What is the best looking car from BMW?

"Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire" (arch-duke-maxyenko) 05/10/2014 at 12:49 • Filed to: None

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For BMW, on sale now, I think it's the Z4, classic proportions of a long hood and short trunk, good body lines, and it has some call backs to the 507. What do you think?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/10/2014 at 12:51

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Z4 or 2-series with M sport package

Brian Silvestro > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/10/2014 at 12:54

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I don't fucking understand why they didn't make an M version

You can only get the manual with the 28i nowadays as well.

STREPITUS > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/10/2014 at 12:59

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On sale now? I'll take the M6 GC

Overall? I'll have a E24 M6

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > STREPITUS 05/10/2014 at 13:02

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Just on sale now.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 13:03

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Because it would make sense to have an M version.

Louros > STREPITUS 05/10/2014 at 13:03

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Agreed, M6GC. Nothing else is even close.

DylanToback > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/10/2014 at 13:03

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I would say the z4 as well. Great looking car, and it looks infinitely better than the previous generation. That being said, having driven one, I was not all that impressed by the driving dynamics.

I also think the new M6 and M6 gran coupe look excellent.

Brian Silvestro > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/10/2014 at 13:05

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That can't be right.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 13:09

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Which is why the X6 and the X5/6M and Gran Coupes and GT's and the X1 exist

Brian Silvestro > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/10/2014 at 13:10

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Don't make jokes about the X1! My mom's test driving one as we speak! I'm so scared.

PS9 > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 13:13

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You can get this with M flavoring but not the Z4??? WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT

Cherry_man1 > STREPITUS 05/10/2014 at 13:13

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Believe it or not a cousin has the M6 Gran Coupe I'm gonna see if He will let me barrow it for some pictures.

Brian Silvestro > PS9 05/10/2014 at 13:15

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That's BMW for you I guess.

Wow you just made me really depressed.

My hovercraft is full of eels > STREPITUS 05/10/2014 at 13:15

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Agreed. The overall one is a tough choice, but from the current line-up... that's a no-brainer for me. 6 series GC. The pictures don't do justice to that car, it's amazingly spectacular in real life.

PS9 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 05/10/2014 at 13:19

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Probably the best car BMW makes right now.

Dsscats > STREPITUS 05/10/2014 at 13:19

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It's gorgeous in such a brutal way. It's the kind of car that forces you to stare, and you don't mind it.

PS9 > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 13:27

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Well at least you know about the murdering of the M1 successor so this monstrosity could be born. You know about that too, right? Because if you didn't until now, you should be a whole hell of a lot more depressed than you are already.

I learned about that a year or so ago and still haven't gotten over it. WE WILL NEVER BE INTO FORGIVINGS FOR THAT YOU SWINEHEISERS!

Brian Silvestro > PS9 05/10/2014 at 13:34

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Well this made them more money, which is what they care about.

*dies inside*

PheeNoIVI > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/10/2014 at 13:36

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Love the Z4. But I haven't heard great things about the driving feel. So that kind of kills it.

George Costanza > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/10/2014 at 13:46

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You can't have a discussion on BMWs without me.

There are so many and it depends really what area. If you are talking 80s era of boxification then my bet is for E30 M3. Why, 'cause box flares.

But lets say you when outside of E30 vs E34, well then you step into the alpinas and uber cars then its:

Not technically BMW design but still cool

I also like the new M5

I am inclined as a fan boy to love everything, even the bangle era is necessary as the flame surfacing was required to get the M6 to look what it does now and the 2 series to be what it is. I love the E30, E34 a lot but man do I love BMWs style its consistent and builds slowly and even though it seems subtle it is actually ground breaking, especially Bangle.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > George Costanza 05/10/2014 at 13:53

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I'm just talking about on sale now.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > DylanToback 05/10/2014 at 13:58

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Take the E85/E86 dynamics and put an E89 body on it, and you'd have the perfect Z4.

Although I still maintain that the retractable hardtop is silly, and the better looking one is the E86 Coupe.

philipilihp > DylanToback 05/10/2014 at 14:08

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On sale now, the 2 series. On sale leter this year, the 4 GC, as stupid of a concept that it is. At least they made it look good.

