Something I don't understand

"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno) 12/10/2014 at 12:22 • Filed to: None

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When people complain about other people who buy cars that they don't "need." Which usually around these parts (or enthusiast sites/blogs in general) are people complaining about people buying SUVs.

Yes, these people don't need these big, expensive, body-on-frame trucks, but they want them. It's just the same as people wanting a Corvette or Miata. They don't need sporty 2-doors, but they want them. If we all didn't want or buy something more than we needed, we'd all be driving Malibus or Camrys around, and what fun would that be?

So let the people in their SUVs enjoy them, and you enjoy your sporty hatchback or whatever you drive. If they're happy and you're happy, who cares what they're driving?

Unless they cut you off without a blinker while on the phone, then give the hell. A lot of it.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:25

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Sometimes "don't need" is used as an euphemism for "are making up for their insecurities and societal issues with". This is one of the cases.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 12/10/2014 at 12:27

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Or, some people, such as myself just like driving big cars.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:28

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I'm with you. I don't NEED a pickup truck, but my next vehicle will probably be a Canyon.

I tow once a year so I don't need a full size pickup.

It gets 1 less MPG than my 07 Milan and has the ability to tow that 1 time a year, and it has 4x4.

win all around

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:29

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Because the mentality that "bigger is safer" makes everyone else more unsafe.

deekster_caddy > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:29

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Part of the reason people get upset is when they see waste. A lot of waste. All the gas wasted by driving around 6,000lb when you could be driving around 3,500 lb affects all of us indirectly (actually, directly). The safety complainers come out when somebody driving a small car was killed by somebody driving an SUV, etc.

I'm not one of those complainers, BTW, I have a '73 Buick and until just recently always had a truck of some kind. However, now I use electricity and a teeny tiny bit of gas instead of driving a hog getting 11 MPG. The gas money wasn't killing me, I could afford it, but the associated waste never made me happy. I don't DD my '73 LeSabre (although I used to , and it gets a lot better MPG than the 11 MPG trucks I had), so it's gas use although poor is negligible.

I try to convince car-shopping people who value my opinion that they want to buy a good mid-size/large car instead of a minivan/SUV because better handling, tire wear, brake wear, fuel consumption etc. But if they want the big thing than you are absolutely, right, that's what they want. My wife and I both don't like minivans, she has a Passat Wagon as DD and I have my Volt to DD, both small cars. If we need to move a lot of people it takes less gas for us to take both cars than to drive my old Yukon anywhere. If I need to tow my trailer I bring out the old Buick...

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 12/10/2014 at 12:30

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I don't NEED a Trailblazer or any other SUV I've been looking at, but I like being high off the ground and having available 4-wheel drive for when shit gets a little hairy. Plus on top of that I just like driving big cars since that's all I've ever driven.

DoYouEvenShift > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:30

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I don't have a problem with them as long as they can drive it properly.

Hiroku > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 12/10/2014 at 12:31

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They make it impossible for me to see more than a few meters in front, as they take up the entirety of my windscreen if I'm less than 100 meters behind them in my normal-sized car.

They will likely kill me if they crash me in their 3-ton vehicle whose bumper sits about level with my face.

They drive like they own the road, since their vehicle is massive and can just "intimidate" you to get out of your lane.

They make my eyes hurt.

So yeah, I have big problems with SUVs and people who buy them. Fuck them.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:33

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I get irritated when some jackball with one child, no pets, and an office job says they "need" a Yukon XL Denali. They'd do just as well in a small sedan.

Someone buying a 5500-pound SUV they don't need and saying they "need" it? Asshole

Someone buying a 5500-pound SUV they don't need and admitting they just wanted it? Acceptable.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:33

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I miss the 4x4. I really do.

I went from 2 4x4 blazers in a row (88 2 door s10 and an 04 4 door s10) down to a 07 Mercury Milan FWD V6. Sure it feels like it handles like a RACE CAR in comparison lol but it has no STRENGTH to it. You know what I mean? The Milan has done fine in the snow with good all season tires.

My wife's Commander is nice but it has zero power with the 3.7L V6. I even told her when we test drove it, I could never have it be my primary vehicle, it's way too slow. She loves it though.

