How far we've come.

"burglar can't heart click anything" (burglar)
04/24/2014 at 11:58 • Filed to: None

This is the legendary BMW E30 M3:

in 1988 its mad, race derived, 2.3L four cylinder put out 192 horsies, giving it the highest specific output of any normally aspirated piston engine of its day.

0-60 blurred past in 6.9 seconds.

1/4 mile in 15.2 sec @ 92 mph.

They had sublime handling as well, and have rightly earned collector car status, demanding some lofty prices for good examples.

This is the Subaru BRZ:

It's 2014 2.0L flat 4 only puts out a middling 200hp, way underpowered.

0-60 takes forever at 6.3 seconds.

1/4 mile is a yawn inducing 14.9 @ 95 mph.

It does, however, also possess sublime handling that is universally praised.

Oh, and the BRZ starts at a way overpriced $25,495. T

he BMW rang in at $34,810. In 1988. In 2014 dollars that's $69,530.

DISCUSSION (15)

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > burglar can't heart click anything
04/24/2014 at 12:01

Mazda MX-6's can get that level of performance actually, and they have only 160 HP.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > burglar can't heart click anything
04/24/2014 at 12:02

Slight difference: Me Gusta Bim, Me Gusta naturally aspirated, and the BRZ does not contain the May Fizz in the same respect to me so far.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > burglar can't heart click anything
04/24/2014 at 12:10

Because racecar.

A FR-S/BRZ racing series (with street-legal homologation specials) needs to be a thing.

Gamecat235 > burglar can't heart click anything
04/24/2014 at 12:15

Listen guy... your "facts" are all well and good. But where are your outlandish opinions?

Reigntastic > burglar can't heart click anything
04/24/2014 at 12:17

I wonder how long it will take for the BRZ/FRS to hit the bottom of their depreciation curve. I'll be waiting.

burglar can't heart click anything > Gamecat235
04/24/2014 at 12:18

Blue is stupid on a Subaru!

(How's that?)

burglar can't heart click anything > Reigntastic
04/24/2014 at 12:23

Gonna take a few more years for the market to fill. I'm guessing $10k in 2019 will get you a nice example. Total guess.

Gamecat235 > burglar can't heart click anything
04/24/2014 at 12:24

That's pretty outlandish for a guy with a Burgundy Beetle.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > burglar can't heart click anything
04/24/2014 at 12:25

My 2007 Mercury Milan V6 does 0-60 in 6.9

Reigntastic > burglar can't heart click anything
04/24/2014 at 12:25

Yeah, that's pretty optimistic but we'll see. 10k is NP all day long for a used toyobaru, regardless.

burglar can't heart click anything > Gamecat235
04/24/2014 at 12:26

Busted.

burglar can't heart click anything > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
04/24/2014 at 12:27

So does a 2014 Toyota Sienna. A freaking minivan is as fast as one of the most lauded sports cars of all time.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > burglar can't heart click anything
04/24/2014 at 12:29

haha, good thing I'm not a BMW fan or I'd have a major sad right now

Cixelsyd > burglar can't heart click anything
04/24/2014 at 13:21

The M3 was a seriously fast car in 1988. 200 HP was a lot in 1988. It put you in the running with seriously fast cars for the time. Supercars from Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche were only doing 0-60 in the mid 5 second range at that time.

The BRZ has the great handling that the old M3 did, but it falls down when asked to run with serious sports cars. It's 0-60 time is identical to my wife's RAV4. I don't think the BRZ is a bad car at all, but it still could use just a bit more power.

burglar can't heart click anything > Cixelsyd
04/24/2014 at 14:35

That's my point - enthusiasts go ape shit over the e30. For good reason, too - it's one of the best sports cars ever made.

25 years later the cheapest true sports car on the market outperforms it. And does it at the adjusted equivalent of 1/3 the price. Yet it is always thought of as underpowered, slow, and expensive.

That's just how much our standards have changed. It's a good time to be an enthusiast.