What car were you lucky to drive?

"E. Julius" (soonerfrommi) 12/19/2014 at 21:04 • Filed to: None

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Maybe you splurged and rented that exotic for a day. Maybe your best friend's dad's cousin let you have the keys to his prewar Cadillac one time. Or maybe you live the dream and own your favorite car in the world. What's the coolest, weirdest, fastest, or rarest car you've been lucky enough to get your hands on, and how did you do it?

Personally, I became a gearhead more through my own curiosity than anything else. I went to NAIAS every year growing up, but other than that I wasn't involved in any events or exposed to many people who owned anything interesting/exciting (one of the reasons I started on Oppo). So to get my hands on something fun, I had to engineer it myself through a visit to the dealer and a bit of disingenuousness.

I know it's kind of an asshole move to test drive cars you have no intention of buying and waste people's time, but I always recommend the dealership if I know people who are actually looking and I try to go off peak hours. Anyways, in a fit of boredom last spring I was able to convince some salesman that I was very seriously interested in buying an S63 AMG. After going through his song and dance for a few days, he finally let me take it home for a while. I had this baby for six hours, and pretty much spent the entire time in the car. I had my fun, watched a bit of a movie in the front seat with a friend, returned it fully gassed up (I'm not a complete jerk), and told the salesman I was going to pass.

Here's a picture of me with the car (and with some silly looking windblown hair)

What's your story Oppo?

Brian Silvestro > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:09

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Got to drive a 997 Carrera S when they gave my dad the car for the afternoon to test drive.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:09

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Has to be this.

It was glorious. My parents bought me a track day for christmas which gave me 3 laps in a ferrari 360 (which broke) an Audi R8 which was awesome and the atom which was the best thing I've ever driven.

No power brakes which shocks you into the first turn after driving the Audi which had a fairly light brake pedal. Likes to pivot and oversteer slightly but very controllable and ridiculously fast.

E. Julius > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 12/19/2014 at 21:10

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That is one awesome Christmas gift. Love it!

OPPOsaurus WRX > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:10

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I got seat time in the Yaris Evo and Subie

VonBelmont > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:11

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First car was a 1999 BMW 750il, with a V12. It was also my brothers' first car, and thanks to them the damn thing died of a transmission failure in the school parking lot three weeks after I got it. Then I got a CRV with a pitiable 4banger. Blech.

E. Julius > VonBelmont 12/19/2014 at 21:12

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Nice! I haven't driven anything with a V12 yet. On my wish list though!

E. Julius > OPPOsaurus WRX 12/19/2014 at 21:14

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In the notification it just said "I got seat time in the Yaris" and obviously no picture. I thought "man that's rough". Oh how wrong I was…

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:17

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nothing :(

the only cars I've ever driven are a pontiac montana minivan (drivers ed car) with 160000 miles on it, my moms 2005 ford escape with 136ooo miles on it, and my car, a 2000 mercury mountaineer with 170000 miles on it.

Jagvar > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:17

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I got to drive this 760Li (unsupervised) when I participated in the BMW Ultimate Drive in 2008. Needless to say, I drove that V12 barge like I stole it. And it was so comfy!

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:18

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Sure was.

jkm7680 > Jagvar 12/19/2014 at 21:19

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I'm thinking those wheels would have suited your Phaeton better...

E. Julius > Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man 12/19/2014 at 21:19

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Hey at least you've got a car of your own!

E. Julius > Jagvar 12/19/2014 at 21:21

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After driving the AMG, I think a car this size would be a bit too big for me to comfortably DD, but damn are they good for having a bit of occasional fun.

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:23

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ironically, my car, becuase mercury is slightly nicer than ford, has more features than my moms car even though hers is 5 years newer. automatic climate control (manual climate control on my moms), headphone jacks in the back (nothing in the back of hers), air vents in the back (only air vents in the front of hers). a compass, a thermometer, a little readout screen on the center console with status of the car, mpg, wiper fluid level, engine temp etc.

VonBelmont > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:25

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It's totally something else, especially since it's not really tuned for brute power as it is warm butter smoothness (+/- 300HP out of a 5ish liter V12, when it was new). It will pull like a train, but it doesn't have that "heavy" power that you get out of an American V8 of a Honda/BMW V6. It just...moved like the wind was pushing it. I don't really know how to describe it in proper terms, really.