I love the look of the Canyon, I must have one. I want to get one in probably 3-4 years, I'll prolly get a good used one then.

Funktheduck > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:34

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I didn't need to buy a brand new car but that new car fulfills my needs and wants and then some. I haven't had anyone give me crap about buying new though.

With that said as an enthusiast community people do tend to be harsh towards each other

bob and john > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:36

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I dont need a car.

So I have a motorcycle :P

Milky > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:39

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"I just like driving big cars since that's all I've ever driven."

HammerheadFistpunch > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 12/10/2014 at 12:40

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I think that's a hellava big over-generalization.

OPPOsaurus WRX > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:40

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I needed a WRX. there is no debating that.

HammerheadFistpunch > Hiroku 12/10/2014 at 12:42

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HI!

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:42

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I wouldn't give someone shit for buying an SUV, but I strongly dislike them personally.

For Sweden > HammerheadFistpunch 12/10/2014 at 12:42

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People who do things I don't like have inferior genitalia.

HammerheadFistpunch > deekster_caddy 12/10/2014 at 12:43

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I really wish I had a cheaper DD than the cruiser, but the wife wont allow a 3rd car...so its what I have to deal with. On the waste side of the equation as least we are balanced in that her car is a TDI.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Hiroku 12/10/2014 at 12:43

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By the same token, I have big problems with Camrys, Corrollas and Priuszzzzzzzz.

They are appliances, therefore they attract a certain breed of people. The ones who are sitting 20kph under the limit in the fast lane, and then spped up to prevent you passing. The ones who have so little confidence in themselves that they are a complete and utter hazard on the road. The ones that are so terrified that they cannot move one finger towards the signal stalk. The ones who, in the snow, crawl along at 10kph and make every movement jerky.

Is it a generalization? Yes. There are plenty of people who buy them for the alleged reliability who don't fit this pattern. But your comment is also a generalization. Just be aware of that.

Textured Soy Protein > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:43

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I don't need either of these wastes of money.

Generally, my attitude is let the people drive what they want. If that's what makes them happy, great.

I don't need my 135is to drive to work, but it's fun to apex corners and drive like an ass while listening to the M Performance exhaust make lots of noise.

I don't need my Grand Cherokee's three automatic locking differentials to make it through a 6" snowstorm, but it's nice to have them to REALLY make it through a 6" snowstorm.

So while I do still kinda cringe at folks who say they "need" a full-size SUV or pickup for regular commuter duty, or they "need" a Tahoe because they just had their second kid and heaven forbid they drive a minivan, or that's just what their preference is, I don't really have any ground upon which to stand.

Big Bubba Ray > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:44

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The only time I complain about people buying cars they don't "need" is when people with one kid buy a minivan. Maybe I just don't understand it. You have one kid. What are you doing with one kid and a minivan that you can't do in a normal old sedan?

E30Joe drives a Subaru > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:47

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I don't understand the purpose of them.

Why not just get an actual truck?

LappingLuke > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:50

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Also, how do these people know SUV drivers *don't* need them?? If they saw my dad get out of his Suburban at Wal-Mart by himself how would they know that he had a wife and 5 sons? With all of us in it, it gets 147 people-miles per gallon which is tough to beat so even the gas guzzler argument falls flat. The moral of the story is, lots of people have big families. Like, lots of people.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:51

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I know this isn't the gist of what you're saying, but stop right there. You're correct. You don't need a Trailblazer. NOBODY needs a Trailblazer. They're truly awful vehicles. Everyone I know who's had one has had nothing but issues. And several of these were brought brand new. The ONLY redeeming factor of any Trailblazer is the SS model, and only for the engine. The vehicle wrapped around it is absolute shit.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 12/10/2014 at 12:52

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This. Exactly. Do I need my truck? No. Usually I could what I carry in the trunk of an ordinary car. Snow tires do more than 4x4. Mileage is not good.

But:

I like Pickups. I just do. I like the driving position, and modern GM trucks (don't know about the others, except F150. Was good.) are very nice to drive.

I wanted RWD, V8, and because of that combination in snow, I wanted part-time 4x4 as well. Only comes on trucks.

