"FalconHoon" (falconhoon)
12/11/2014 at 10:58 • Filed to: None
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"FalconHoon" (falconhoon)
12/11/2014 at 10:58 • Filed to: None | 4
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Pretty sure they are Soarer engines but awesome none the less
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Leon711
> FalconHoon
12/11/2014 at 10:59 |
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bundle of snakes.
RazoE
> FalconHoon
12/11/2014 at 11:00 |
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The MKIII Supra in Japan could be had with the twin turbo 2.5L 1JZ-GTE. It also had a 2.0L 6 cyl twin turbo (1G-GTE) engine pumping out all of 215 horsepower.
Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
> FalconHoon
12/11/2014 at 11:07 |
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I'm too lazy to click, but what is he going to put it in? That looks awfully big when everything is all said and done.
Cool project though.
SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> FalconHoon
12/11/2014 at 11:07 |
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Sexy, but I'm confused about why they have the exhaust on the inside. It looks like they built it backwards. I'm sure that they know more than me though since they managed to make it work.
Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready
> FalconHoon
12/11/2014 at 11:08 |
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Mathematically, you are wrong.
RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> FalconHoon
12/11/2014 at 11:13 |
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1JZ+1JZ=11JZ. Yes. This one goes to 11.
Party-vi
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
12/11/2014 at 11:17 |
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The same reason BMW is putting turbos in the valley of their V-engines; it's easier to plumb the exhaust and intake for turbo applications doing so.
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> Party-vi
12/11/2014 at 11:21 |
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Yeah, you can do a hot V with it, but if you package it the other way, you can do two smaller turbos for less lag since you don't have to worry as much about the heat. For a tube-frame race car, I don't think that intake or exhaust plumbing will be that huge of an issue since it's a purpose built race car instead of a street-focused car.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
12/11/2014 at 11:22 |
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Either there was some secondary reason, or it's something really simple like oiling working much better with one 60 degree tilt than the other. In fact, that's the most likely to me. I think they got the timing/etc. right by having the head outright backwards, so the block for one bank may be semi-backward as well - the whole setup is tilted similarly for both sides, in other words. The 120 degree config was chosen for balance, one assumes (it's one of the inherently stable arrangements for a V6, after all), and I assume the crank is common journal between the two banks like any standard V because that'd be best - which if the crank offset to cylinder from end is different between front and back is another argument for it being one block backwards - easiest way to have the conrods line up that way.
HammerheadFistpunch
> FalconHoon
12/11/2014 at 11:22 |
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but...um...Toyota already makes a 5 liter v12 made from 2 banks of I6....
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Party-vi
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
12/11/2014 at 11:23 |
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It might be for visual effect as well, but I'm thinking it's getting one big turbo too.
You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/11/2014 at 11:35 |
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V angle doesn't matter on a V12 as the I6 is already inherently balanced. V angle for a V12 is either dependent on engine family architecture or picked for packaging purposes. My guess is that the 120 V is easier to fabricate and possibly needed to fit the exhaust plumbing into. As an added bonus it keeps the weight ever so slightly lower than a 90 or 60 degree V.
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You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much
> HammerheadFistpunch
12/11/2014 at 11:37 |
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The engine is capable of running on a single bank of 6 cylinders should a malfunction occur.
Cool.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much
12/11/2014 at 11:38 |
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yeah, its basically just what this guy is building. I have actually been tempted on more than one occasion to buy a front cut and do a cruiser swap, since its the same transmission in my cruiser and would...with some mods...bolt right up.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much
12/11/2014 at 11:42 |
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V12s are often in 60 degree or 120 degree just like a non-balance-shafted V6. They don't have to be, for the reason you state, but if relative timing of the cylinders is such that it's (effectively) also a pair of balanced V6s, it should effectively damp the hell out of any vibrations attempting to start shit, even more so than just being a pair of I6s. If you have a second mode by which everything is first-order balanced, it's *even better*, in other words, regardless if your primary system is first and second-order balanced already.
Mattbob
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
12/11/2014 at 12:00 |
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From the reddit:
"Put the exhaust ports to the center just for giggles."
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Mattbob
> Party-vi
12/11/2014 at 12:00 |
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http://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comment…
he says just for giggles.
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Party-vi
> Mattbob
12/11/2014 at 12:06 |
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Giggles is best reason.
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FalconHoon
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
12/11/2014 at 18:01 |
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I assume it is going to be mid-mounted, could have something to do with packaging constraints or maybe just because it is reminascent of old V12 F1 Cars
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FalconHoon
> RazoE
12/11/2014 at 18:02 |
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There you go. in Australia I'm pretty sure the Mk3 got the 7M-GTE
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FalconHoon
> Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
12/11/2014 at 18:03 |
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Tube frame race car was as specific as they got
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FalconHoon
> Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready
12/11/2014 at 18:04 |
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Yes. But so are you.
Frank Grimes
> FalconHoon
12/15/2014 at 03:53 |
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I want a v8 of honda k series for my miata.
SJGeorge94
> FalconHoon
12/15/2014 at 04:50 |
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I've always thought that a v12 1jz was just a 1gz-fe since its a 5.0 v12 and the 1jz is a 2.5 inline 6, plus toyota being toyota they would just put two of there straight 6s together instead of developing a whole new engine?
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FalconHoon
> Frank Grimes
12/15/2014 at 12:09 |
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Is the K-series superior to the F20C?
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FalconHoon
> SJGeorge94
12/15/2014 at 12:14 |
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they have very different bore/stroke measurements which leads me to believe that is not the case
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SJGeorge94
> FalconHoon
12/15/2014 at 12:19 |
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should have googled it but wow that means the 1gz-fe is real is that special for them to not have derived it from another motor
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Frank Grimes
> FalconHoon
12/15/2014 at 14:28 |
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frome the little I have read it is. I dont remember why but something to do with where it makes the torque.