Even Their Motorcycles Are Getting Standard CVTs

"hethoughtofcars" (hethoughtofcars)
04/04/2014 at 01:01 • Filed to: None

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OK, it's technically a scooter, but this line is actually in the article:

As such, the C600 Sport could be both the cheapest and the most reliably entertaining BMW you'll ever own.

*sigh*

DISCUSSION (25)

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 01:02

The Piaggio MP4 has a CVT as far as I'm concerned.

hethoughtofcars > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy
04/04/2014 at 01:05

Yeah, almost all modern Piaggios and Vespas are of the "Twist and Go" variety (they've occasionally put out a retro special edition with a 2 stroke and manual). I can't think of any new scooter offered in the US that is manual except for the Genuine Stella.

PS9 > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 01:06

$10k for a scooter??? Git the fuck on outta here with that, and I don't care who's badges are on it.

toadterror > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 01:07

I've riden one of these, feels like a bike, they're fast too. You wind on that throttle and they go

hethoughtofcars > PS9
04/04/2014 at 01:09

BMWs are ridiculously expensive regardless of what the roundel is on. In a recent issue, C&D claimed about the 4 series that "the only stripper that is more expensive is the one that calls your wife"

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 01:23

My mother is considering a motorcycle with a CVT actually, mainly due to difficulties gripping the clutch, and she doesn't feel confident in keeping a motorcycle like my father's F650GS upright, or even his newer R1200RT.

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 01:27

I have a scooter, a very small and cheap Yamaha Mio 110 with CVT, and they are really, i mean really fast.

It's almost feels like an electric. CVTs is great for scooters, especially if they has a very low weight like my mio (180 pounds)

hethoughtofcars > Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW.
04/04/2014 at 01:37

They are fine for scooters. I've owned a scooter (Bajaj Chetak 150cc) though, and just like with a car it is more fun with a manual.

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 01:51

Yeah. I think it's time for me to be honest: I can't drive manual bikes with clutch. How it's shifted is not make any sense in my mind. especially those old vespa scooters.

But i can drive manual cars.

I think this is because i'm not that into motorcycle, and my scooter is only used for short trips, less then 10 miles or so..

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 01:53

Just save up for the R1200R.

Or their upcoming S1000R.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 01:55

Also, this is a manual in the sense tha't two clutches in a VW is an Auto.

Kinja'd!!!

Sadly, we won't get it because it may "cannibalize" Silverwing sales. Dafuq?

Übel > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 01:58

Most (if not all) states require that scooters have automatic transmissions to be registered as Mopeds, so that's where that comes from.

hethoughtofcars > Übel
04/04/2014 at 02:01

I don't think that's true. For a scooter to be classified as a moped it is usually based on displacement. Specifically, to be under 50cc (that's the reason for all those 49cc bikes). In most states (or at least Oregon) you can't ride anything more powerful without having your motorcycle endorsement.

dinobot666 > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 08:43

Isn't that the point of a scooter? Point and go transportation for an urban setting? That's why I used to ride them.

bob and john > PS9
04/04/2014 at 09:14

to be fair, its a scooter with a 600cc motor and ABS and crap.

and a BMW badge

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 09:48

remember this scooter has 60hp so it should be really quick even with CVT.

Übel > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 10:18

Just like with cars, there is more than one requirement to be a moped :P Usually it's something like under 50cc, top speed of 30mph or less, less than 2hp, and automatic transmission, along with various equipment requirements.

PS9 > bob and john
04/04/2014 at 10:52

Nope, still not at all worth it.

bob and john > PS9
04/04/2014 at 11:07

oh, nvr said it was worth it. but i'm just saying, its might not be as CP as u would think

hethoughtofcars > Übel
04/04/2014 at 11:51

Ah, we have the less than 30 mph, and also that it must have bike pedals. It's ridiculous though. 50cc is not enough for anyone. Just go get your motorcycle endorsement. You'll have to take a class which will make you a far better rider and a whole new slew of options open up for you!

hethoughtofcars > dinobot666
04/04/2014 at 11:53

Am I really having to defend a manual transmission over a CVT?

dinobot666 > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 12:09

Of course not, but this is a scooter, not a motorcycle.

hethoughtofcars > dinobot666
04/04/2014 at 12:13

Well I've always been in to classic Vespas and Lambrettas, and they were always manuals. I enjoyed them and their personality more than the plastic-y modern versions.

Kinja'd!!!

Übel > hethoughtofcars
04/04/2014 at 12:50

The pedal rule is kinda archaic anymore, but several states have it. 50cc is just fine with the 30mph limit. That being said, MI just upped it to 100cc in 2012, which is nice.

Unfortunately, my Honda CT70H is still a manual so I'm stuck in a weird gray zone where it's clearly a scooter, but it's legally a motorcycle. There's no inspection in MI though, so I may just tell the DMV it's a moped and hope the cops don't know much about 70s scooters.

hethoughtofcars > Übel
04/04/2014 at 13:07

30mph limit on a flat street, ok. Here in Portland we have some hills! Besides I think the rule is silly, everyone should have to take a Motorcycle Safety Class and learn the basics. Of transportation deaths, something like 41% of casualties were motorcyclists and quite a few are single bike crashes. I was one of those people who started out riding a 150cc manual shift scoot without an endorsement. Then I took the class and realized how terrible at it I had been! Now I'm all legal, thankfully.

And the cops can tell here because your license plate starts with MC for Motorcycle and MP for Moped. Although I'm sure I'm a few people have upped there 50cc motors and removed the speed governors, but I think they should just get legal and the selection of bikes becomes so much more impressive.