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12/12/2014 at 10:50 • Filed to: None
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"Grindintosecond" (Grindintosecond)
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During dealer service of our Rav4 (2wd 4 cylinder parentmobile) I looked over their used stock. A 2007 4runner sr5 was on the lot. 70k miles, asking $23.4 i think it was. 4.0 timing chain engine. Absolutely clean of course. I did not drive it. We are keeping our eye open for something with more room than the Rav, with a v6 and some towing capacity for my wife's dream of towing a popup camper on occasion. (not my dream but okay, it keeps her happy) this really checks my box although im trying to steer her towards a Sienna 4wd van. Anyway, I know the 4runners will last until and through apocalyptic times. By my math, after trade-in I'd be looking at about $250 a month payment plus $2,000 in sales tax and $300 license fees for the state. I don't want to pick up another payment until the Mazda is done, but I just wanted to know, how good is this generation of 4runner? Is this one of the last of the legendary 400,000 mile last forever vehicles?
[EDIT: I should say we are not going to buy given the costs of acquisition and reviewing KBB this price is quite high from a dealer but given Colorado, that's the markup for popularity]
bob and john
> Grindintosecond
12/12/2014 at 10:52 |
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more or less. timing chain motors are almost bulletproof.
Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
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12/12/2014 at 10:53 |
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I know I don't see many of those on the road, take that for what it's worth. That could be they aren't that good, or people just didn't buy them. Price seems pretty high to me for an 8 year old vehicle though. But, that's just my opinion and I could be totally wrong with that.
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Grindintosecond
> Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
12/12/2014 at 10:55 |
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what part of the country are you in? they are pretty expensive new.
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Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
> Grindintosecond
12/12/2014 at 10:58 |
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I'm in the Midlantic/Northeast. Depending on who you ask (around Philadelphia).
For some reason, I imagine the 4Runner really popular in the PNW, but I have no idea why.
Wurrwulf
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12/12/2014 at 10:59 |
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I've always heard that they are SUV Tacos, which should make them the most reliable SUV ever created. Which would also account for ridiculous resale value.
titsinmymitts
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12/12/2014 at 10:59 |
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23k seems high.
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Grindintosecond
> Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
12/12/2014 at 11:00 |
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I just checked KBB and i think it's priced pretty high but the problem in here is it's one of the National vehicles of colorado. next to a Subaru Legacy/outback/Forrester. that's probably why the markup.
NeilR
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12/12/2014 at 11:00 |
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The 4.0L 1GR-FE (254hp, 270ft-lb) is an excellent engine, though not the best available for the 4Runner. The 2UZ-FE V8 claims that title in my book.
If you take care of it, and it's had all the proper maintenance done in the past, it should last to 400k miles.
As far as price, $23.4k seems high, I'd shoot for $15k, but I have no idea what the one in question looks like. It might be a unicorn for al I know.
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Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
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12/12/2014 at 11:06 |
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Yeah, that's a hell of a markup. I just checked KBB for my area and fair price from a dealer would be $18,787. With a 5k difference that's when it makes sense to take a road trip.
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Grindintosecond
> Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
12/12/2014 at 11:08 |
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Yup. CO is a state that uses chamical ice melt instead of salt on the roads...so our cars last a long time. the trick is to find a used car that has never seen a salt state.
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Grindintosecond
> Wurrwulf
12/12/2014 at 11:09 |
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They are the closest thing to getting a real Hilux in the states...cause they are a Hilux just an SUV.
HammerheadFistpunch
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12/12/2014 at 11:17 |
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That generation is very popular and durable. Not a lot to go wrong on the SR5 model. They wont be quick, and like you said there is a western state markup tax, but on the bright side, if you hated it you could literally turn around and sell it for what you bought it for in a year. As long as the maintenance is kept up on those, they hold value (especially where you live) like nobodies business. I would steer you away from the AWD sienna based on the fact that it requires 17.5 inch run flats because the rear diff is where the spare would be. Expensive tires.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Wurrwulf
12/12/2014 at 11:18 |
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Better than Tacos actually, they are essentially land cruisers. Fully boxed frames, stronger transmissions and differentials. Tough suckers.
Textured Soy Protein
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12/12/2014 at 11:54 |
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4Runners hold their value really well, but that price is pretty high.
I had a '99 Grand Cherokee that I replaced with a '99 4Runner Limited, which the dealer took back because it turned out to have a bad transmission. I then almost bought an '05 4Runner Sport from the same dealer, until they revealed to me that the 4wd low range was not engaging.
I'm not sure a 4th gen ('03-'09) 4Runner will meet your desire for more room than a RAV4. The 4Runner is a lot bigger on the outside, but the body-on-frame truck platform is much less space-efficient inside than a unibody RAV4. The 5th gen ('10-up) is a lot taller and roomier inside.
I had a hell of a time finding a 4Runner with the options mix I wanted in the price range I was looking at, so I went for an '05 Grand Cherokee instead. Grand Cherokees are unibody and a lot more space efficient inside than 4Runners. The 4th gen 4Runner is 4 inches taller than my '05 Grand Cherokee but far less spacious.
All Grand Cherokees are standard with full-time 4wd, which was the case on the 4th gen 4Runner, but on the 5th gen Toyota cheaped out and you can only get full-time 4wd on the Limited. Grand Cherokees have an optional Quadra-Drive 4wd system with automatic locking front and rear differentials—4Runners have open front and rear differentials and traction control. The '09 Trail Edition has a rear locking differential but these are rare and expensive.
But, the 4th gen 4Runner is typically very reliable, and even the base models come standard with full-time 4wd with a Torsen center differential. If you're still interested in them, the two most common 4th gen issues are:
You have to engage 4wd low range every once in a while to keep it happy. If you never use it, sometimes it won't want to engage anymore. Also sometimes the actuators for low range just go screwy anyway.
Avoid the Limited V8 with the optional rear air suspension. The height control sensors can go bad, which makes the whole system go haywire, and fixing it gets expensive quickly. The OEM struts and air springs are pretty damn expensive too. Nothing wrong with a Limited V8 as long as it doesn't have the air suspension.
E92M3
> Grindintosecond
12/12/2014 at 12:47 |
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Not necessarily true. I lived there for 3 winters. That stuff makes chrome peel off emblems and rusted out the exhaust on my 2009 MDX (of which I only had for 2 of those winters). I was obsessive about running it thru touchless washes after every snow storm too.
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Grindintosecond
> Textured Soy Protein
12/12/2014 at 18:02 |
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thank you very much for this info.
wantafuncar
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12/12/2014 at 21:49 |
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that seems like a high price, but they are hard to find cheap.
a few years ago, I lucked into a 2007 v8 full time 4wd with 38k for $22k out the door. Unfortunately, it was totalled last year in a random 4 car pileup. We put about 60,000 or 70,000 miles on her with no trouble outside of maintenance.
It was a great vehicle - near perfect for what it is. I miss that truck. I would highly recommend that generation of 4runner. In my opinion, the v8 and the full time 4wd are superior... the v6 and the 4wd system on it are good, but not what the v8 was/is. v6 will get better, mpg and either should last forever.
For what it is worth, I used to tow a double axle trailer, estimated weight of 4,500lbs-5,200lbs for church at least once a month. That T4R towed it like nothing — most folks couldn't believe it. I was the only guy on the rotation without a full size truck, and the T4R seemed to do better than some of the full-size guys. It was retarded good offroad for a stock truck — with all seasons, it was barely breathing in approx 12" of snow; also took it out on the beach multiple times and the T4R didn't even break a sweat.