A Question for the Millennials

"KroK13" (KroK13) 12/16/2014 at 20:42 • Filed to: None

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Hey everyone! Long time no see!

I have something to ask the Millennials out there. All the old farts think we aren't into cars anymore, but I know they're wrong. Or, I think they're wrong, anyway. I was curious though, what do you guys look for in a car? What really piques your interest when you're around town or at a local meetup or show?

For me, I love old cars. I'm talking 1940's and earlier. Things like this 1940's Chevy pickup, or some of the roadsters built for the Race of Gentlemen.

I also love European cars from the 1970's and earlier, as well as some of the newer hot hatches and wagons, but especially old racers that might have competed in Gran Prix or endurance races. Things like the Porsche 904 prototype or Ferrari 330 P4.

And if I can't have that, then it's all about the tiny, cheap, tossible hatchbacks. I'm not a fan of American cars unless they're super rare, and I don't care for anything too big.

Not that any of you really care what I look for. I, on the other hand, really want to hear what turns you on (speaking strictly automobiles, of course). I'm writing up a blog post on the subject, and want to get the broadest scope possible. That, and most of my friends just want big American V8's.

So please, comment with what you appreciate in an automobile. Ready? Go!

TheJWT > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 20:50

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Originality, unless it's some insane engine swap or something. I tend to look past the LS-engined, aftermarket wheel crowd.

Mr. FiSTer of Team FiST Fetish > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 20:51

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Alright, I think I'm a millennial? What really interests me are cars that are better than they should be, more exciting than a non-car guy/gal would expect. The e90 M3 looks so innocent but hides a monster beneath it's hood, the V70R is just a soccer mom's car.. with 300hp, the Fiesta ST is a goddamn Fiesta but yet EVERYONE is talking about it. For me the best cars are the ones that no one expects to be as good as they really truly are.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 20:53

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I'm 29. I've always lusted after flagship, brand defining luxury sedans (7-series, S class, Rolls Royce anything, etc).

KroK13 > Mr. FiSTer of Team FiST Fetish 12/16/2014 at 20:55

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You're talking almost like a factory-stock sleeper? I get what you're saying, just wondering if I have a good way to describe it.

E. Julius > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 20:55

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Efficient—hybrid if possible

Customizable rims

iPhone connectivity

Social media is a MUST—if your car can't read me tweets, throw it in the crusher

Free Mumford & Sons LP + Beanie

BPA Free interior plastics

Sleekness to the body

Grounded to the ground

A hashtag so I can tweet about the car

Order online with free shipping

96 month financing lease

Navigation

Temp agencies pre–loaded into navigation system

Mumford & Sons preloaded into the infotainment system

A hashtag for the infotainment system

#Drive

KirkyV > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 20:56

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Small, light, hatchbacked, frequently FWD, and ideally with a heraldic lion on the front. Oh, and late nineties or earlier generally helps.

KroK13 > TheJWT 12/16/2014 at 20:58

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I totally feel you. Built is so much better than bought.

What about something built in low numbers though? Like that one-off Shelby prototype from a while back? ( http://jalopnik.com/5944323/ ) Or am I completely confused about what you mean?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 20:58

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Function over form. I don't care what it looks like(to a certain extent), as long as it does what it is intended to do well. I don't need heated seats, navigation, tc/sc, or a green leaf telling me I am savior of the world. I just want something that can take me pretty much anywhere I want to go, whether there is a road or not.

Mr. FiSTer of Team FiST Fetish > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 20:58

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You got it spot on, factory sleepers really do it for me.

KroK13 > E. Julius 12/16/2014 at 20:59

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[Looks skeptical.]

Funktheduck > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 20:59

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I love cars from the 60s and early 70s. Pretty much any old truck pre 1980, with a preference for fords. I love to drive cars that focus on handling. Pretty contradictory to my previous statement.