Surprisingly, it didn't guzzle gas nearly as badly as one might think. I got low 20s mpg highway, but I'll confess to being somewhat of a pussyfoot. My brothers have lead feet (probably those damn Nikes :P) and would get something ridiculous like 15 on a good day :P

Steve in Manhattan > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:28

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When I sold real estate long ago, a client had one of these:

Fortunately she realized that I could not not drive it, so I got a few evenings with it. Dash lights were an iffy proposition at best, so I blasted down a few country roads having no idea how fast I was going. This red, black interior, inline 6, 4 speed. Other than a '76 BMW 2002, no car has impressed me more.

FromCanadaWithLove > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:28

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I know it sounds a bit sappy, but this is my daily driver. I honestly feel lucky to drive it every day. I'm still young, but hard work has paid off.

E. Julius > VonBelmont 12/19/2014 at 21:29

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Yeah the acceleration in an engine designed for smoothness is really something else. I've driven a handful of Mercedes V8s now, and I know exactly what you're talking about when you say "like the wind was pushing it". Of course the effect would probably be magnified in a V12. When I drove the AMG I think I was pushing below 10 mpg haha

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:30

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When I was in my early 20s my boss let me drive her XJS V12 convertible. My god, that engine was smoooooooooooooth.

On a related note, there was a time when my parents were on vacation so I drove dad's 525i everywhere. One day I let my 17 year old sister drive it, and after a couple of miles she turned to me and said, " my god, this is better than sex... "

44444444444 > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:30

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Volvo V70R. Completely ridiculous in how fast it is given that it is a Volvo wagon.

Saracen > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:31

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Ferrari 360 F1 Spyder

997.2 C2S Cab

Panamera 4S

E90 M3

E63 AMG, C63 AMG, SL63 AMG, CL63 AMG

RS4

BS S4

CTS-V

C6 Corvette Gran Sport

Shelby GT500

Decay buys too many beaters > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:32

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Some time recently in an E60 M5, thanks to Carmax!

and a few years back, my father's 1965 Corvair... at an autocross.

E. Julius > Steve in Manhattan 12/19/2014 at 21:32

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This is one of my hero cars. Love your story too!

Funktheduck > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:34

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I drove a NASCAR car this summer. We had many hot rods so it's hard to pin point the coolest. My favorite was my mom's 65 mustang. No power steering or brakes. A T-bucket (don't remember year). It was essentially an over built 350 strapped to a frame and seat. There was a super bee, way too fast fox bodies, and a couple el caminos. A wide variety.

Dusty Ventures > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:34

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Borrowed this for my 10 year high school reunion. For teh lulz.

E. Julius > FromCanadaWithLove 12/19/2014 at 21:35

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A younger person with a BMW (a new one no less!) that's grateful, humble, and talks about hard work? When did I enter bizzaro world?

That's awesome though, and honestly I was hoping to see something like this when I made this post. It would be boring if it was just everybody telling similar stories of the one time they drove a Ferrari or something.

FromCanadaWithLove > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:36

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<3

E. Julius > Dusty Ventures 12/19/2014 at 21:37

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Awesome

E. Julius > Decay buys too many beaters 12/19/2014 at 21:38

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I was going to say "watch out for that swing axle!", but then I realized a 65 would've had the full IRS. Still looking to get some time in an M car myself, I bet that was fun.

The Real Dacia Sandero > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:39

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I got to drive a MGB and Austin America on my birthday at a cars and coffee last year. Pics are somewhere in my post history.

PyramidHat > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:39

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Nothing quite as exotic as what's listed here, but my mother's cousin had an '89 911 convertible that he let me take around the block, a few years back...but that's about it.

I do, however, think that the next time I'm passing through Las Vegas, I'll stop at the racetrack and see if I can grab a few laps in something spicy...

E. Julius > PyramidHat 12/19/2014 at 21:40

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If I could DD any car in the world it would be an 80s 911 convertible. Was it a turbo?

Steve in Manhattan > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:41

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This was back when you could pick up a decent one for less than 25 grand. Not so anymore.

Dusty Ventures > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:44

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The real awesome is yet to come. I've been slowly working Subaru to let me drive this around for a bit

...and next time I'm in Oregon I think I'll get to have a little seat time in this:

Decay buys too many beaters > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:44

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Both were hilarious fun, the full throttle shift from first to second in the M5 (500hp+ mode with everything else set to "grrrr, I'm a racecar") is downright terrifying, and considering the weight it is amazingly well sorted chassis. I'd still rather have and E92 though, swapped cars for a bit with a friend who has one. I honestly can't think of anything better if you can only have one car.

As for the Corvair, I spun it twice. RR is such a trip to get used to driving.

