Which is the better hated brand?

"CAR_IS_MI" (car-is-mi)
04/24/2014 at 17:12 • Filed to: None

So I have a question. Most of us are in Accord (not Honda) that Acura has really made some bad design decisions. Recently, Lexus followed suit by designing cars that all look like various forms of Eric Cartman taking a shit.

I ask you this, which brand is, well, more bad?

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DISCUSSION (38)

Brian Silvestro > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 17:14

Acura, duh. At least Lexus makes some cars fun to drive.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 17:14

I bet a ton of people are going to disregard your choices and go right to Lincoln.

Übel > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 17:15

At least Acura has the whole Honda thing going for it. Lexus ain't got shit.

AthomSfere > Brian Silvestro
04/24/2014 at 17:16

Aren't the wheels still as numb as any other Toyota? I'd take the accurate steering of the Acura/ Honda kind.

CAR_IS_MI > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
04/24/2014 at 17:16

Lol. Lincoln is pretty bad. But I actually remotely considered an MKZ for about all of 5 hours... That's more than I can say for Lexus or Acura.

CAR_IS_MI > Übel
04/24/2014 at 17:17

You mean other than Toy-yoda?

Brian Silvestro > AthomSfere
04/24/2014 at 17:17

What about the RWD and performance cars!?

Übel > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 17:18

Yeah, that's what I said.

jkm7680 > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 17:19

Acura. Who currently think they are superior to every other luxury brand.

CAR_IS_MI > jkm7680
04/24/2014 at 17:19

They obviously are, you just don't know it yet...

jkm7680 > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 17:21

Haha, The day that that happens. Never will.

AthomSfere > Brian Silvestro
04/24/2014 at 17:23

They (IMO) made one, the LFA. I like the NSX better personally, especially when you consider value and sustainability. The LFA was a loss leader, the NSX was profitable. The LFA cost more than a Gallardo but was slower. The NSX was flogging Ferraris and cost less at the time.

CAR_IS_MI > jkm7680
04/24/2014 at 17:23

Kinja'd!!!

jkm7680 > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 17:25

The day that the Nsx returns. I will regain some of my respect for Acura.

They've just got to cut the shit about being superior to Audi, Bmw, and Mercedes. They aren't.

Kailand09 > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
04/24/2014 at 17:26

damnit I came down into the comments to say this. You beat me to it.

Kailand09 > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 17:28

I'd say lincoln as stated in another comment.

To pick between the 2, I'd say lexus. I hate toyota and their cars are terrible to drive (i have a lot of experience with this). Modern lexus seems to be barely better toyotas save a few actually decent cars.

spanfucker retire bitch > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 17:29

I feel that Lexus still has the better looking theme of the two brands. But if I'm picking a Japanese luxury vehicle on looks - it's pretty easily Infiniti. The Q50 looks better than anything that Lexus or Acura offer across their entire lineup.

RacecaR > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 17:30

Kinja'd!!!

I'll just leave this here... :D

CAR_IS_MI > RacecaR
04/24/2014 at 17:31

I never complained about Lexus being boring, I just proclaimed it to be truth. Why can't they just meet nicely somewhere in the middle?

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > AthomSfere
04/24/2014 at 17:33

I don't know. A good friend of mine has last year's IS F and its actually a really fun car. I would rather be driving something German as far as luxury sport sedans go, but it shifts well with the paddles, and doesn't mind kicking its tail out a little bit to remind you that your luxury sedan had an F at the end of its name. The steering wheel is also very similar to the LFA wheel, which is awesome. Meanwhile, Acura aint got shit (minus the NSX, but I don't even believe Acura when they talk about it anymore).

It comes down to the fact that I wouldn't chose to own buy either, but I'd much rather borrow a Lexus. Plus the recent models look more like actual luxury cars than just gussied up versions of their parent company's beige sedans, in my personal opinion.

Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 17:36

See, the thing is, Lexus actually makes good cars. No not the RX or the ES, but you get my point. Acura just makes....bleh. Not great looking bleh.

AthomSfere > SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O)
04/24/2014 at 17:36

Lexus doesn't have the LFA anymore either, technically.

And, at least Acura still consistently offers a manual. Paddle shifters? No thanks for me.

