can brown do for you
05/20/2014 at 23:24

I get why people say the FR-S has no torque now... Such a high RPM for so little torques!

The Benz's number is impressive though!

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:25

I never realized that on the Civic before. Now I am really disturbed by this number, its nothing.

And yes, the Volvo is. I love when my dad lets me drive it. The thing just takes off!

YSI-what can brown do for you > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:27

Oh yeah, you have to rev it to really be moving. Once you are past 4k though, the curve is pretty flat, til about 7k where it starts to fall.

The Benz is surprisingly fast, and it is so easy to gain that speed too, unlike the FRS.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder!
05/20/2014 at 23:28

You must have to lean into that pedal pretty hard to get that thing really moving.

I was shocked when I learned the Vue has all the torque available at 2100 RPM, but it makes sense if you saw how easy that thing will burn (front) rubber.

Leadbull > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:31

Hyundai Tucson 2.0 4-banger: 136 lb-ft at 4500 RPM

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:31

Yeah, Im always mashing the pedal. Its fun to listen to the car accelerate though, it makes me smile. I always thought it was just me being dumb and reckless, but its the only way to get any speed

JGrabowMSt > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:32

310HP @5200RPM

315 ft/lb @ 5200RPM

Roughly, according to the K&N dyno chart for the 5.7 HEMI. Adjusted slightly for a couple mods I've done that slightly lower HP.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Sn210
05/20/2014 at 23:33

That's really high for a V6 I feel.

HiredHand > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:33

2012 Audi A3 - Somewhere in the neighborhood of 200—230 ft-lb that's flat as a picnic table between about 1800 and 5500 rpm

SVTyler > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:33

Factory fresh is 145 ft-lbs at 5500 RPM. 85% of that is available at 2200 RPM (not my photo)

Kinja'd!!!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > JGrabowMSt
05/20/2014 at 23:34

Mod that slightly lower HP? Those are a thing?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > SVTyler
05/20/2014 at 23:36

Not bad for a light little Focus.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:38

rev1 MR2 SW20 Turbo. factory specs are 304 Nm (224 lb-ft) at 3,200 rpm, though it's 24 years old and I'm running a bit more boost than factory so god only knows how much it has now.

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:39

Yeah.

The crown is never make any tire noise, since it's an auto and the torque is low. This is because Toyota wants to mimic how Rolls-Royce sets off.

But my old W140 S600L, that thing is mental. 428lb-ft @ 3800rpm, hell yeah.

McChiken116 - Patrick H. > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:40

Yup, but that's what's great about the S2000

CRider > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:46

There are some exhausts and intakes that will do that.

JGrabowMSt > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:49

It wasn't done with the effect of lowering HP in mind, but whatever. The 2005 HEMI engines would fire one spark plug on the power stroke, while firing the opposite cylinder during it's down stroke for a re-burn of the gases. It was meant to improve emissions, but it also increased horsepower.

I put on different spark plug wires that essentially fire both plugs at the same time, so there's no spark on the downstroke for a re-burn anymore. The HP gained from the re-burn is very little as said by a chrysler engineer, so the new wires to essentially clean up the engine bay removed between 1-3HP. Luckily, my CAI gave me 21, so it balanced itself out, and I still came out on top.

Singhjr96 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:53

2014 Honda Accord Coupe inline-4 and i-vtec:

185hp @ 6400rpm

181 lb.-ft. @ 3900rpm

You can drive this car around for a whole day, and as long as you never mash on the accelerator, you could stay below 2000 rpm the whole day.

Vicente Esteve > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:53

Porsche 991 911 Turbo S :516 lb.-ft. at 2100 - 4250 rpm

Who the hell am I even trying to kid.

Volkswagen 2.0 Litre 8 Valve Cabrio (2 Point Slow) 122 lb.-ft. at 3200 rpm

samssun > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:54

The exact location where it hits peak is misleading if the torque curve is very flat (or un-flat). I think we need a new standardized metric: the rpm range where you have 90% torque (doesn't have to be 90, but something around there).

