"F10M5" (F10M5)
04/13/2014 at 17:15 • Filed to: Alfa, 156, Alfa Romeo, Sportwagon, Q-System
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"F10M5" (F10M5)
04/13/2014 at 17:15 • Filed to: Alfa, 156, Alfa Romeo, Sportwagon, Q-System | 2
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Alfa Romeo's Q-system can be used as normal automatic or shift manually with H-pattern. Unfortunately, it was a 4 speed automatic... But what a modern gearbox - like a 6 speed double clutch - with that system?
BTW, that's the car that came with it, the 156 Sportwagon 2.5 V6.
BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
> F10M5
04/13/2014 at 17:22 |
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Brace yourself. I asked about having an auto setup like this, and got a pretty rough response. I think it's a great idea. I'd never have one myself, but I still think it's a great idea.
153624 - Straight Six
> BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/13/2014 at 17:28 |
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I agree, except no slushbox. I'd be all for this with an electronically controlled clutch, which keeps the feel of a manual. Especially for couples that buy cars where one person can't (or won't) drive stick. If that is what it takes to save the manuals, then I'm all for it.
Victorious Secret
> F10M5
04/13/2014 at 17:29 |
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A manual shifter without the clutch?
Interesting indeed.
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BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
> 153624 - Straight Six
04/13/2014 at 17:33 |
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An electronic clutch would probably have no feel or any feedback. It would be terrible to use and ultimately an insult to real manual drivers :\
themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
> BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/13/2014 at 17:39 |
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Those same reasons are why a "6-speed pattern" automatic is a terrible idea. It will confuse people who can't be bothered to learn how to drive stick if they actually buy a manual car because "Well in my old car I just moved the lever!". And it isn't just about drivers forgetting how to use a clutch pedal, it's about rev-matching, hill starting, and knowledge of your car's powerband that aren't gained through simply having a fake 6-gear pattern to row through.
LappingLuke
> F10M5
04/13/2014 at 17:44 |
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For me this would be just as boring as pressing a button on the back of a steering wheel. There's still no involvement. You press a button or move a fake lever and a computer system does all the work for you. Still no skill involved, therefore no satisfaction of having a skill or actually interacting with the car and less control. No bueno.
davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> F10M5
04/13/2014 at 18:14 |
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I don't want to go through the motions of shifting gears in my car. I don't want to tell a computer to do it for me. I want to actually change gears myself, and will do so, as long as I have that choice.
Michael Flatter
> F10M5
04/13/2014 at 18:39 |
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If the clutch is controlled by the computer, I think its probably necessary that the gearbox operate sequentially, or at least in a way very predictable to the control systems (BMW's SMG could downshift from 6 straight to 4 in automatic mode.)
Think about this though, one of the ways a dual clutch or other automated system works is that it will only execute shifts that will no harm the drive train. So if you try to down shift when it would be bad for the trans it won't let you.
How would that work on this set up? You move the shifter to downshift and put it into a new position but the car doesn't actually downshift?
Anyway, I don't see how this is in anyway "Saving the Manuals!" Having a third pedal is more critical to the manual experience than being able to shift in an H pattern. I would rather have a car with driver operated clutch and a sequential shifter than no clutch pedal and a H pattern shifter.
For those who don't want to work a clutch, the dual clutch set up as it already exists is more than adequate.
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153624 - Straight Six
> BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
04/13/2014 at 21:19 |
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What I meant by that was a fully normal clutch assembly, except the clutch and shifter are connected to a tiny electric motor that can control then when in automatic mode. More like an electronically assisted clutch, rather than an electronic clutch.
JDMatt
> F10M5
04/14/2014 at 00:21 |
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that's gotta confuse valet parkers