KroK13 > KirkyV 12/16/2014 at 21:00

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There is so much want in this post. You dig mostly Peugeots, or any small hatch?

DoYouEvenShift > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:02

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I don't really like old cars, I can appreciate them for their history/heritage. I think they look great also. But I'm not too big on actually driving them. I guess I've been spoiled by modern cars. I like my cars to stop, turn, and go equally well. As well as be able to start and idle on a cold winter morning. Be reliable and not need constant maintenance.

Basically, I like to spend my time actually driving them, and enjoying them. Not so much worrying about what's gonna break, if it's gonna start, or what if it gets a ding in the parking lot.

Starting from the mid 80s is when my favorite cars started to come around. EFI, OD transmissions, both auto and manual, suspension and brake's that actually had some thought put into their design.

KroK13 > Funktheduck 12/16/2014 at 21:02

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Handling + old = ?????

Scary__goongala! > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:02

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I like to see that adds on to a car are done for function. Also its nice to see when another young person has put work into keeping the whole car in good shape. Often what I see is all the money being spent on making the car "faster" but the overall condition of the car is lacking. Thats what I am trying to do at least.

TheJWT > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:04

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That thing is awesome! I meant I'm usually into cars with no mods, though I should expand that to cars with some tasteful (and necessary mods). For example, I'm in the long and expensive process of undoing the ridiculous mods the previous owner did to my car, and when I get the money, I'm buying a better version of the same engine that it came with stock. (SR20VE instead of SR20DE) That being said, I do like a few insane customs, like that Judd v8-engined BMW 1 series hillclimb car

Also, most new cars don't really interest me, I tend to gravitate towards pre-90s stuff.

E. Julius > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:05

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My real answer: I really enjoy the oddball stuff. I like things that you don't see very often, and I often love cars lots of people don't like. That being said, I do have an appreciation for the classics, and the cars that everybody knows are great. One other thing that gets me really excited is good engineering or design. Doesn't matter if it's a base trim econobox or a one–off hypercar, if something is done right I enjoy it.

As far as age is concerned, it really doesn't matter. I like 80s cars a lot but I usually enjoy looking at anything and everything at shows.

Don't like trucks.

Funktheduck > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:06

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My truck handles in the sense that it doesn't go careening off the road when I go through a turn. My mazda is better though.

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:07

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I'll voice one of mine, just because I'll be regurgitating other folks' lists if I list all of mine.

I love utility trucks.

I kid you not, first time the United States I saw one of these and it blew my mind. Look at all the drawers and practicality. Bonus points for this one being a diesel.

Pictured: HNNNGG

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:07

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Not technically a millennial but I love anything out of Detroit. Mostly 1940's-1980ish and 2010-present. I also have a deep love for anything British, and I like Porsche a lot. Also into trucks, mainly diesel. Big Motorsport fan. Prefer GM. Enjoy really anything with an engine.

scoob > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:09

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I agree with Jordan: function > form. Granted, I don't have a license yet (or enough monies), but if I did, I'd just be getting a car to use. Especially since I'd be using it in stop and go traffic to go to school and back.

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:10

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1980s Europe. Mmm. Preach it.

Luxo-barges. LS. S-Class. 7-series.

Porsches. Because Porsche reasons.

Trucks and Suburban-class SUVs. (Because I'm a Petroleum Engineering Major in Oklahoma and I feel like I have to like this.)

And super station wagons.

Last time I went to the Cars and Coffee in Irvine. I was in love with an E9 and a 190SL convertible.

I'm 19.

EDIT: OH AND MINIVANS. Siennas. Odysseys. Alphards. I love me a luxo-yacht-van.

KroK13 > E. Julius 12/16/2014 at 21:11

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Nice. I agree with everything you said.

I do have one question though, just for curiosity's sake. If you could choose only one car as a dream car (because I'm sure you could name about ten), what would it be?

KroK13 > TheJWT 12/16/2014 at 21:12

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Now I gotcha. Thanks.

