"Tim (Fractal Footwork)" (fractalfootwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:05 • Filed to: What If You Could Bench Press Your Car?, Power-To-Weight, Koenigsegg Agera One:1, OppositeLock
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"Tim (Fractal Footwork)" (fractalfootwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:05 • Filed to: What If You Could Bench Press Your Car?, Power-To-Weight, Koenigsegg Agera One:1, OppositeLock | 29
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The Koenigsegg Agera One:1 was just unveiled at the Geneva Motor Show, and is highly important for the automotive world because it achieves a power-to-weight ratio of 1. The !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! got me thinking, what if every car, your car, had a power to weight ratio of 1?
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The Koenigseeg Agera One:1 achieves this momentous power-to-weight ratio with a home-bred 5.0 liter V8 engine producing 1,322 bhp (or 1340 metric horsepower) all while sustaining a slimming mass of 1,340 kg (or just 2,954 in gravity-driven pounds).
There are two ways to go about imagining a car's change in power-to-weight: either you reduce the weight, or you increase the power (assuming metric hp=bhp, to make things easier). Let's start with a few ordinary cars...
BMW 3-Series
Standard:
power : 180 hp 2.0L hp I4
curb weight : 3,410 lbs (1,546 kg)
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With Power-to-Weight Ratio of 1:
Increase power to : 1,546 hp
or
Reduce curb weight to : 397 lbs (180 kg)
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Toyota Camry
Standard:
power : 178 hp 2.5L I4
curb weight : 3,190 lbs (1,446 kg)
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With Power-to-Weight Ratio of 1:
Increase power to : 1,446 hp
or
Reduce curb weight to : 392 lbs (178 kg)
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Ford F-150
Standard:
power : 365 hp 3.5L V6
curb weight : 4,685 lbs (2,125 kg)
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With Power-to-Weight Ratio of 1:
Increase power to : 2,125 hp
or
Reduce curb weight to : 805 lbs (365 kg)
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Fiat 500
Standard:
power : 101 hp 1.4L I4
curb weight : 2,363 lbs (1,071 kg)
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With Power-to-Weight Ratio of 1:
Increase power to : 1,071 hp
or
Reduce curb weight to : 223 lbs (101 kg)
Just Imagine being able to bench-press a Fiat 500.
Those were ordinary cars, and you should expect those adjusted numbers to seem a bit outrageous. The cars below are considered to be incredibly fast for most of us, and they should be closer to a power-to-weight ratio of 1.
Chevrolet Corvette (C7)
Standard:
power : 455hp 6.2L V8
curb weight : 3,298 lbs (1,496 kg)
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With Power-to-Weight Ratio of 1:
Increase power to : 1,496 hp
or
Reduce curb weight to : 1,003 lbs (455 kg)
!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!
Nissan GT-R
Standard:
power : 545hp 3.8L V6
curb weight : 3,829 lbs (1,737 kg)
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With Power-to-Weight Ratio of 1:
Increase power to : 1,737 hp
or
Reduce curb weight to : 1,202 lbs (505 kg)
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Lotus Elise
Standard:
power : 134 hp 1.6L I4
curb weight : 1,598 lbs (725 kg)
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With Power-to-Weight Ratio of 1:
Increase power to : 725 hp
or
Reduce curb weight to : 295 lbs (134 kg)
Suddenly, that 1:1 power-to-weight ratio seems a bit more outrageous. The brains at Koenigsegg have been innovating their way to speed, but their weight saving techniques may soon find themselves in our everyday cars.
Automakers need to find ways to increase their average mpg ratings, as the ever-increasing CAFE standards rise with time. An easy way to decrease fuel consumption is to cut weight, and with manufacturers research into 3D printing and carbon fiber chassis construction becoming more of a reality everyday, perhaps it's not so far off to envision bench pressing your new Ford Focus after all.
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[ Images, power statistics, and weight statistics from !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! and individual manufacturer websites ]
dogisbadob
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:08 |
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The US-market version will be called
Koenigsegg Twopointtwothree:1
davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:10 |
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I laughed. Hard.
HammerheadFistpunch
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:19 |
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looks like I would need 2400 hp, or only another 2188 hp.
almost there!
CRider
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:20 |
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Is a 725 hp Elise really too much to ask?
BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:22 |
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The Lotus actually seems doable... I mean, cars with over 700 h are pretty common nowadays, and I wonder how much weight you'd have to put on to get to that figure, and how much more weight would go on to make it drivable/livable with. Maybe 850 to 900 hp would be about right.
For Sweden
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/06/2014 at 18:32 |
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Don't skip leg day and you'll be there in no time.
Fatamericanstig
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:33 |
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I don't think my life will be complete until I see and drive a 1000 HP Fiat 500.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> For Sweden
03/06/2014 at 18:34 |
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here is what less than half of that on my engine looks like
FriscoFairlane
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:35 |
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A 1,400 HP Camry: Pretty much the only way I would every drive a Camry.
My X-type is too a real Jaguar
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:37 |
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If every car had a power to weight ration of 1, there would be much less traffic.
MTY85
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:37 |
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The first "megacar?" That's kind of an odd claim to make because I'm pretty sure the Hennessey Venom GT does indeed exist and isn't just a figment of my imagination.
Kate's Dirty Sister
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:37 |
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A f125 shifter kart would have about 175hp, nobody would be able to drive them and many kids would die trying to.
TheSmokingTire
> CRider
03/06/2014 at 18:38 |
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Already Here:
dmat
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:38 |
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yall need to do this for 1 super duty truck.
hiphopapotomas
> CRider
03/06/2014 at 18:38 |
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Out of that tiny engine? maybe. I remember the DRIVE episode where the guy had an exige with a combo charger set up. I forget how much HP he was making though
bwwooster
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:39 |
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725hp?
Is it my imagination, or is that Elise grinning more than usual?
seoultrain
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:40 |
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Even a Hayabusa falls short of 1:1.
197 hp moving 265kg = 0.74 hp/kg
Add a rider and it's not even close. (0.57 for me)
HughMagnusJohnson
> FriscoFairlane
03/06/2014 at 18:41 |
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at those speeds, would it still be grounded to the ground?
GreenN_Gold
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:41 |
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My car weights roughly 1.7 tons, which puts my ratio right about 156:1.
Suck it.
zyodei
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:41 |
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Meh.
justregisteralready
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:42 |
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Awwww, power to weight of 1:1, that's cute.
8000 HP, 2300 lbs(1043 kg). /trollface
SV77
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:42 |
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u mean make a motorcycle? Ducati Panigale 200kg 200 hp. whats the question?
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iliketoeat
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:42 |
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...or just get a BMW S1000RR. Right around 200 kg and 200 HP, all for $15,000.
saabstory | fixes bikes, breaks cars
> BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
03/06/2014 at 18:42 |
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Very doable indeed.
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zyodei
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/06/2014 at 18:43 |
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http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/gallery/…
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TwiceAroundTheClock
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:43 |
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Why not get cars to meet in the middle? A 1,000 kg, 1,000 hp Fiat 500, for example, might just be doable. Lethal, but doable.
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zyodei
> zyodei
03/06/2014 at 18:43 |
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The Biebster's got a P71 (Formerly not Justin Bieber)
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:44 |
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I would need to add 1,700 horsepower.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> zyodei
03/06/2014 at 18:45 |
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Arab desert racing trucks are getting 1200-1400 hp out of my engine with consistently, only 1000 more to go, or...hey...TWO engine!
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chromecarz00
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:45 |
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Raise power to 725? Done!
/necessary
hapakcm
> My X-type is too a real Jaguar
03/06/2014 at 18:45 |
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because everyone would be dead
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iliketoeat
> seoultrain
03/06/2014 at 18:45 |
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Why "even" a Hayabusa? It's not like it's a particularly fast bike anymore. The BMW S1000RR is right around 1 HP/kg.
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chromecarz00
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:46 |
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Increase power to 1737
Also done!
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chromecarz00
> TheSmokingTire
03/06/2014 at 18:47 |
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Beat me to it!
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FriscoFairlane
> HughMagnusJohnson
03/06/2014 at 18:48 |
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I think that the SE has a spoiler. That should do it.
charlie.ball
> TheSmokingTire
03/06/2014 at 18:50 |
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How insane is it to drive that Lotus?