I don't give a hang about mileage. I go by how long it takes me to use a tank. My commute isn't long=I'm not hurting.

So there.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Hiroku 12/10/2014 at 12:54

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whoa, whoa, whoa

they take up your whole windscreen at 100 meters out?

You need to get your eyes checked or realize that you're only 1 meter off their bumper not 100.

Also I think you should be upset about certain asshole drivers not at SUVs

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 12/10/2014 at 12:55

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Interesting. Anyone I know has had no issues, and they say that anyone know who had one feels the same.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Milky 12/10/2014 at 12:56

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No, that's called "comfort zone".

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:57

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I do not object to the idea of using a luxury car/sports car/SUV as a commuter/DD. Don't listen to people who complain about "wasting a car's potential". Drive whatever makes you happy.

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/confessions-un…

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > E30Joe drives a Subaru 12/10/2014 at 12:58

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sometimes you actually get more usable hauling space inside a long wheelbase suburban than a full 4 door truck.

A lot of the 1500/150 trucks are impossible to find in long bed and full 4 door cab. Some people want to be able to haul + carry around lots of people with the same vehicle. Would you say it's more practical to buy an actual truck AND a minivan? Most can't afford 2

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 12:58

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I would point you in the Clarkson direction, so I'm stealing his analogy.

It would be like clomping around in ski boots all year long because you take a vacation every year to Steamboat Springs.

This is why I didn't start by buying a new F-150. I bought a 20 year old F-150 that only gets used for Home Depot and towing the car, and cost a hell of a lot less. And then for everything else, I have something more reasonable (A Mini).

But if you *want* to clomp around in ski boots all year, that's fine. But don't get surprised when some people do question your judgement.

Not on the SUV. The Ski Boots.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 12/10/2014 at 12:58

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Aww, come on. If he recognizes his generalization (not sure he does) leave him alone. We all have prejudices based on driving habits we see where we live.

Agree on the eyes checked part though.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. 12/10/2014 at 12:59

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How? Because people drive more recklessly in bigger cars? Those are the people who would drive like that no matter what they're in.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 12/10/2014 at 13:01

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that's all well and good but all I can imagine is 100 meters is longer than a football field (which is 100 yards), I mean....a semi truck or dump truck doesn't take up your whole windshield at that distance I can't imagine a suburban doing it at even 10 meters

BigBlock440 > Hiroku 12/10/2014 at 13:04

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You could always stop tailgating. Then you could, you know, see.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 12/10/2014 at 13:05

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Commander with the 3.7? Oh my.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 12/10/2014 at 13:05

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As a for instance, my Mother's 2003 (?) has 70k on it. It's been through three AC compressors, the whole front end (suspension) has been rebuilt twice, the rear wiper works when it wants to (as does 4wd), and the transmission only shifts when it's warm.

Another one bought from the same dealer at the same time (stepfather's business partner) had lost its 4wd and had front end rebuilt before he got rid of it with 40k on it.

Could it be a bad batch, sure. I'd like to think there's a reason that they (GM) decided to name the vehicle that proceeded it completely different. And that reason is people associated that vehicle (and the 72 other rebadged variants) as having a deservedly bad reputation.

BrtStlnd > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 12/10/2014 at 13:05

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Here's what everyone hates to hear about why people buy large SUVs... they actually DO make life easier on parents, especially those that are upgrading from sedans or hatches. You absolutely can make a smaller car work for your needs, but many people enjoy having the extra room and utility that comes with a larger vehicle. Yours is an ignorant oversimplification of a stupid stereotype perpetuated by REAL JALOP BROS.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Funktheduck 12/10/2014 at 13:06

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I'm kinda surprised no one has given you crap for buying new. Usually people are like "Yeah but you could've got this 100,000 mile M3 for the same price!!!" That's good though that you haven't.

Party-vi > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 13:06

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The Pilot is fat and bulgy and handles like Louie Anderson on a unicycle, but it's also comfy and smooth and has heated seats to make my butt happy. My E46 is the exact opposite.

FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 > Hiroku 12/10/2014 at 13:06

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HI!