Knowing an engine has 400 lbs-ft at 4000 rpm is much less info than knowing it does 90% of 400 lbs-ft from 1200-6000 vs. 4000-7000.

Jayhawk Jake > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:54

BOOOOOOST

Kinja'd!!!

desertdog5051 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:54

Interesting that graph has no RPM shown.

Mine kicks in max at about 2600 rpm and stay flat till 6100.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Vicente Esteve
05/20/2014 at 23:55

You get half my torques at nearly the same RPMs! You're car probably weighs half as much though.

Vicente Esteve > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:56

Haha, I can push it, so yeah. It doesn't weight much more than a pound of flour.

GeorgeyBoy > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/20/2014 at 23:56

Lincoln Ls

286 lbft @ 4000 rpm

Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera

135 lbft @2000-2500 rpms!!

No wonder the Iron Duke was a good boat motor.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > desertdog5051
05/20/2014 at 23:57

I just pulled that off GIS as a photo to have. It's for the 5.3 in the Silverados though.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jayhawk Jake
05/21/2014 at 00:00

Huh, that's for a Cruze. Not bad.

Jayhawk Jake > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 00:03

Same tune as mine, same engine, different body. I actually should have moar power because manual

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jayhawk Jake
05/21/2014 at 00:08

Damn, that's really good then. Especially because isn't the Sonic substantially lighter than the Cruze?

Milky > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 00:18

Knew the torque had to be around 3k before even looking it up.

215 HP SAE @ 5,700 rpm; 229 ft lb @ 3,000 rpm

I'm totally okay with this, torque when you need it on the daily and HP where you want it when you rev it out.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 01:03

My Neon clocks in with 130 lb-ft at a relatively high 4600rpm.

Our Wrangler puts down 210 lb-ft at an incredibly usable 2000rpm. It makes for zero rollback hillstarts.

HammerheadFistpunch > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 01:21

my truck

275 ft-lbs at 3100 rpm

240 ft-lbs at 1000 rpm

the wifes car

236 ft-lbs at 1700-2800 rpm

GreatZombieJesus > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 07:26

Z06

420 ft/lbs @ 5300 RPM

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 07:57

L89 C4 corvette, 330 lb/ft @ 320RPM although you can get the car going in third gear.

Jayhawk Jake > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 08:01

It's 200-300 pounds lighter.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 08:19

Kinja'd!!!

Hey now, the 2JZ puts its 6 cylinders in a row!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
05/21/2014 at 08:22

*6-Cylinders.

I'm usually better about just putting 6-cylinder instead of V6

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
05/21/2014 at 08:26

3200, definitely not 320 haha

crowmolly > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 08:37

Gen I 355: 445 lb-ft @ 4500 RPM, 300+ lb-ft starting at 1600 RPM

'13 TDI: 236 lb-ft @ 1750

Mattbob > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 08:55

m50B25TU, peak torque 184 lbft at 4200 RPM,

Jeep 4.0 , 235 lbft at 3200 rpm

BKRM3 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 09:21

BMW E90 M3 - S65B40 V8:

Max output kW/hp 309/420 @8,300 rpm

Max torqueNm/lb-ft 400/295 @3,900 rpm

Nibbles > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 09:44

1987 Saab 900 - 215 ft/lbs at 2100 RPM

1995 Dakota 5.2 - 300 ft/lbs at 3200 RPM

2007 Focus PZEV - 133 ft/lbs at 4250 RPM

I hate that Focus.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Nibbles
05/21/2014 at 09:47

I bet you do. My god that's a low number at a high RPM

Nibbles > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 09:51

I just want the 900 back. So much juice all the time . Gotta be patient though. Gotta get it rebuilt right. Gotta shoot for the stars (as long as stars stand for about 260 hp and 270 tq to the wheels)

apexbrz > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 10:08

C5 ZO6: 640ft-lbs @ 5400rpm

BRZ: 151ft-lbs @ 6600rpm

briannutter1 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 10:16

Kinja'd!!!