MrPseudonym > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:13

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BIG AMERICAN MUSCLE IS WHAT I WANT

Money Hustard > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:14

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I barely squeak into the this generation at 31.

A car should be a feast for the senses. What I'm touching, what I'm hearing, the feedback I'm getting from the inputs, that's what I'm finding I care about most in a car.

It needs to get to get to 60 in at the most 7 seconds or be really charming to make up for it. My wife's Subaru accomplishes this.

Functionality. I fucking love capability.

KroK13 > MrPseudonym 12/16/2014 at 21:15

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Wow, you're talking real big American muscle.

Sn210 > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:15

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The quirkier the better. I'll walk past a row of C7 corvettes to go look at a W8 Passat Wagon. I love original cars too. A stock Grand National is cooler to me than a GNX clone.

Also, I love seeing exotics I grew up with

And rare concepts in museums

Branden J -Reading the Manual > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:16

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I'm 17, and personally, I'm a fan of Late 50s through Mid 70s muscle cars, anything with clean body lines (I like to keep it simple), and anything that is different or outstanding in some way (I'm looking at you, WRX in a parking lot full of brodozers).

KroK13 > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 12/16/2014 at 21:17

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You're not secretly James May, are you?

MrPseudonym > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:19

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DONT WANT THEM EURO-TRASH CARS

GOTTA GO AMERICAN.

KroK13 > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 12/16/2014 at 21:22

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What makes a super station wagon different from a non-super station wagon? I've never heard of this.

And minivans? Seriously? I've got a 2001 Sienna that is suddenly giving me all the problems, and I'm completely done with it. I used to love it, but only because it was my first car. Nearly 250,000 miles though. It's served me well.

E. Julius > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:22

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A dream car? It'd be have to be beautiful, quick, fun to drive, a convertible, and just a bit crazy.

So a white 930 turbo with black Fuchs wheels and a big ol' whale tail:

Yes I know, the lack of a roof completely compromises the driving dynamics of the car, but I'm not a track nut. I just like to drive and have fun while I'm doing it.

KroK13 > E. Julius 12/16/2014 at 21:25

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Love it. I'm more a long-nose and roof guy myself (I'm terrified of lightning, otherwise....), but I like the whale tail. Looks like a good daily driver.

E. Julius > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 12/16/2014 at 21:26

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O_O Petroleum engineering in Oklahoma… You don't happen to go to OU do you?

Alfalfa > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:26

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26, and really into a range of things. I love the box-esque figure of 80's land barges. Aside from that: all things tiny, and all things huge. My dream garage would include both a Nash Metropolitan and an AM General truck.

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:26

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I might as well be, I just took that as a compliment, haha.

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:27

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Like an E63, RS6, or M5 wagon. HAHA. I call them super station wagons.

And yes, I love minivans. My dad got a new Sienna Limited recently and my mother doesn't even know how much I love that car.

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > E. Julius 12/16/2014 at 21:27

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I go to TU. TU's better.

;D

E. Julius > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:28

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Maybe it's because I'm from Michigan, but convertibles get me every time. I cannot wait until I own one. In fact, on exceptionally nice days, I sometimes toss my regard for the value of other people's time to the wind and try and find a convertible or two to test drive.

E. Julius > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 12/16/2014 at 21:29

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Boooooooooooooooo

mer.

KroK13 > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 12/16/2014 at 21:31

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Okay, the new Sienna is a pretty cool looking machine. And given my terrifying experiences in my '01, it's probably pretty good to drive too, although I haven't had that privilege yet.

KroK13 > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 12/16/2014 at 21:32

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As should anyone, in my opinion. Clarkson's hilarious, but May is my favorite.

EDIT: I just watched that .gif a little too closely and nearly guffawed in the library "quiet room." Good choice.

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:32

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I completely agree.