George Costanza > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/10/2014 at 14:11

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M5

fireari > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/10/2014 at 14:16

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'68 1600

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > fireari 05/10/2014 at 14:27

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I'm asking about current.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PS9 05/10/2014 at 14:35

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I'd have to agree

fireari > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/10/2014 at 14:47

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oh, never mind then. they lost it in the '90s and haven't recovered since. maybe the 1series...

twinturbobmw > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/10/2014 at 14:59

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The F30 M Sport is my vote.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 15:45

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Because it would have been a pretty version of the Z4 M. And we're not allowed to have nice things.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/10/2014 at 15:45

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BMW makes a bunch of cool stuff to make us excited, but will never give us the car we really want.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 15:45

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I secretly LOVE the X1.

Don't tell anyone!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/10/2014 at 15:46

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My mom just got a 328d xDrive. Be excited.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 15:47

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But they're getting better!

The M235 exists.

And the M2 is supposed to be in the works

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 15:48

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Whaaaaaa?

With the ZF 8 speed?

xDrive? I thought only Audi knows how to make AWD! ( /S )

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/10/2014 at 15:49

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I know right. She just wanted the same car but better on gas. It does have 280 torques (I'm guessing around 300 in reality thanks to BMW underrating).

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 15:51

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It probably does have more closer to 300.

Does she drive on the highway a lot?

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/10/2014 at 15:53

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Yeah, so it makes sense.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 15:54

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I C!

She'll save money and feel so Euro!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/10/2014 at 15:59

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I'm sure she'll have no idea what's going on half the time. My dad is really adamant about getting a BMW, and since he wants a convertible he looked at....a 428i ...

*shudders*

I immediately told him to disregard that car. Then I told him to check out things like Boxsters and F-Types.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 16:04

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TELL HIM TO BUY THE 348 SPIDER I POSTED YESTERDAY!

djmt1 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/10/2014 at 16:20

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The old M6

Captures what I like best about super coupes. Long bonnet, low height and big wheels.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/10/2014 at 16:28

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Not new, can't be leased

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 18:06

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I know, I know...

But it would be awesome!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/10/2014 at 18:09

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We can dream, can't we? My dad sounds pretty sure about the Z4. It's a good car, it's just that it weighs as much as the M235i and has less HP. I feel as if he can do so much better.

Also, the dealers told my dad that demand for the M235 is way up, so they're getting really expensive.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 18:12

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If he really wants a 2 seat roadster then the Z4 would be kind of cool. It still has regular steering, right?

HP isn't the most important thing in the world. The Z4 is probably really fun to drive.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/10/2014 at 18:17

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I think it still has real steering yeah. It's probably an amazing car, but any time I see a Boxster/Cayman/Corvette/F-Type/ 4C I'll feel sad, because those are better.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 18:22

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What's the price compared to those cars?

He could just get a Boxster. Great car. Comes in two different price points and two great transmissions.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/10/2014 at 18:25

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DON'T YOU THINK I KNOW THAT

They're all relatively the same price. I'll try to steer him towards the Boxster though because mid-engined and Porsche.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/10/2014 at 22:47

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Either way he'll have a pretty cool car!

Dat Z4 is purdy

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/10/2014 at 22:51

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It's ok, he's changed his mind about 3 more times since we've last spoken.

gabdere > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/11/2014 at 00:26

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Those wheels really fit the car well.

But my all time fav from bmw are E90 2009+. I always thought the design was so right, the headlights with angel eyes and LED turn signals are one of the sexiest i've ever seen (on a mainstream car). A 335i with M Pack, dual rear exhaust and big bumpers, in white or black with a red interior, would be my perfect car.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/11/2014 at 00:59

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Really?

He's the older version of me, except he only buys new!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/11/2014 at 07:50

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Hopefully he at least holds off buying something until I get home.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/11/2014 at 13:14

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I hope so!

If he buys an automatic V6 Camaro Cabrio before you get there then you'll be pissed

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/11/2014 at 13:33

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If he gets a Camaro convertible, everyone loses.

iforgotmyburnerkeyagain > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 05/11/2014 at 17:32

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On sale: Z4

Old one:

Z8 BITCHES

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/11/2014 at 18:01

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Look at the color and the special "feature" in the interior shots:

I thought you'd like this 2005 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti on AutoTrader.com.

http://m.autotrader.com/vdp.html?id=36…

This is a classy car that your should drive.

Dat shifter... Such a deal for a V12

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/11/2014 at 18:03

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My god. That color, that transmission, that engine! This is a car that would be perfect for my dad. Oh well.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/11/2014 at 18:07

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Another sad "oh well" - I just found a red on tan 2008 F430 6MT coupe with carbon ceramics with low miles and the Tubi exhaust for $150K. It's a really good deal for the year and options.