PyramidHat > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:44

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No - naturally aspirated. But that didn't/doesn't matter: It was still pretty damn cool. He sold it a couple of years later, for reasons I'm not entirely sure...

E. Julius > Steve in Manhattan 12/19/2014 at 21:45

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Wow, I didn't know how much these had appreciated in recent years. There's always a nagging fear in the back of my mind that all of my favorite classics are going to appreciate out of my reach before I can afford to buy them.

E. Julius > Dusty Ventures 12/19/2014 at 21:46

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How exactly do you swing that?

stuttgartobsessed > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:46

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I once rented an F430 next to the Factory in Maranello and drove it around town, with the top down of course. At one point (I will always remember this moment) the guy decked out in Pirelli/Ferrari gear that accompanies you to make sure you don't fuck up, told me in broken english to stop in the middle of the road. He then instructed me, after much confusion about why he was demanding I go slower, to floor it and shift at redline. We held up traffic for an instant and proceeded to spin the tires and shot to 100mph very, very quickly. The sound. My God, the sound was incredible. I should also mention that it was a 10min rental. I forked over 100 of my hard earned dollars for the experience.

But yah, flooring a Ferrari in Italy is up there.

*not the actual Ferrari

E. Julius > PyramidHat 12/19/2014 at 21:47

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Definitely still cool. I wonder if he's seen the prices on classic Porsches lately…

OPPOsaurus WRX > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:48

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And this which seems kinda boring in comparison. but it's my DD

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 12/19/2014 at 21:48

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at first when you said "I let my 17 year old sister drive it" I thought you were going to say she then proceded to wreck it getting out of the driveway

E. Julius > stuttgartobsessed 12/19/2014 at 21:48

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That sounds really awesome. I may have to plan a trip out to Maranello while I'm in Europe.

E. Julius > OPPOsaurus WRX 12/19/2014 at 21:49

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Loving the steelies.

Dusty Ventures > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:50

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Four years as a rally co-driver. Plus I rode wrote this story on the GT-86 rally car last year.

OPPOsaurus WRX > Dusty Ventures 12/19/2014 at 21:51

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Hey I got a turn in that too......

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:52

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I've gotten behind the wheel of some cool stuff my dad has been looking at, mostly German and American high performance sedans and SUVs. The longer list, though, and this is the sad part, is the list of cars owned by people we know who have told my dad to bring me over to to drive them, and my dad never has. That list is insane, and I haven't yet stopped bugging him.

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:53

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I know a music professor who DD's a chevy trailblazer, and his wife has a toyota corrolla

and yet, in his garage is a 1974 porsche 911 targa, and he said he would give me a ride in it somethime (I mow his lawn, and he and my mom work together).

E. Julius > Dusty Ventures 12/19/2014 at 21:54

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I guess that makes sense haha

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > stuttgartobsessed 12/19/2014 at 21:55

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thats really cool he didn't just make you putt around at 15 mph and that he let you have a little fun in it.

E. Julius > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/19/2014 at 21:55

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What's been your favorite?

E. Julius > Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man 12/19/2014 at 21:55

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Ohhh I love the targas. Top notch.

dogisbadob > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 21:59

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nice escape

dogisbadob > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:00

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cool pants

Sn210 > Dusty Ventures 12/19/2014 at 22:00

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oh hey, I was going to say this one!

Coachrotte33 > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:00

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I was lucky enough to drive 84 Corvette to my prom. Thought I was the coolest kid on Earth. Then I went to college and realized the world of cars is much bigger than my small little town. After college I got to build wiring harnesses for a shop that did SEMA cars for Pontiac. I got to drive and 86 GN that had been chipped that the owner let the employees drive on occasion. The weirdest was a super-charged 98 Buick they used as a test bed.

Steve in Manhattan > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:02

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Restored cars that sit in garages, or private collections, are part of the problem. Fewer cars on the market, and fewer driven, means higher prices. Save cash - if the economy crashes again (and it will) that might be the time.

Dusty Ventures > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:02

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The rally community's great once you're a part of it. I wanted to borrow my buddy's rally Fiesta (located in New Hampsire) for a project, but he was going to be down in Tennessee the entire month. He tells me "no problem, you can go to my shop and get it. The key to the shop is under the rock by the door and the key to the car is in the cup holder. Have fun."

This was my garage at peak rally car acquisition. The only vehicle in the photo that I actually own is the truck in the back.

JGrabowMSt > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:02

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My boss let me drive this to lunch one day when my car was in the shop getting a new transmission.