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 13:07

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Because a soccer mom gets a big, heavy car because it's "safe", but so do all the other soccer moms, so there is overall a higher chance of getting in an accident with a giant heavy car.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 12/10/2014 at 13:07

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Yes, it is. Specifically, 100m=109.36 yards. A 57' semi is just 19 yards before the tractor unit...

I didn't bother with any calculations before my first comment, but yeah, the 100m thing is ridiculous.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 12/10/2014 at 13:09

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sometimes you actually get more usable hauling space inside a long wheelbase suburban than a full 4 door truck.

If you need interior hauling space, may one recommend what has been used for the last 50 years in the US and is now updated for the modern era?

Want to tow? Get a pickup. Want to haul? Get a van, man.

A lot of the 1500/150 trucks are impossible to find in long bed and full 4 door cab.

I don't think Ford/GM/Chrysler sell a 1/2 ton with a crew cab and 8 foot bed (Normally it's limited to regular cab + 8ft box or crew cab + 6.5ft box. If you do the extended cab, you might be able to do an 8ft box in a 1/2 ton). If you want that, they have wonderful HD pickups that you can buy for a lot more money...

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > Hiroku 12/10/2014 at 13:09

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well your just a cup of fun!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Milky 12/10/2014 at 13:09

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I wasn't. Being ignorant would be I like them because they're safer.

FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 12/10/2014 at 13:09

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Right and to take the metaphor a little farther, driving a sports car around all year is like wearing a speedo around all year.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > OPPOsaurus WRX 12/10/2014 at 13:10

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Well with a screen name like that, duh.

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 12/10/2014 at 13:12

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SUV FOREVAH111111!!11!1!1!1!1!1!!

FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 13:13

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I've made this point many times on this site. Its 100% hypocritical to critique people for owning a SUV if you are a fan of sports cars. They are both specialized cars for specialized duties that often don't get used to their full potential. Drive what makes you happy and welcome the fact that in the US, we can for the most part, drive whatever the hell we want.

Now to go look a deuce and half listings...

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 12/10/2014 at 13:13

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I agree it gets a bad rap, and I obviously realize that there has to be some basis for the claim, but even taking into account the fact that bad news spreads faster, I just don't get the division on this car (not poking at you here). Some people are adamant that they have never had a problem, others (who are numerous enough that I would say they couldn't ALL have lemons) who claim it as the most unreliable car ever.

Hmm.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Big Bubba Ray 12/10/2014 at 13:13

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My parents were those people kinda. But, they planned on having another kid and needed something ASAP since my baby seat didn't fit in my mom's SC2.

HammerheadFistpunch > FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 12/10/2014 at 13:13

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new hood? Haven't seen that yet.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 12/10/2014 at 13:14

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And if you live in South Florida, that's a-OK. But having driven a Z4 in the snow, (not mine, my mother's Z4. With snow tires. In Chicago.), it's...ahem...yeah. (I've also driven my G35 in the snow, on summer tires, and that was an exercise in controlling momentum...)

But at some point, you have to admit that it is a bit ridiculous, and put your pants and polo shirt on and go back to your office job.

FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 > HammerheadFistpunch 12/10/2014 at 13:14

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hah yeah, was a summer modification. Still need to do a write up. I think it came out pretty good for being done with home depot supplies.

HammerheadFistpunch > E30Joe drives a Subaru 12/10/2014 at 13:15

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but....you drive an SUV....

Surely the Impreza wagon or sedan would have served the need just as well...if not better.

/devilsadvocate

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 12/10/2014 at 13:16

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I hear mixed things about the Trailblazer and any of its brothers, but anyone I've ever talked to who owned one never had any problems with it.

HammerheadFistpunch > deekster_caddy 12/10/2014 at 13:16

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on a related note, even though the cruiser gets shit mileage...its 255k miles young so no need to print out a resource wasteful new car for me thanks. You're welcome environment.

BrownMiataDieselWagon > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 13:17

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Agreed. I like SUVs. It shouldn't matter if I only take my Wrangler off-road 10% of the time. Yet I still get shit about it being a "mall-crawler". Yet people who take their M/AMG/S/RS/STi/SRT/etc. to the track only 10% (or not even at all) don't get judged at all.

HammerheadFistpunch > FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 12/10/2014 at 13:17

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im not seeing a problem with that....WHAT?! its a comfort thing!

