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"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno) 12/09/2014 at 16:50 • Filed to: None

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I just noticed today that the Lambda trucklets use 6-lug hubs. Something I thought was pretty exclusive to trucks or truck based things. My Safari doesn't even have 6-lug hubs.

I'm guessing this either means they're hellaciously heavy (which isn't the case, the heaviest being about 4,900lbs), or are rather heavy duty underneath for car-ish crossovers.

In all honesty I don't know what it means, I just know usually the lighter a car is, the fewer lugs it has, which is why the Miata has 4. The more heavy duty it is, the more lugs it has, which is why the 2500 Chevy trucks have 8.

Also during my unsuccessful research of trying to figure out why the hell they have 6-lugs, I learned the first-gen CTS had 6-lug wheel because it shared spindles with the 1500 trucks. Which means my dad's Silverado is part Cadillac!

RazoE > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 16:52

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Vipers are also 6 lug. Dat torque tho.

Only 1st gen CTS-V's had 6 lugs. "Pedestrian" CTSs were 5 lug.

Also the Integra Type R is 5 lug, compared to the rest with 4.

HammerheadFistpunch > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 16:52

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The lambda's have a pretty decent GVWR, this is why.

Jcarr > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 16:53

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Allow me to blow your mind:

bob and john > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 16:54

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i didnt know the caddi had 6 lugs. interesting.

bunch of cars have 3 lugs too:P my grandpas old dacia, smarts....

as an aside, I HATE that there are different sizes. 90% of cars on the road have a 5-lug wheels. WHY do there have to be like 50K sizes?!?! can we all just agreed on ONE size and use that? (off the top of my head I can think of 5x108, 5x110, 5x112, 5x114.3, 5x120)

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > HammerheadFistpunch 12/09/2014 at 16:55

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Wow, they tow really well too. I didn't realize those two number were so high.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > RazoE 12/09/2014 at 16:55

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What's funny is that the Ram SRT10 is 5 lug.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > bob and john 12/09/2014 at 16:57

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Because manufacturers have to be different from each other, duh.

bob and john > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 16:57

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and yet we can agree to have all of the OBD codes the same?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jcarr 12/09/2014 at 16:58

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For some reason I knew this, but never understood why.

Jcarr > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 16:58

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There's also the semi-unicorny 7-lug F-250.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 16:59

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It's a compound of lug count and lug size. Generally, to keep the lug size within reason, you go for more, but if you're dealing with a company that doesn't like standard lug combos, you can go off the deep end...

Pictured, an incomprehensibly huge lug pattern with big lugs, but only five.

There are a lot of small trucks that, for whatever reason, have six, but no real size or capacity to it at all. Mostly a Japanese thing.

Also, on the topic of Chevy lug patterns, avoid 80s Chevy 1500s with 6 lugs like the plague. That's the "heavy half ton", and the brakes are a pain in the rear, to say nothing of the part where it's really hard to find good aftermarket 16" and larger wheels.

Racescort666 > RazoE 12/09/2014 at 17:00

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The R2 Ford Fiestas have 5 lugs. This was actually really common for homoligation to convert from 4 lugs to 5. Some manufacturers did it with the WRC kits, some did it on their homoligation cars. Pretty much everything since WRC Car rules went into effect had 5 lugs. To me, that's the easiest way to tell the Group A Escort Cosworth from the WRC Escort.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > bob and john 12/09/2014 at 17:00

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But they originally weren't. At least I don't think, I've never read codes on anything older than OBDII.

Anyway, hubs and internal codes are two different things. Some manufacturers want one thing out of a hub, and some want another, they're all designed to do things slightly different I'm sure.

yamahog > bob and john 12/09/2014 at 17:00

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Metric?? THIS IS AMERICA *rabble rabble*

(reads username)...welllll, I guess you get a pass.

bob and john > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 17:01

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yea i'm sure.

i mean there are SO many wheel to hold a wheel right? (sarcasm)

yea, OBD1 had their own codes. but we agreed to move to OBD2, so why is it THAT hard to say:ok, lets all used the same bolt patter and stop making it such a pain in the ass.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jcarr 12/09/2014 at 17:02

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That's something I've never seen. Or never paid attention to.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > bob and john 12/09/2014 at 17:02

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Most trailers have 5/4.5"(114.3), and so do a large number of Fords and Dodges, as well as imports. Even some Chevies. Therefore, for the large number of Chevies and other GM that use 5/4.75" for no reason, GM can GTFAC. 5/100mm is just a silly stab at round numbering, but probably impossible to eradicate.

Jcarr > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 17:04

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They blend in with the 97-03 F-150s so well that it's easy to miss them. I don't really understand their purpose as I believe Ford was producing the regular 8-lug F-250 SuperDuty during the same time period.

bob and john > yamahog 12/09/2014 at 17:05

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<3

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Logansteno: Bought a VW? > bob and john 12/09/2014 at 17:07

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Because it isn't hard to google "What's the bolt pattern on _____" and then search for wheels accordingly. It took me 30 seconds to find mine: 5x127.

Tohru > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 17:07

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6 bolt wheels are prevalent on foreign trucks of any size. Ask me how I know.

HammerheadFistpunch > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 17:08

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They are better cars than people take them for at face value. My brother has an enclave and my sister had an acadia. Solid performers and decent interiors too.

bob and john > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 17:09

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yea, but some wheels arent made in certian bolt patterns. Happened to us when we were searching for a set of wheels for my moms IS250. first wheels we wanted to buy werent avaible in 5x114.3

HammerheadFistpunch > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 17:10

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Same GVWR as a 4wd 2015 tahoe. The Lambdas wont pull a 7000 lb load, but they will pull a 5000 lbs load probably as well as the Tahoe.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > HammerheadFistpunch 12/09/2014 at 17:11

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I've always thought they were some of the better 3-row large crossovers. And good alternatives to their truck based SUV brothers. There has to be a reason I see so many of them around.

XJDano > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/09/2014 at 17:25

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Boom

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > bob and john 12/09/2014 at 17:26

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That's criminal. That's only the best lug size ever and among the most common in this country by far.

bob and john > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/09/2014 at 17:29

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where I live its mostly higher end german cars (c-class and up, a4s and LOTS of 3 series) so we see a LOT of 5x112

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/09/2014 at 18:19

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I noticed the weird Japanese thing on the '90 Mazda B2200 my boss had from my old summer job. 14" wheels. Six lugs. On a compact, manual, 4 cylinder truck that probably makes 90 hp. wut.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey 12/09/2014 at 18:26

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It may be some engineering code thing for industrial use (standardized wheel type, inclusive across multiple ratings), or it could have started to make installation easier via lower torque needed, or could even be a brake-related thing that some manufacturers started because it allowed the use of a punier hub without risk of cracking. I doubt the true answer is easy to find.

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/09/2014 at 18:27

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I just remember looking at them and thinking "Huh. Must be hell trying to find wheels for these trucks"

quarterlifecrisis > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/10/2014 at 13:15

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First gen CTS-V, not all CTS's.