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BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
> saabstory | fixes bikes, breaks cars
03/06/2014 at 18:50 |
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My point exactly :p
HideyoshiJP
> My X-type is too a real Jaguar
03/06/2014 at 18:51 |
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True. Also, everybody would be dead.
DollaMoneyAve
> chromecarz00
03/06/2014 at 18:53 |
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But that thing will break, and break often. The One:1 will not. Probably.
Duh
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:53 |
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1,322 bhp (or 1340 metric horsepower)
What is a metric horsepower? The metric unit for power is the watt, or I guess for this case it would be better to use kilowatt. 1 horsepower = 0.745 kilowatts.
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DollaMoneyAve
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:54 |
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So a C7 Corvette weighs more than a Camry. That's what I took away from this
wizkashifa
> MTY85
03/06/2014 at 18:55 |
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It makes a megawatt of power.
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saabstory | fixes bikes, breaks cars
> BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
03/06/2014 at 18:55 |
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Oh. Hahaha!
tsmit
> BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
03/06/2014 at 18:56 |
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yeah but all that engine and drive train and all that jazz gonna add weight >< what's hennessy's lotus at weight wise?
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BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
> tsmit
03/06/2014 at 18:57 |
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Beats me, I'll have to google it, but it probably doesn't get to 1:1. I wonder if they could reach that mark by adding more power and weight, or if weight will always outclass power in that specific chassis engine combo.
lambro
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:58 |
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Power to mass*
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TheSmokingTire
> charlie.ball
03/06/2014 at 18:58 |
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Pretty insane. Like riding a fly with a head full of acid.
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seoultrain
> iliketoeat
03/06/2014 at 18:58 |
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Might not be the fastest anymore, but it's well known for having a ton of power (more than the S1000RR). Just an example of how hp/weight looks like for superbikes.
scorpio516
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:59 |
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Or, just add 225 hp to this:
Or shave off 225 kg (lol)
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Captaintreacherous
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 18:59 |
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Excuse me but um 160- 505 hp/ton for the first 3 seconds, then up to 2,500hp ton. Manual, No Traction Control, Or stability control. Senna could get within 3 inches of the walls with it. Because Ayrton Senna. Because Mp4/4.
I think McLaren should make a special P1 with a modern V12 based on this. I mean 3.0L quad turbo V12 with about 4,000hp. Now that I think of that, It is a horrible idea!!!! Never Mind
GrauGeist
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:00 |
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A go-kart might weigh 100 kg, so 100 hp?
That would be ridiculous fun!
xxstich666xx
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:00 |
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Mazda Miata (NA)
Standard:
power : 128hp 1.8L I4
curb weight : 2070 lbs (940 kg)
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With Power-to-Weight Ratio of 1:
Increase power to : 940 hp
or
Reduce curb weight to : 282 lbs (128 kg)
I feel the "or" is a lot less doable lol.
marimvibe, new packaging, same great taste
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:02 |
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Mine already crushes the 1:1 ratio. ~300hp, under 2 tons. It's better than 150:1!
CAcoalminer
> DollaMoneyAve
03/06/2014 at 19:03 |
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Actually it hasn't.
SensousLettuce
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:04 |
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This is awesome. Also, what kind of world do we live in where a Camry weighs less than a 3 series?!
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Alternator Fax
> BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
03/06/2014 at 19:05 |
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IIRC it is 1:1 dry, but fuel/oil/coolant/etc add a considerable amount.
Blondude
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/06/2014 at 19:07 |
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Well, now I'm curious as to what can be done with the 2UZ in my Land Cruiser.
Daniel Krná
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:07 |
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Maybe a bit off topic, but I've seem Mr. Koenigsegg at their (tiny tiny) stand during both press days a Geneva Motor Show few days ago. Everytime I went by Koenigsegg stand, he was just chatting with normal mortals, for two days in a row, no PR, marketing nonsense, no introduction of chairman of board of "we-don'-t-really-care-about-cars-we-just-like-money" kind of suit guys. Here's my photo proof.
Just a man with his own car company. Do you realise how unique that its nowadays? Yes you can't compare high volume car makers with niche ones, but hey, what would Louis Renault and Andre Citroen or Gottlieb Daimler say to the companies that now have their names on them? I bet some of them would be very sad to say at least.