Zohaibman72 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 13:21

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Thank you!

My Grandpa has probably never said he "Needs" his Mazda CX-9 but if he knew how to get on Oppo he'd probably see the flak the CX9 gets.

The Mazda 5 is small. The CX9 looks a million times better and its just and overall nicer vehicle. We needed a 7 seater, but most people in my family hates the looks of Minivans and how they drive. My Mom used to own a dodge caravan and after that she said she is never buying another Minivan, she despises them.

It's personal prefrence, its why articles like the "just buy the damn minivan" bother me. Even if an SUV isn't any less soccer-mom than a Minivan, it's still more luxurious, bigger and usually have better styling.

Also, in my opinion the 7 seater CX-9 is too small for my Grandpa, he needs something like a Suburban or Yukon XL for what he puts in it. If there was a 7 seater pickup truck, it would be his vehicle.

HammerheadFistpunch > FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 12/10/2014 at 13:21

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The irony is dripping off the sides, but it looks great.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 12/10/2014 at 13:22

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Yeah but those aren't practical for family life. Yes I know they come in formats for lots of seating but it's really only a commercial vehicle. It doesn't come with amenities a modern family would want. And I hedged my bet on the long bed and said they're impossible to find because I was pretty sure it wasn't available but didn't feel like doing the research.

A modern full size SUV gives you the comfy seats for the kids, entertainment features to keep them quiet and can tow and haul. No it can't haul inside as much as the full size Transit van, but it's more practical for a multipurpose application.

472CID > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 13:24

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I totally get this question. One thing I'd point out is posers. For example big bro trucks that are lifted to the sky with mudder tire etc that have never seen so much as a puddle. On the same token you could have a Lamborghini that never sees anything faster than 55mph. Having a excessive car is ok with me if it's used appropriately.

One other thing, I just don't see the appeal of driving a big diesel truck.

HammerheadFistpunch > Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. 12/10/2014 at 13:25

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This stereotype is literally as old as "punks with boomboxes are all up to no good"

HammerheadFistpunch > Textured Soy Protein 12/10/2014 at 13:26

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hows the GC treating you, did you get the new tires you wanted from the dealer?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 13:26

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Much noise, little move, so sad.

It's a nice truck overall though. It feels firmly planted, which is a huge upgrade from her bubble 1st Gen Jeep Liberty (which had the same god damn 3.7L in it), the interior is great because mainly I don't expect a Commander to have the soft touch dash of a freaking Bentley (...some people....) Seats are nice for even long rides, and we've had 6 foot tall people sit in the backseat with great leg and head room, I didn't even have to move my seat up.

I'd prefer one of the V8's with the better 4x4 though.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > 472CID 12/10/2014 at 13:30

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I don't even mind bro trucks as long as the driver doesn't drive like a flaming douche.

Plus, uh, this parks in my driveway.

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > HammerheadFistpunch 12/10/2014 at 13:30

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It doesn't change the fact it happens.

Also those damn kids with their hippity hop boxes need to get off my lawn.

DoYouEvenShift > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 12/10/2014 at 13:31

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I have one. No issues. Theyre pretty popular where I live. They very rarely need anything other than routine maintenance. I work at a busy full service shop that sees every type of vehicle.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 12/10/2014 at 13:32

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There's a black Commander with a Hemi that a teacher here drives, I really love how they look. The soft touch dash is surprising, but a lot of Chrysler products I've ridden in have really comfy seats.

Oh yeah, and it looks SO MUCH BETTER than the Durango of the same time.

FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 > HammerheadFistpunch 12/10/2014 at 13:33

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it was a bit preemptive since the GM powertrain hasn't gone in but the clear coat was pealing pretty badly.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 12/10/2014 at 13:34

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To be fair to SUV's, 9.9/10 they are also 150% more practical than a sports car.

HammerheadFistpunch > Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. 12/10/2014 at 13:34

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Game predicting octopi also happen.