AMC/Renauledge > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:35

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I'm 31, so I'm on the old end of the "Millennials" spectrum. I've also had 11 cars. All very Jalop.

My current whip is a '13 Fiat 500 5MT. It's economical, affordable, and space-efficient. But it's also fun to drive, comes with plenty of standard equipment, and doesn't look like everything else out there. I like how the body color repeats on the instrument panel and the tach/speedo needles chase each other around the dial. Like they put thought into the design. I also like that you can get any number of different interior/exterior color combos. They're not all gray, black, and white with one fun color to jazz it up. Most colors they offer are fun. Mine's powder blue.

Sure, I could have chosen a Mitsubishi Mirage or Nissan Versa instead. But those cars drive and look like appliances. And the Spark just tries too hard to be "funky" to attract "my generation" and comes off ugly instead. Bad design. Plus it doesn't come with a sunroof as an option.

If I could afford the cost of the average new car (about $32k), I'd either get a Challenger R/T 6MT with the only option being a sunroof and stripes, or a Buick Verano Turbo 6MT.

But I'm massively, massively into older cars. Oddball stuff. I had a Gremlin in high school and adored it. I fantasize about what Packard would be making today if it had survived. I lament that no one seems to be able to make a rotary engine that's as reliable and efficient as a piston engine. I look at shitboxes like the Talbot Alpine and Austin Ambassador and appreciate their creases and space efficiencies. I fantasize about buying a 5-speed 1978 Buick Skyhawk and putting a Grand National turbo V6 in it. And I really want to see a Dual-Ghia L6.4 in person at some point. I deeply desire a Lancia Hyena, a Fiat Barchetta, a 10 year-old Alfa GTV. I wish FCA would pull the GM pickup approach and give Jeep a pickup or two. I have an irrational love of the Isuzu Stylus, almost any AMC, the Lotus Excel, and the 1992-98 Buick Skylark. I miss the Grand Wagoneer. I shake my head that Buick never offered a convertible version of the very pretty 1995-99 Riviera. I secretly wish that the Renault Fuego, Alliance, Medallion, and Eagle Premier had all been more reliable and successful and that AMC would have kept the Eagle Kammback alive a little longer. I was sad to see Chrysler kill off the very confused Eagle division and made sure I got one of the last '98 Talon brochures. I also snagged one of the last '95 Alfa 164 brochures by calling the Alfa hotline I found in the back of a Road & Track at the age of 12. As a 13 year-old, I entered a Popular Mechanics contest to win one of the last Roadmaster Estate Wagons and was crushed when I lost. I am perennially afraid that Jaguar, Lotus, and Aston Martin might go the way of SAAB, which was dear to my heart (I had an '89 900 sedan). SBC's replacing Jaguar V12s makes me cry. I prefer the Series III E-Type to the 1, 1.5, and 2. And I'm quickly tiring of what Mini is doing these days, longing for a new, small car that's actually packaged like the original.

So, I'm a hot automotive Millennial mess.

KroK13 > AMC/Renauledge 12/16/2014 at 21:41

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And I thought I liked oddball stuff. A series III E-type over a series I? And I actually had to Google some of what you mention. Cool stuff, though.

Also, can I quote "hot automotive Millennial mess" for the blog? That line is just too good.

AMC/Renauledge > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:47

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Yes and yes. I like the "tougher" look of the Series III. The bigger turn signals. The taillights below the bumper look way better resolved than having them just stuck on those curvy flanks. I can't say no to a quad-exhaust outlet V12, either. Plus, with the roadster's wheelbase stretch, that hood is even longer, which makes me love it more.

And quote away.

SHARPSPEED > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:50

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19. I can't give you a definite answer since everyone makes something I like or will like.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:51

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Im happy with nearly anything wearing a Ford badge. Except mustangs. Sorry, nice cars, but i dont want something that anyone can build with a cheque book and a Year One catalog. Thatd why I like Ford/Mercury Capris, but not the mustang based ones obviously.