I would totally fly to Chicago to look at it. But I can't afford it yet.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/11/2014 at 18:08

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Dat Tubi exhaust though. It's perfect.

Oh. Well.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/11/2014 at 18:09

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I know :(

Tubi alone is probably $3000?

Ugh

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/11/2014 at 18:11

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And from what I've heard they sound amazing. What a shame. I've pretty much stopped looking at cars to buy for some reason. Probably because I just got one.

Wait, that's the secret! All we have to do is buy a new car every year and we won't turn insane!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/11/2014 at 18:39

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Hahahaha

Yes buying a car a year will help you

But it's not that simple

You might last more than a year since this is your first car. But with every next car the amount of time you are satisfied goes down. At this point I start thinking of the next car within 6 months of buying a car, lol

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/11/2014 at 18:45

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I've already thought through my whole life in terms of car ownership! I don't even have that much time on my hands, it's just all I think about!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 12:10

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Hey does your Dad like to be frugal?

Cause then Boxster/Cayman (either engine) is the ONLY choice.

I drove the 997 all weekend on like 3 gallons of gas. It was amazing.

Porsche seriously used magic. Their DFI engines make the most out of a tiny bit of gas. It's literally unbelievable. The current Boxster/Caymans are even moar efficient than my 997.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 12:15

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Porsche easily makes the best 6 cylinder engine on the market. They've been doing that for so long. I'm betting he's going to get the Boxster since he loves Porsche and it's a convertible.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 13:43

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It does seem like the best option for him then. He loves Porsche, wants a cabrio, and the Boxster comes in two different price points.

The Porsche flat sixes are very good engines. They had their share of issues when moving from air cooled to water cooled. But by now the water cooled engines are mature and definitely some of the best N/A six cylinders on the market.

Actually come to think of it Porsche is making some of the best N/A engines on the market period.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 13:45

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Oh most definitely. Ferrari and them really know how to make good old-fashioned N/A awesomeness.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 13:53

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And Porsche has totally caught up to Ferrari when it comes to the super high-output per liter N/A engines. It used to be that only Ferrari made engines that were so high strung that they occasionally exploded. But not anymore, the silly little Porsches self combust too now!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 13:59

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Holy shit you're right! I never made that connection before. Hopefully Porsche will sort out the combusting part better than Ferrari does.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 14:12

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I know this sounds crazy but I think it's a good thing that that the new GT3 tried to BBQ its owners.

If you don't have at least a few of the first high-performance cars that rolled out of the factory catch fire then you're not trying hard enough!

Everyone freaked out when some of the early 458s caught fire. But Ferrari issued a recall and it doesn't seem to happen as much anymore. Now all that most people talk about is how sublime dat V8 is and how fun the 458 is to drive.

I suspect the same will happen with the GT3. In a few years all people will talk about is how the GT3 and upcoming GT3 RS are stacking up wins at track days.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 14:17

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Yep. The fire incident will fade into the background. They really went all out on the GT3, and I agree that it catching fire shows how good they did.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 14:36

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I haven't checked to see how the 991 GT3 does around famous tracks vs the 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0. Have you?

If the 991 GT3 isn't faster around the Ring I bet the 991 GT3 RS will be. Which would really piss off those people that spent an arm and a leg on the 4.0, lol.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 14:40

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No I haven't checked, but now I'm curious. I bet it does thanks to the absurd engine and PDK though.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 15:01

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And I think it's a little lighter too, despite the car being bigger and PDK being heavier than stick. The chassis itself is lighter so the car might be lighter despite having more toys.

The thing that is always tough about buying a special edition such as the 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0 or 458 Speciale (especially brand new) is that these cars are made at the end of the base model's run. And the base model's replacement is usually as good or nearly as good as the special edition. The 458 was able to match or beat the F430 Scud on track and the 991 GT3 or 991 GT3 RS will probably beat the 4.0.

I really wish that the special editions came out sooner. I know that for the car company the whole point of the special editions are to make some extra profit when the base model is long in the tooth. And I know that they say they need time to develop the special editions. But do they really need that much time? And wouldn't they make the same (or more) profit if they launched the special edition cars a couple years sooner but sold less of them per year?

Imagine if the 458 Speciale had launched even a year sooner. Ferrari could have produced the same exact number of cars but just sold less per year. They could have set the MSRP higher because there would be more demand.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 15:11

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I don't think it's that they won't, I think it's that they can't. They have to develop a base car first to perfect, and that take a lot of time and fine tuning.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 15:16

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But computers! Surely with modern tech they can speed up the process just a little bit.