472CID > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 13:36

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If it sees mud/rock/whatever occasionally then more power to you. If it doesn't, I'll think less of you (and everybody knows there's nothing worse than a stranger on the internet thinking poorly of you)

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 13:37

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Off, but sort of on topic, I found the Safari replacement you need, screw an Escalade, check this bad Duramax out. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-…

Skylight, bed, diesel, and a flat screen, what more could you need.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/10/2014 at 13:38

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Holy shit, that thing is loaded. That'd make an epic road trip vehicle.

Nibby > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 13:40

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I drive a Toyota Sequoia because I need the storage for dead hookers.

thebigbossyboss > FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 12/10/2014 at 13:40

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I tend to find sports car drivers to be more aware of their cars than certain types of SUV drivers. When you drive a lowered car whose roof doesn't come up to certian SUV beltlines, it makes a big difference as to which I'd rather be around.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 13:40

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haha, i'm saying it's the opposite of soft touch, because it's not a Bentley. It's rock hard plastic lol. Seems very Jeep with exposed alan wrench bolts holding it together.

If you like his black one. Check this one out, they can be serious off roaders:

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > deekster_caddy 12/10/2014 at 13:40

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I'm with you 100% I used to daily drive a Dodge Challenger SRT8 and I could afford the gas but one day it struck me.

I was like "I'm so fucking stupid. I'm driving with the cruise on @ 65mpg to and from work everyday and I'm using about 50hp of the 425hp available. What's the point? I could easily do the same thing in a 100hp Fiat 500." 2 months later I sold the Challenger and I bought a 2013 Ford Fusion 1.6L and now I'm enjoying my 35+mpgs.

Yes I could of got a Fiat 500 but I'm trying to start a family so it wouldn't work for us a year from now but I still feel like I made a sensible choice and I'm doing my part for a better tomorrow.

My next car will be a Tesla Model 3

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 13:41

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Tune it with EFI-Live and have some fun trolling ricer's.

thebigbossyboss > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 12/10/2014 at 13:41

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Ohhh Mercury. Canada cannot into.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Nibby 12/10/2014 at 13:42

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I dunno, you don't think you should really commit? Like, get-a-van-for-that commit? Having just a Sequoia seems an awful lot like waffling over your commitment to the lifestyle.

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > HammerheadFistpunch 12/10/2014 at 13:42

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You honestly think a Nissan Armada is a good choice for someone to drive?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 12/10/2014 at 13:43

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Derp, read that wrong. Good thing I'm not a soft-touch snob, because I really love Commanders. Imagine a new one with the interior as nice as the one in the GC and with an EcoDiesel. Yum.

thebigbossyboss > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/10/2014 at 13:44

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WAAAAAANNNNNTTTTTTTTTTT

HammerheadFistpunch > Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. 12/10/2014 at 13:44

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No, they are ugly as hell, there are WAY better looking choices.

Textured Soy Protein > HammerheadFistpunch 12/10/2014 at 13:45

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It's going good. Much more refined than my WJ. The seats were my favorite thing about the WJ. The WK seats aren't as plush but they are nicely supportive and have some give to them, almost like memory foam. The ride is better damped but has just enough float in it to still feel cushy. Way quieter and smoother to drive, better handling and braking, way more power. And the seat heaters actually work, unlike the ones in my WJ.

As for the tires, I kept the Goodyear Fortera HLs on it since they had plenty of tread left, but worked the price to where I was happy with it. I read a bunch more reviews on the Forteras and there's a fair number of people who seem happy with the winter traction. Most of the complaints are about shitty tread life.

We haven't really gotten enough snow for me to see how they work yet. If they suck, I've got cash to spare for new tires. But I figure might as well not spend more money yet if I don't have to.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 12/10/2014 at 13:47

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Okay, so an H2 could be for someone insecure (or, for some people, not)? But a Pathfinder?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > 472CID 12/10/2014 at 13:49

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I've never been in it when my dad takes it off-road, but he says he does. It hasn't left pavement in a while though.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 12/10/2014 at 13:50

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Daimler would disagree with you. At least because one can now order a Sprinter with prep work for rear seat entertainment and still haul more kid stuff than a Burban.

Oh, they now build 'em with a two speed transfer case.

The reason SUVs are popular with families is the classic "I do NOT want to drive a *%R$*@! minivan" syndrome. Which is fine. I can understand that. However...