So that's why this is such a fantastic thing to see at a car show like this. I was just to shy to shake Koenigseggs hand. Boo to myself.
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MTY85
> wizkashifa
03/06/2014 at 19:09 |
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Ohhhh, i thought it was mega because it had a power to weight ratio of one to one.
OctaneBlood
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:10 |
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I really like how Koeniggseg (if I spelled that correctly on first try, I'll shit) has brought forward the "megawatt" to the masses. A lot of people have asked what a "megacar" is, and it's not that it's one more than "hyper". I am a huge fan of Koeniggseg and therefore LOVE this car. I'd love to see it wipe the smile off of Bugatti's smug faces after it hits top speed, in both directions of course.
TGRIP
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:12 |
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Near as makes no difference 1,5oo hp? Hennessy, go!
meachoka
> xxstich666xx
03/06/2014 at 19:12 |
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Man. I was reading reduce curb weight by not to.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Blondude
03/06/2014 at 19:13 |
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the UZ is Japans LS, its pretty tunable, especially with the Iron Block. people are getting 800-1000 hp from them.
Titanius Anglesmith
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:13 |
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BMW 2.0 liter turbo i4 makes 240 HP, not 180.
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Alternator Fax
> SV77
03/06/2014 at 19:13 |
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With a turbo a SS bike might be able to push 2hp/kg. Screw traction.
Mr-Clutch
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:15 |
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I tried the Google thing but all I get is a calculator and no explanation, I need the layman's explanation for this. What math magic should I use to get my answer.
By the way the 1 weighs 3000 lb with 1500hp and 1000 pounds of torque.
TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising)
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/06/2014 at 19:19 |
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Problem for me is the outrageously high cost of the superchargers. I just want 350hp in my tank.
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Doug Nash
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:20 |
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It should be called, One: 1*
* only in kilos
typhoonegator
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:21 |
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ooh, ooh! Do the Unimog next!
ZHP Sparky, the 5th
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:22 |
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Great article - excellent way to hit the point home on how big a deal this actually is.
Also, amazing that the Elise is 3/4 the weight of a friggin' Fiat 500! I need one. An Elise, that is.
Steve Cornelius
> BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
03/06/2014 at 19:26 |
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Here you go. Its a Lotus with 680 HP
JGrabowMSt
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:27 |
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There would be a lot less assholes on the road for sure.
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Blondude
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/06/2014 at 19:28 |
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So, anyone wanna loan me some money? I promise to repay you in free hoonage!
Flat Six
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:32 |
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The Caterham 620R gets pretty close with 310 BHP @ 545 KG. It only needs another 235 BHP.
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iliketoeat
> seoultrain
03/06/2014 at 19:34 |
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Yeah, but that's the thing - there are a bunch of liter bikes that have as much or more power than the Hayabusa. The S1000RR has as much power and is much lighter. Same thing with the Ducati Panigale.
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Who cares what the fox says?
> TheSmokingTire
03/06/2014 at 19:41 |
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Watched this a couple days ago. How much money does that guy have in that thing? Also, it wasn't clear in the video, does the supercharger disconnect when the turbos are going? Or is it always blowing?
Vexorg
> JGrabowMSt
03/06/2014 at 19:41 |
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And a lot more semi-permanently embedded in the road.
SawdustTX
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:42 |
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Interesting calling it 1:1 when it's a comparison of two numbers using different measures. Like the Lincoln currently advertising economy the same as it's price - I keep trying to figure out what that really means. For aircraft, magic is a 1:1 thrust to weight ratio (both using the same measure), which means vertical climb. Would the more appropriate automotive magic be a 1:1 rear wheel thrust to weight ratio? Or better yet, a 1:1 price to weight ratio! $3000 super car YES!!
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TheSmokingTire
> Who cares what the fox says?
03/06/2014 at 19:47 |
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I know he has an obscene amount of money into it, though I don't have an exact figure. I'm not sure if the supercharger bleeds off completely once the turbo is spooled but I don't think so. I think it actually makes less top end power now with the turbo and supercharger, and more lower end torque.
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octaneaddict
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:48 |
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God fucking damnit, stop fucking mixing units!
It is either hp/lb or kw/kg. Everything else is bulshit marketing speak that will get your mars spacecraft blown to bits because the fucking engineers couldn't agree on a unit system.