MEESTALUBBA > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 10:17

ECOBOOOOOOOST

Kinja'd!!!

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BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 11:56

Alfa 156 2.5l V6

164lb-ft at 5000rpm

However, I've always thought that peak torque was utterly misleading. It's useful as a ballpark figure, but what's more useful is torque spread across the most common rpm band.

For instance, you could have a petrol engine that makes 200lb-ft at 4500rpm, but makes at least 160lb-ft from 2000-7000rpm.

Similarly, you could have a diesel that produces 200lb-ft at 3000rpm, but it only produces 160lb-ft from 2000-4000rpm.

The second car would be slightly nicer to pootle around in, but as soon as you put the hammer down it'd feel gutless.

My Alfa feels just as, if not slightly more meaty than my E36 325i (181lb-ft at 4700).

That could be something to do with gearing (Alfa has 6, BMW 5 and similar gear limit so the Italian is closer geared), but it's never felt lacking compared to similar cars with a higher peak torque figure at lower rpm.

M54B30 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 15:25

97 Montero - 235 lb-ft @ 4,000 rpm

02 530i - 220 lb-ft @ 3,500 rpm

And my new car, for which I paid a whopping $200, a 94 Corolla 1.8 makes 115 lb-ft at unknown RPM. You can feeeeeeel all that torque when you throw that shifter around. Vroooooom lol

Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT > cluelessk
05/21/2014 at 20:59

Except if you remove the torque mod you make 327 lb ft at the wheels at 2 thousand rpm. And if you go nuts you make 400+ ft lbs at 2200 rpm like me....

Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 21:07

400+ ft lbs at 2200 rpm if i remember right....do I win"?

BrianNutter > apexbrz
05/21/2014 at 22:04

Very nice!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT
05/21/2014 at 22:05

...You must go through tires like I do fuel.

Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 22:08

Let's just say my front tires last a considerably shorter time compared to the rears.....Yes this car is FWD, no I do not regret my choice in life.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT
05/21/2014 at 22:11

I'm a believer in having fun in a FWD car. It's a glorious sight seeing smoke pour from the wheels in front of you. Plus having to fight torque steer.

Most fun I have driving is in a FWD Saturn Vue, so that should tell you I enjoy FWD.

Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 22:13

Come to NH and I will allow you to drive the torque steering monster that is the Cobalt SS, so long as you don't reveal the secret to starting the car....

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT
05/21/2014 at 22:15

Deal!

Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/21/2014 at 22:27

I'll allow you to use launch control and 2step as well. haha

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > McChiken116 - Patrick H.
05/22/2014 at 17:54

208 at 7500 rpm? That's definitely not a factory stock figure.

McChiken116 - Patrick H. > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
05/22/2014 at 18:01

100% the stock figure haha

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > McChiken116 - Patrick H.
05/22/2014 at 18:11

Honda's website on a 2001 AP1 says it's 153 at 7500.

McChiken116 - Patrick H. > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
05/22/2014 at 18:16

Oh shit, did I dyslexic the horsepower and torque figures?

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > McChiken116 - Patrick H.
05/22/2014 at 18:17

You dylexic'd the figures. hahaha

McChiken116 - Patrick H. > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
05/22/2014 at 18:21

Welp, awesome. Whoops. I thought that was high

Jedidiah > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/23/2014 at 17:01

Olds 350.

390 ft-lb at 3200 RPM.

At the wheels its less, this is net.

Stef Schrader > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
05/28/2014 at 00:26

Ha, I found a press release about my car: http://media.mitsubishicars.com/releases/85d7b…

167 ft/lbs, peak RPM not listed for the GTS, but likely in that 4100-4250 RPM range.

Also, they mention that I have stupid balance shafts just like the 944 does. WHY?! Should've stuck a flat six in it, bro. In the trunk. You know. Where engines go.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Stef Schrader
05/28/2014 at 00:36

I think the 4.3 in my Safari has balance shafts. Pretty sure the introduced them the '94 model year, which mine happens to be.