1969 to 1986 across three major revisions, ( MK One through Three), they almost always had manual boxes, anything from a 1300 cc V4 to special editions like the Mako V8 which packed surplus BOSS 302s, or Tickford Specials, housing a 2.8L Turbo that was tuned by Aston Martin.

Have some examples of my addiction.

PS, my SHO was originally intended to be an engine donor for my rusty Capri, so that's how that happened.

This is a MK III made famous in the TV series The Professionals. They can be identified by the "eyelids" over the headlights and the slatted grille.

This is a basic American Market MK I. No eyelids, eggcrate grille and different taillights are the easiest ways to identify it, although the MK I was completely different in almost every way to the MK II and III, the III being a facelift and fine tuning of the MK II. Being smaller than later cars and having trunks rather than a lift back hatch, they are popular among road racers and drag racers alike.

This is an American market MK II, sporti g ine of many factory available body kits, know as the X Pack.

And this is, of course, my fathers lovely 1975 Ford Capri MK II John Player Special. Questions are welcome.

Its probably time I stop making immense comments and actually write a damn article on this thing.

SHARPSPEED > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 12/16/2014 at 21:52

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For the sake of context, where do you hail from?

stuttgartobsessed > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:55

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I'm 23. I love Pre-70's european performance cars (Alfa, Ferrari, Porsche, Aston, Lamborghini, Lotus, etc). Pre-War French beauties (Delehaye, Talbot-Lago, Peugeot). Anything Citroen. Also Pre-War grand tourers/sports cars, like Rolls, Lagonda, Bentley, hispano-suiza, etc. Anything with "dual-cowel" in it really revs my engine. 40's and 50's american does it as well. Any muscle wagon will do (AMG Hammer, RS6, etc) A selection of Muscle cars and any real hybrid (Euro styling, american muscle) gets me as well.

Basically, anything unique, sexy, rare, stylish, powerful, odd, weird, or confusing will do it. DONT give me anything with lots of plastic bits, or fake lineage (modern bland car with exciting, historical name)

But I also for got all of the weird POWER sedans of the 80's (GNX, Thema 3.2, 500E, 2.5-26 Evo 2, M3 Evo, Lotus Carlton, etc)

And I've always wanted a car from the 20's.

I like something that's going to set me aside from the rest of the cars on the road, and not just something that other car people will notice. I like confusing the hell out of everyone .

Good luck with your blog!

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > SHARPSPEED 12/16/2014 at 21:56

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I'm from Thailand.

EvilSuperMonkey > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 21:58

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I've gotten really into the rat rod style. Simple and cool in my opinion.

SHARPSPEED > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 12/16/2014 at 22:03

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Ah. Always neat to see someone outside of 'Murica that's into one of the most 'Murican segments of vehicles.

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > SHARPSPEED 12/16/2014 at 22:10

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My dad is American, my mom is Thai. I was born and lived in Thailand for a good chunk of my life, so I was still able to enjoy America as a FOB, haha (everything murican is exciting).

Tim (Fractal Footwork) > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 22:10

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Old European cars for me, mostly because I never really saw them around here before. I'm kinda tired, make that exhausted, of rows and rows of muscle cars from the 60s/70s. It was so refreshing going to this new type of car show that focuses on supercars (but not exclusively) because I see things I never thought I'd see. For instance, last car show I went to, I saw some strange Alpina.

A French car... In the Midwest... Crazy!

camaroboy68ss > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 22:20

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Im 22, but Ive grown up in and around classic cars. All American cars, mainly pre war fords and all years chevy, I eat, sleep, breath classic cars. love anything American but pretty much any chevy is at the top of the list.