The drive was so incredible, it's now mine.

dogisbadob > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:03

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The most prestigious thing I got to drive was a 79 W116, cheap first car test drive. The entire (dual) exhaust fell off when I entered back into the lot.

VonBelmont > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:03

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I think that's what they mean by torque, actually. That pushing feeling is the engine wanting to move forward. It can also cause the car to steer, but you kind of learn to compensate for it. The CRV's lack of torque is rather alien, I gotta say.

Most people who buy these sort of flagships tend to have enough money to pay for the gas. And the maintenance. You might be able to find an e38 V12 750 in perfect shape for <$10k, but that's most definitely just a down payment. Apparently, BMW mechanics earn somewhere around $90/hr, which is almost what a lawyer earns. Luckily, there's an indie nearby us, but you still have to deal with parts prices. Hence why we had to get rid of it.

I'll admit I'm saving my pennies for a used one regardless. At the same time, I feel kinda crappy about it because my family operates on the "To whom much is given, much is expected" rule and I'm frankly not meeting expectations. You should've seen the asspulls my brother had to do to get my dad to give him the car (in 2004ish).

E. Julius > dogisbadob 12/19/2014 at 22:05

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Lol I was waiting for that. Pink pants and proud of it!

VonBelmont > Jagvar 12/19/2014 at 22:05

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BMW V12s are the greatest engines ever. Period.

twochevrons > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:06

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Last summer, a complete stranger let me drive his Citroën DS . It was fantastic to get behind the wheel of one of my dream cars, especially considering how rare they are in the US.

I've also had the chance to drive a 6-speed E34 BMW 540i, and a rally-prepped Peugeot 205GTI, thanks to a petrolhead friend of my father's (the 540 was his daily-driver, and he built the rally car himself). Both were revelations, although at opposite ends of the fast-car spectrum, and I suppose that neither of them are cars that most people get the chance to drive.

E. Julius > Steve in Manhattan 12/19/2014 at 22:08

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Yep, lower supply. There's also the relatively recent phenomenon of classic cars as financial investments, and an anticipation of even higher prices. Hopefully the next time this house of cards falls down I'll have some cash on hand, like you said.

Sn210 > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:08

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An STi swapped wagon, a rally prepped Z, and a Yaris

E. Julius > Dusty Ventures 12/19/2014 at 22:09

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This seems like something I should get into…

E. Julius > JGrabowMSt 12/19/2014 at 22:10

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I've always been a huge SL fan. Driven the generation before and after this one, but honestly this gen is in my top three as far as looks are concerned. Awesome ride sir.

Sn210 > OPPOsaurus WRX 12/19/2014 at 22:10

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you kind of drove this too, didn't you?

E. Julius > dogisbadob 12/19/2014 at 22:11

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Good thing it didn't fall off after you bought it! I'm assuming there's no way they could have blamed you for that, right?

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > FromCanadaWithLove 12/19/2014 at 22:13

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M235 or 228 msport?

E. Julius > VonBelmont 12/19/2014 at 22:13

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I don't think that's what torque is…

Also, as cool as the V12 barges are, I don't think I'd ever want to own one. I'm more of a small/light car kind of guy. Always better to buy it yourself, don't have to put up with anybody's expectations.

Flat Six > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:14

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My 8 year old daughter and I talked the Tesla salesman into letting us take a Model S for a spin. It's not as rare as the other cars being posted, but it was sort of a lucky random beautiful weather day at the mall and was a lot of fun - quite memorable.

I was able to take a Ferrari 430 around a track a few times with Extreme Experience. Childhood wish - achieved!

I recently purchased a 2006 Porsche 911, and I feel super lucky every time I get in!

VonBelmont > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:14

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I can't imagine not being grateful for something like that. A girl in my history class got a brand-new white Boxter for her sweet 16 and she literally has the nerve to bitch about it not being a pink 911. Blows my goddamn mind!

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Brian Silvestro 12/19/2014 at 22:15

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Doesn't your dad have a 997 GT3 RS?

E. Julius > Flat Six 12/19/2014 at 22:15

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That all sounds excellent! I haven't driven an electric car yet, so that's definitely on my list. Congrats on the Porsche!

VonBelmont > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:16

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The non-boxy Mercedes coupes just don't look good. They're supposed to be excessive, not sporty.

Brian Silvestro > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 12/19/2014 at 22:16

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wut I fuckin wish bro

All he has is this

JGrabowMSt > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:16

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I just picked it up after having 100k mile maintenance done, along with some very serious other fixes. Even being cold (NJ winters are mild, but still cold for a ride like this), I was able to notice an immediate difference in throttle response and power being put down.