The tradition has been that Ferrari launches the special edition 2 model years before the new car. And Porsche normally does something similar.

If they could shave just one year off the development that would be cool. I bet a lot of rich buyers who want the special edition but don't want to get bested by the next car would order it as soon as it launches instead of waiting for the new model. A lot of people on FChat discussed this when the 458 S launched and decided to wait for the new car.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 15:21

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You spend wayyy too much time on that site, you're getting addicted!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 15:27

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I had an idea over the weekend to run by you.

Do you think it would be possible for me to rent out supercars simply to help subsidize my car addiction, not really to turn a profit?

I wonder if it would be possible to start an LLC without having a dedicated office space. I could just have mail go to my office or a PO Box.

I could buy a car and make it an asset of the LLC. I could advertise on Yelp, Oppo, etc. and use an online reservation tool so people can see what days the car is free. If there is a specific weekend when I really want to have the car to use myself then I just block those days in the reservation tool.

If I just did this with one car as a side gig then I could probably manage everything myself and not need to hire an employee. There are cheap solutions now for taking credit card payments and for accounting.

As long as the revenue I collect outpaces the depreciation caused by the miles that people put on the car then I come out ahead financially.

Crazy idea or potentially good way to make the car addition a bit less expensive?

The really cool thing is that if it goes well then I could get a new exotic car every 4-5 years. It would make business sense to always have a current model since people will be more likely to want to lease a current model and they'll pay more for it. Plus always having the current model will ensure the car is always under warranty. And with Ferrari's free maintenance program their cars would make the most sense since they'll pay for all maintenance and consumables other than tires.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 15:27

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I became a member on Sat :D

I submitted a couple comments but nobody replied, lol

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 15:31

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I've actually seen a few people on FChat ask if this was possible, literally every person shot them down and told them it was impossible.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 15:52

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The car renting idea?

Lol everyone is thinking the same thing

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 17:12

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Now I'm curious - why did people shoot this idea down? Too time consuming? Cars get wrecked?

I was all excited about subsidizing my habit, haha

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 17:19

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Damn I don't really remember. The only thing I really remember are veteran members saying things like "I see this stuff all the time, people come on the forums to ask if they can do it, and they can't"

but I don't remember the reasoning, beyond the obvious really expensive rental insurance you'll have to get.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 17:26

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Cool, thanks.

I did think about the insurance being really expensive. I was hoping there would still be some profit in it.

Hmm. Probably not that doable. But it would still be fun to try, haha

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 17:29

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If I had the money to lose, then hell yeah I'd do it!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 17:33

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OK here is the idea for the future.

We both save money for the next 15-20 years doing normal jobs.

Then we start an exotic car sales AND rental business!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 17:35

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That sounds like a good business! We'd get to drive all the exotics we want!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 17:36

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EXACTLY!!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 17:37

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I JUST WANT TO DRIVE MY FIESTA

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 18:03

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Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 18:06

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The amount of SOON in your comment is astronomical. I applaud you. 3 days, 53 minutes from now!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 18:15

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I thought the occasion warranted a mega amount of SOON

You can repay me in kind when I finally make an exotic car happen

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 18:21

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Oh don't worry, your computer/phone won't be able to handle the amount of gifs I use for that event.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 18:25

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Hahahaha

If I happen to be using my iPhone when reading that comment then iOS will literally freak out. Phones have enough trouble with Mobile Kinja as-is. All those GIFs will cause an OS meltdown that will explode the phone and send me to the hospital.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 18:28

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But it'll be worth it, because you'd have to drive to the hospital in your exotic supercar.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 18:31

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Exactly!

You've just helped make the eventual decision easier. I better go with the track version like the Scud or Speciale since they don't have carpets. I don't want to be bleeding all over the carpets as I drive to the hospital.

Also the metal floors, carbon fiber doors and sport buckets will be less prone to being damaged by doge than carpets and leather clad doors and seats. I love all the leather in the regular models but dat leather can be scratched by doge. I take him around everywhere and could feel comfortable doing so in a Scud or Speciale

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 05/12/2014 at 18:40

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Hahaha I can already see him riding around in a Scuderia, he'll love it!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 05/12/2014 at 18:43

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Haha it will be hilarious. I would need to bring one of his beds with me so that he'll have somewhere soft to sit on the passenger floor. It's not safe for him on the passenger seat because of how I drive.

He would HATE race mode since the shifts would be so violent. But he'd be fine with sport mode as long as I wasn't flooring it all the time and causing the car to shift hard.