We fucking solved this problem over 200 years ago!
Hobz
> GrauGeist
03/06/2014 at 19:49 |
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Unfortunately the weight of the driver then starts to matter a lot. As soon as you get in your 1:1 suddenly turns into at least 1.5:1 :\
200hp in go-karts with motorcycle engines seem to be pretty common though, but I don't know how much traction they get with those dinky wheels!
theboyracer
> Titanius Anglesmith
03/06/2014 at 19:49 |
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Not sure where you're from, but in most markets there are 2 versions. It makes 180 in the *20 models, 240 in the *28...
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JGrabowMSt
> Vexorg
03/06/2014 at 19:51 |
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Speedbumps are a safety feature.
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GrauGeist
> Hobz
03/06/2014 at 19:52 |
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Even with the weight of a driver, a 100 hp kart would still be pretty awesome fun to drive.
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CRider
> TheSmokingTire
03/06/2014 at 19:52 |
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This is what the Venom should have been.
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Hobz
> GrauGeist
03/06/2014 at 19:57 |
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No doubt :) Probaby scary as hell as well!
smalleyxb122
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 19:59 |
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The far easier way to get your car to a 1:1 ratio is to define a new unit of power, weight, or both.
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smalleyxb122
> Duh
03/06/2014 at 20:04 |
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"Metric horsepower" is PS or Pferdestarke (German for horsepower), and varies only slightly in magnitude from HP as we know it.
Kevingalls
> TheSmokingTire
03/06/2014 at 20:04 |
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Yes but how much does it weigh? You said 2.7 lbs/hp, which means calculates the weight to around 1800 lbs, 200 more than a standard elise, and still 152 hp short of the 1:1 kg:hp ratio.
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wzzkll
> xxstich666xx
03/06/2014 at 20:05 |
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Yeah, you can multiply the power of a car relatively easily if you're willing to drop in a monster motor (would probably need a twin turbo LS V8 in this case, or for all of 5 seconds the original engine with a HUUUUGGGEEE turbo), but it's impossible to take that much weight out. Even if you carbon fiber everything, remove the body panels, roof mechanism, seats, interior, glass, suspension, and more, a real, non kiddy toy scale Miata won't weigh 128kg.
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Who cares what the fox says?
> TheSmokingTire
03/06/2014 at 20:06 |
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Yeah I bet it is simpler to not have it bleed off, but it would be better for power at higher rpm. Still, cool build. I'm thinking of doing something like that but with a much bigger engine. If I do it, and it doesn't explode, I'll let you know.
Decay buys too many beaters
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 20:07 |
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Or you cold just buy any modern 1000CC sport bike, it'll cost less too...
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seoultrain
> iliketoeat
03/06/2014 at 20:07 |
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Again, just an example. No bike out there is gonna come close to 1:1 once the rider is factored in, though the Panigale beats 1:1 without a rider.
Also:
BMW S1000RR - 193hp
Ducati 1199 Panigale R - 195hp
Suzuki Hayabusa - 197hp
It may be heavy, but it's still relevant.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising)
03/06/2014 at 20:09 |
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man, i hear that, but on the bright side, hey, be happy with what you've got! I would love to have 270 like you.
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wzzkll
> Flat Six
03/06/2014 at 20:09 |
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The Caterham Levante is basically just as you described. 520kg, "over 500hp" 2.4L supercharged V8, which is pretty spot on 1hp/kg. Insane car.
T5Killer
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 20:11 |
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It makes me LOL every time I see anything from Koenigsegg and they mention the home built V8 even if it is a lightly modified Ford Modular V8. It still shares the Ford architecture.
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RedRoab
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 20:12 |
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My car has a power to weight ratio of one... You just have to be creative with the units.
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PardonMyFlemish16
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 20:18 |
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1500 HP in a Camry... torque steer wouldn't even describe it. It would rip off the front of the car.
Weather and Darkness
> SV77
03/06/2014 at 20:19 |
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suddenly it sounds like a bargain
Goofnik
> Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/06/2014 at 20:21 |
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>What If Every Car Had a Power-to-Weight Ratio of 1?
I would stay off the streets for 2-3 months to let Darwin sort out the majority of the problems.