She's in fantastic shape, and a dream to drive. This car single handedly changed my mind about exotic cars (it's an SL600 Sport AMG, not the much more common SL500). I made the decision to buy it because I'll never find another one quite like it. It has twice the mileage of other SL600's I've heard of, and nearly 3 times the mileage of the other other SL600 Sport I've ever seen in person.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Brian Silvestro 12/19/2014 at 22:17

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Maybe I'm remembering something else, but I swear that in your Oppo review of the Boxster there was a pic of it next to a grey GT3 RS with the orange wheels.

Alfalfa > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:17

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7I once meet a guy named Jimmy Johnson (not to be confused with Jimmie Johnson). Although he wasn't the race car driver, he did have a ludicrously hotrodded f-body Camaro, with a blower that must have stuck out 12 inches above the hood. He let me do a burnout in it. He didn't just let me, he told me.

Also, I'm digging the pink pants.

aberson Bresident of the FullyAssed Committe > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:18

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I would have to say my cars

most parents don't buy their teenage son a old jaguar and even less parents let their teenage son buy a 38 year old Italian sports car with more holes than Swiss cheese

See? its legit cheese

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:18

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I've got to drive, hoon, drift, slide, jump, and abuse a '78 Subaru BRAT, that was fun. I miss that thing. That little thing could take anything a 14-15 year old could throw at it.

Nothing fancy or exotic, but I had more smiles in that thing than I ever have had in a plane or sports car. Plus it's one of like 4 I have seen in my entire life.

TheJWT > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:18

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I was hanging our at a friend's house, and his dad had just bought this car, a Charger Super Bee. We were ogling at it, when his dad came outside and said "If I didn't have a beer with dinner I'd take you for a ride... You wanna drive it?" Naturally, I said yes...

I also got to ride around the Monaco GP circuit in a Ferrari 360 Spider, but I was 12 at the time, so driving it was out of the question. The noise through the tunnel though...

Brian Silvestro > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 12/19/2014 at 22:18

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There was that picture in one of the Boxster posts. It does exist. Let me try and find it for you.

E. Julius > VonBelmont 12/19/2014 at 22:18

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The world is littered with stories like this. I wish there was some sort of "where are they now" for asshole high schoolers. Do they realize how ridiculous they were being, redeem themselves and try to avoid creating more asshole teenagers? Do they grow up to be asshole adults?

Flat Six > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:19

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It seems like BMW and Tesla have both been having tons of driving events lately. Sign up and try it out. The i3 is a blast too!

E. Julius > VonBelmont 12/19/2014 at 22:20

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The non-boxy Mercedes coupes just don't look good.

E. Julius > JGrabowMSt 12/19/2014 at 22:20

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Wow went for the big one! Even better. Nice to know these things can actually hit 100k without exploding, as so many would have you believe.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Brian Silvestro 12/19/2014 at 22:21

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I found it. It was at a dealer, for some reason I thought it was also in your family.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:21

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The high mileage 740il is tired yet laughs at advised off-ramp speeds while the v8 pulls with the best exhaust leak noise. Also I've been in a V8 taurus SHO, the yamaha v8 is a rocket with FWD.

E. Julius > Alfalfa 12/19/2014 at 22:21

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Reminds me of a time I was driving some guy's SL, and he told "You're gonna wanna slam your foot down after we get around this bend."

And thank you!

E. Julius > aberson Bresident of the FullyAssed Committe 12/19/2014 at 22:22

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Yeah I'd have to agree with you

E. Julius > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/19/2014 at 22:23

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That's my favorite part about this: doesn't have to be fancy or exotic : )

Looks like a lot of fun!

E. Julius > Flat Six 12/19/2014 at 22:24

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Will do when I return to the states.

Brian Silvestro > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 12/19/2014 at 22:24

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Damn how did you find it before me?! I took the long way out I guess, I just scrolled through six months of my own posts.

E. Julius > unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) 12/19/2014 at 22:25

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"best exhaust leak noise" this made me laugh. Also, oooooh SHO. I like.

VonBelmont > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:25

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Yeah, I'm actually looking more for 3ers. Cheaper, lighter, and more practical for a HS/college student.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:26

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It was a blast!

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > E. Julius 12/19/2014 at 22:27

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I'm lucky every time I drive the Series, if I drive nothing else for the rest of my life I'd be okay with that.

Although, getting to throw a XKR, XFR and a F-Type around an auto cross course was pretty fucking epic. Also got to meet Davy Jones (no not the Pirate captain) .