The problem I have is that a full-size Burban costs $50K base, and if you want the rear seat DVD, you go to a LT model, which with 4WD, starts at $57,650. Well equipped at $64,100 or so (with rear seat DVD, Satnav, sunroof, etc).

Say what? And you only get seating for 7 with the second row buckets?

A Sprinter 12 seat passenger van with a decent smattering of goodies is mid $50K, and that means you still have $10K or so on outfitting the van with all the TVs and DVD players and game consoles your kids could desire (and Satnav and SiriusXM for Mom and Dad).

About the only thing the Sprinter won't compete with the Burban is on towing. 5000 lbs rated isn't a slouch, though. So unless you have a boat to tow with you already, and that's over two tons, you are likely getting more car for your money with the Sprinter over the Burban.

But if you *want* the Burban because rabblerabbleminivansrabblerabble, fine. Or if you plan to make a Frankenburban.

As Du Volant > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 12/10/2014 at 13:54

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Same here. I was selling cars for a while in a pretty up-and-coming suburban area and whenever the young professional couples were expecting their first baby they'd stroll into the dealership saying "We're expecting our first child so we NEED an SUV with a 3rd row, and we also NEED leather seats and NEED a DVD player." Never mind the fact that they'd trade the damn thing back in before the kid was old enough to know what a DVD was.

Agreed, nothing wrong with saying you want those things. Need is a different story.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > thebigbossyboss 12/10/2014 at 14:01

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You know what's hysterical about that?

Mercury used to be the choice for Canada. They sold F-100's rebadged as Mercury's there. I hope to import one to the US one day, because well, I'm the crazy Mercury guy.

ALSO crazy they even sold Mercury in the Middle East. Full line up until they shut it down.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 12/10/2014 at 14:07

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Well, one of my big arguing points is exactly towing.

I can't even tell you how popular campers are here in Michigan. And if you want a bigger camper but also have 3 or more kids you're going to want a 3rd row vehicle and that means you can't get a 5th wheel pickup set up so you've got a big ass heavy trailer hooked to a normal class IV trailer hitch.

I tow a camper once a year so I don't necessarily NEED towing capability. But I know a lot of people that tow really frequently as well as wanting the room inside for kids, gear, home depot runs.

And they don't look like hell. Sorry these new point nose full size vans look simply horrendous to me (by any and all brands, I'm a diehard big 3 guy and Nissan is the best looking one because it's got more of a truck grille).

Personally (and for the record) the one time I had a minivan as a rental I thought it rode great and was plenty fine to drive.

thebigbossyboss > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 12/10/2014 at 14:09

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Interesting! We would only get the odd Mercury. I think the we got the Grand Marquis and that was it for quite a while. We did get Mercury Tracers also, but never got Mercury SUVS. Not sure about the Milan tbh.

I Do It For Miatas, NC Owner > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 14:12

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I just don't like how people act like they're the safest cars on the road. They are to the driver, but to everyone else they are a danger due to their height. And when people say they're more practical, I mean perhaps, but my car has more space than my Dad's Ford Edge (but this is more about BOF SUVs so it's not the same.) I don't like that SUVs and Crossovers are really the only option in the US though, wagons are largely unavailable and when they are, they're too expensive. I don't so much have a problem with BOF SUVs, as they are tremendously capable. But when sorority girls are texting while driving while driving a car that could run over my windshield or kill me multiple times on my bike, I get really tired of them. But at the end of the day, it's the drivers I don't like, not the car. A Suburban is my guilty pleasure car, and I would drive a Range Rover 10/10. And with the increased efficiency of SUVs now, I'm getting happier for the future. I mean, the new 'Burb gets the same fuel economy as my Bolbo.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > thebigbossyboss 12/10/2014 at 14:18

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didn't get it. I recommended it to someone in toronto (i believe) once and found out they never got it in Canada.

My wife had one of those Mercury Tracers.

GOOD GOD what a horrendous little bubble.

thebigbossyboss > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 12/10/2014 at 14:24

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Ha, yeah I am not even sure when the last time I saw a tracer was. Of course I said that about the ford Aerostars and have now seen about 5 this fall. I will report back my Tracer sightings soon!