"Murphie" (tomforhan)
12/26/2014 at 13:43 • Filed to: None
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"Murphie" (tomforhan)
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JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t
> Murphie
12/26/2014 at 13:45 |
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Short Term Thinking Ruins Lives. Gas Will Be Expensive Again. Diesel Will Always Get Higher MPG.
HammerheadFistpunch
> Murphie
12/26/2014 at 13:47 |
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it goes up, it goes down. its about 30 cents more for me.
Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
> Murphie
12/26/2014 at 13:48 |
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That's a crazy price difference... even when you factor in the bit extra that diesel gets taxed in the US.
My citroen won't start
> JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t
12/26/2014 at 13:48 |
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Why Are We Talking Like This? Are The Germans Coming Again?
EPH
> JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t
12/26/2014 at 13:53 |
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I wouldn't be so sure. It's far worse for the environment, and the increase in MPG is offset by the additional cost of fuel and particulate filters dying with alarming regularity.
Manuél Ferrari
> Murphie
12/26/2014 at 13:57 |
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Serious question: do diesel engines cost any more to make or do car companies charge extra for the diesel models simply because they get better MPGs?
Sam
> Murphie
12/26/2014 at 14:04 |
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We're over 3 dollars here. And don't get much better mileage in the W123 than any other vehicle.
Cé hé sin
> Manuél Ferrari
12/26/2014 at 14:07 |
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Diesels cost more to make and because of emissions regulations the difference is increasing.
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Manuél Ferrari
> Cé hé sin
12/26/2014 at 14:08 |
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Interesting. If the difference is increasing then it will get harder and harder to hit ROI on purchasing a diesel car. It probably doesn't make sense for people unless they have a long commute that's mostly on the highway.
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Cé hé sin
> Manuél Ferrari
12/26/2014 at 14:20 |
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Depends on your local tax legislation. Here it's all based on CO2 so diesel and diesel vehicles are favoured. Diesel is a few per cent cheaper than petrol and initial and annual taxes on cars make diesels cheaper than they would be otherwise so the proportion of diesels is something over 70% - anything of say Focus sized or bigger is a diesel. BMW and Mercedes, to name but two, effectively sell diesels only. This isn't necessarily something which is going to continue because the current round of emissions regulations will require urea injection which is sufficiently expensive that the point at which diesels make sense is likely to go upwards.
SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
> Murphie
12/26/2014 at 14:34 |
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Shortsightedness is a dangerous thing
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Manuél Ferrari
> Cé hé sin
12/26/2014 at 14:47 |
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That makes sense. Everything depends on local legislation.
Priorities are different for different countries and states.
415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)
> My citroen won't start
12/26/2014 at 16:04 |
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Third times the charm?
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415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)
> EPH
12/26/2014 at 16:06 |
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Constantly building, transporting and dismantling these supposedly green hybrids with their batteries is a LOT less green than owning an old Mercedes diesel forever. I'm keeping mine forever, I have a fresh rebuild and not even a nuclear winter can stop me, no computers.
DipodomysDeserti
> EPH
12/26/2014 at 17:13 |
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All my turbocharged cars require 91 octane. They all get about 1/2 the gas mileage of my diesel which has the same amount of horsepower. Most cars worth driving require 91, so the cost difference isn't too much.
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EPH
> DipodomysDeserti
12/26/2014 at 19:49 |
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That's a US thing there bud; you can't buy under 95 in the UK - 99 is considered 'the good stuff'
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EPH
> 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)
12/26/2014 at 19:57 |
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Hah, I have a Volvo 240 petrol that I feel pretty similar about.
I agree with what you're saying though in the sense that I don't think hybrids are the solution - at least - not currently.
Either we need to find a way of making Hydrogen work, or find a way of producing clean & cheap electricity. At that point Teslas and such would begin to make environmental sense, as currently - aside from your battery based argument - we're just moving the problem on to somewhere else in the fuel supply chain.
Regarding diesels though - go and stand behind one. Coughing yet? Yeah, that rubbish going into the atmosphere is not going to be good news for anyone. This statement stands true for a car that has just rolled off the production line as well as your fine vintage mercedes. I think it's good to see that the tax breaks afforded to diesels are beginning to be removed. I think the fuel is still necessary, but only in marine or haulage applications.
Nowadays the march is in small turbocharged petrol engines, and these have already caught up with what diesel can produce MPG wise, and I would imagine will exceed it in the not too distant future.
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415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)
> EPH
12/26/2014 at 20:34 |
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Actually a car that has been maintained well doesn't smoke much, I have a well tuned machine, its the hippies that buy them and want to be green, yet do no maintenance and drive around town smoking that gives it a bad name, at least the W123s. Yes those volvos are on the cockroach list, still everywhere in the bay area, going strong. Making hydrogen takes as much as it gives basically so I guess some sort of hydrogen fuel cell hybrid works, the batteries these days are not really good, I saw they were testing capacitor systems on heavy trucks that stop a lot, like buses and garbage trucks. Big rigs could be so much better.
http://gas2.org/2014/01/07/air…
I used to work with solar, if it keeps getting more efficient it will be good but huge solar farms could make a lot now. Areas of Africa should be a giant array for Africa, Europe and beyond. The Germans sell 44% efficiency and claim testing in labs currently closer to 50%. But we need things in space sending energy down here to get a lot better.
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DipodomysDeserti
> EPH
12/26/2014 at 21:02 |
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I know. Pretty sure that picture is from the U.S. based in that Taqueria sign having English and Spanish on it. US gas sucks.
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EPH
> 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)
12/28/2014 at 16:24 |
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It's not necessarily about the 'smoke', but the act of standing behind one and breathing in illustrates my point quite well, the gases are quite noxious. Sure, I wouldn't want to stand behind a petrol car all day huffing it, but in preference of the two...
Yeah, I have to be honest, hydrogen's a long way off and dependent on many other issues for it to work. Interesting article about big rigs there though. I'm a firm believer in the concept that haulage - whilst very necessary - could do a lot to clean itself up, and one change like that what has been suggested there would help everybody out; lower greenhouse gas emissions, reduced demand for fuel, cheaper goods prices. It's win win.
I do like the idea of solar, but in the UK it's used only really for water heating (of which it does a very good job at!). We do have some photovoltaic panels in the garden, but the amount they put out isn't all that significant. Therein lies the current problem, producing electricity through PV panels is very expensive per unit of energy produced when stacked up against coal. This is true both of currency expenditure, but also for the amount of land required. Of course that's the obvious gain that Africa would have.