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > AthomSfere
04/24/2014 at 17:55

I meant more in the "things I could actually afford a used model of" department. The IS F was a great, fun car for the week that I borrowed it, and I honestly don't think Acura has made anything in recent years that is as fun or looks as good as the IS or that looks like a proper luxury sedan like the LS (also available with an F tacked on). The closest thing you can get from Acura is a RLX, which just looks like you spent $50k on a Honda with some wooden bits and extra leather. As for the transmission, yeah, I would definitely prefer a manual but I'm not going to buy any of these cars so I don't really care about that so much. Ahaha. But I have to say if, in the future, I was going to buy a primary car that I might have to share with my wife (who lets say can't drive manual) and I had to chose between these brands, I would a) prefer a Lexus and b) prefer paddles over a regular automatic. At least you can have a little bit of fun. When you're not driving your fun car.

And, yes, Lexus doesn't have the LFA but they haven't leading us on with hints about a new one since 2007. Seriously, Acura. Just produce the damn thing. I'm not even excited about it anymore.

RacecaR > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 17:57

it was more of a general comment, not really directed towards you.

CAR_IS_MI > RacecaR
04/24/2014 at 18:00

I know but I answered it anyways because thats what I do.

No, seriously, sometimes when Im bored I walk down the street to answer random questions in conversations Im not part of...

No Prius Needed > RacecaR
04/24/2014 at 18:15

Don't make fun of the Lexus ES300!

Milky > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 18:22

Lexus 110%. Niether are great, but at least Lexus is trying. Acura on the other hand hasn't done a damn thing in the last decade in the design department.

ttyymmnn > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 18:36

More badder? Does that mean gooder?

AthomSfere > SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O)
04/24/2014 at 19:04

Acura took forever with the original NSX too, much of that because the F1 drivers they were using for testing kept asking to stiffen it up.

As for good to drive, really the TL is my choice, 305HP SH-AWD with manual. Perfect to me.

As for Lexus, I want to like them, but I consistently hear about the floaty wheel they took from the Toyota and that just doesn't work for me. I'd prefer Acura (TSX with 6 speed performance pack, or the TL mentioned earlier) or a BMW if RWD only was a must.

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > AthomSfere
04/24/2014 at 19:32

I know but this is driving me crazy. I was so excited about the new NSX, like, two years ago. Now I'm just waiting over here with my face in one hand while drumming my fingers against the table with the other, hoping that it will live up to the expectations, which would be a feat in of itself.

I've never driven a TL, but I hear they're fun. I just don't think that a TL can make up for the fact that it has 111hp less than a IS F and that (in my opinion) it looks a bit... blah, even with a proper transmission. 416hp in a sport sedan with paddles is a crap load of fun and in sport mode, which I didn't take the car out of once, the steering was actually pretty good. It wasn't the most engaging and awe inspiring steering of any car I've ever driven, but of course it isn't... It's a Lexus, after all.

ly2v8-Brian > CAR_IS_MI
04/24/2014 at 20:35

who is the badderest?

AthomSfere > SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O)
04/24/2014 at 21:40

The funny thing to me is:

Although as a brand as a whole I much prefer Honda/Acura... I am not excited about the NSX anymore. The engine is in the wrong place, Honda hasn't had a slam dunk since the S2000 came out. The Si is great but should be better, the regular Civic is good, but eh... Most the Acura's fit a good niche, but something is lacking. Especially from the brand that brought us so many great cars 20 years ago.

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > AthomSfere
04/24/2014 at 22:32

I couldn't agree more. I really hope the NSX exceeds everyone's expectations, but I won't be surprised if it doesn't. I would also love to see Acura succeed. Something like a new Integra would be amazing, if you ask me, and probably something Acura really needs at this point. They need a reboot like Cadillac is working on right now to change the less-than-ideal image they've earned recently.

AthomSfere > SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O)
04/24/2014 at 22:43

Agreed, the question though is do they want to go back to good sales and die hard fans or try and sell more cars. With the weak yen probably more sales, but with ever tougher competition they probably should worry about making new loyal fanatics.

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > AthomSfere
04/24/2014 at 22:45

That's everyone's question, and most companies choose more sales. Its a shame for us but good for them, I guess.

AthomSfere > SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O)
04/24/2014 at 22:48

I would argue in the short run. Ford, Chevy and Dodge all figured out it was unsustainable though. Price wars, sell the most with the smallest margins was not a good approach. Hopefully Honda sees this before its too late. I think it is the same thing Toyota is figuring out right now.

I think Honda does see it though, looking at how fast they redesigned the 2012 Civic and their new HFP badging.

CAR_IS_MI > ly2v8-Brian
04/25/2014 at 01:23

Moster Badderest...

thebigbossyboss > CAR_IS_MI
04/25/2014 at 15:49

The Lexus's look way worse.