Brickman > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 22:30

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24 years young. Love Unimogs and Acura NSX. Definably want to restore some cars in my life time :)

I like trucks that are supposed to be trucks like old F-150s, Unimogs, original Dodge Power Wagon, etc. Cars are a bigger story. 90's Japanese vehicles would be my fave time period, Any American, German vehicle from the 40's and later. Not into model T's, hot rods, etc.

gmctavish needs more space > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 23:11

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Mostly, it needs to be a multi-sensory experience. Aesthetically pleasing. whether it be a satisfyingly practical thing, or simply beautiful. I want what I'm driving to give me feedback. Basically I can't drive modern cars, they're all getting sensory feedback refined out of them and then synthesized, I hate it. basically I like to do almost everything by feel. My favourite car was an E28 I had earlier in the year with a later M30 swapped in. No tach, no temp gauge, intermittent speedo...very manual. I need no driving aids but maybe ABS....it's saved me from a couple accidents. That wasn't very well written but I hope you get the idea

TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 23:33

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Something interesting, with a lot of style and history. Even better if the car has a certain quirk of some sort, like old Nash Ambassadors which you started by pulling the gear lever. But I'm 17, so I'll probably never be able to afford anything like that.

VonBelmont > KroK13 12/16/2014 at 23:39

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Personally, I don't care for most pre-1980s cars. They look nice, but they don't deliver on practicality. I need a modern radio, modern safety, heated seats, efficient engines, and modern reliability. I don't want to worry if my car'll break or be restricted to certain roads because of my car's handling. Muscle cars and trucks are just not my thing. Wagons are blech.

What I love are big imposing sedans with more-than-enough get up and go to be awesome: BMW's, Benz's and Bentley's. And other luxobarges. I love having my cake and eating it too.

VonBelmont > MrPseudonym 12/16/2014 at 23:49

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Freedom ain't free

bhardoin > KroK13 12/17/2014 at 00:28

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A strong personality. Something charming or captivating always makes up for any lackluster performance or appearance.

orcim > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/17/2014 at 01:29

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You sound like an old fart. (Which, in my book, automatically makes you interesting to drink beer with thought everyone once they are vetted is interesting.) Tell me - just for grins, where do you think you got that opinion about vehicles? Is there a pattern that you grew up with, or did it come out of the blue?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > orcim 12/17/2014 at 01:50

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Well, I'm only 20, so I'm not old. The first car I really drove was a '78 BRAT, and I just liked the simplicity. It was light, it was nimble, and it could take a beating. I guess I've always kind of been like that. Things are just way too complex now days, and while I do see the point of having a new car as a daily, it isn't really a need. I have plenty of fun driving slow and over things.

orcim > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/17/2014 at 01:54

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I've got the same bent and am 2 generations behind you. Was just curious.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > E. Julius 12/17/2014 at 09:11

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Ha!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Mr. FiSTer of Team FiST Fetish 12/17/2014 at 09:13

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E39 M5 will always be the ultimate Q ship to me.

KroK13 > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 12/25/2014 at 17:47

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I would take a Capri over a Mustang any day. I think they're much better looking and they have that hard-to-find factor that always appeals to me. I didn't know they ever came stateside, though.

Cool pics, too. I like that JPS Capri. I always associate JPS with Lotus, but I guess Lotus used to work with Ford, so it makes sense. I would love to read a full article. Sounds like you know a lot more than most of us.

KroK13 > TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut 12/25/2014 at 17:51

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Dude, tell me about it. I'm one of the few people I know who is already looking forward to retirement because that's when I can finally start buying some of the cars I would like.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > KroK13 12/26/2014 at 16:12

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Some Mk I and IIs came to North America, but no Mk IIIs. There are only two that the Capri Club of North America knows about, my fathers Five litre swapped animal and a bone stock '81 brought over by a German immigrant.

Considering the relatively small number imported, the lack of a massive following and the fact they rust away if not taken care of, there are VERY few left in any kind of good shape. A descent one will pop up on eBay now and then.

Most people just don't see them as particularly collectible here in NA. Over seas, they are more popular than the Mustang.