Go Figure

"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno)
12/03/2014 at 14:51 • Filed to: Rant

Even though it was stated to be pretty good, the Trax is getting exclusively bashed on the FP for the most part.

YetI can almost guarantee if that had a Toyota or Hyundai or literally anything but a GM-centric badge on the front it would be praised. And frankly, the whole "Oh GM is the antichrist blah-blah-blah recalls, ignition switch deaths." bullshit is getting really, really , really Old.

Shit, even the article about the Colorado winning Truck of the Year on Motor Trend had comments bashing the Colorado and calling it a failure... Even though it had just won Truck of the fucking Year!! Beating the damn all-aluminum F-150 with it's EcoBoost magic!

And I just noticed a couple days ago on my SS thing that got FP'd that whoever published it there said "Logansteno, somehow still a GM fan." Somehow? I'm sorry that I can look past them "stealing our tax dollars" and whatever the fuck else they've done (which at this point might be everything in the world, including global warming and starting WWII) and see they build good, and in some cases world beating cars.

DISCUSSION (90)

Party-vi > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 14:54

GM wants $48k for the SS. Fuck 'em.

Cherry_man1 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 14:56

Only good cars to come out of the GM camp recently is the Z06 and Z/28. Everyone also knows the Motor Trend Truck of the year is a joke.

Also thats a nice Buick.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 14:56

It's actually pretty good. The features are nice, it looks a lot better in person, It's roomy, comfortable, and reasonably equipped. Overall, it's pretty nice. Plus, it's a distant cousin of the Sonic RS.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Party-vi
12/03/2014 at 14:56

And Chrysler wants the same amount for a Charger SRT that lost in a comparison test to the SS, your point?

Milky > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 14:56

….. sorry.

Kinja'd!!!

William Byrd > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 14:59

YetI can almost guarantee if that had a Toyota or Hyundai or

Yeti's are guaranteeing stuff? That's kinda (an) awesome (typo).

Trax looks decent to me.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Cherry_man1
12/03/2014 at 14:59

Just... no. There's the ATS, CTS, Impala, Sonic, Cruze... The only cars I can really think of that aren't the best are the Malibu, Equinox, Terrain, and maybe the XTS.

Tell that to all the Ford Fanboys losing their shit because of their precious F-150 losing.

Sweet Trav > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 14:59

The G8 was 32k. That's his point.

Not to mention the SS is ass ugly.

Also gawker ate your response to my culling of GM's engine herd. i cant view it.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
12/03/2014 at 15:00

Well, they do share underpinnings after all.

Party-vi > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:01

True, Chrysler wants the same for the SRT8 Charger but only $31k for the R/T. GM has no V8 sedan for $31k. I repeat: fuck 'em.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Milky
12/03/2014 at 15:02

Your point about the steering wheel was actually pretty valid, I've never understood why they put their cruise control buttons on the wheel. But some other people were just bashing to bash.

For Sweden > Party-vi
12/03/2014 at 15:02

A 400+ hp V8 sedan with magnetic ride suspension isn't as cheap as a Malibu? Crazy.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Sweet Trav
12/03/2014 at 15:04

I'm pretty sure the GXP was more than $32k. Maybe that got you a 6.0L GT. And I'm sure there's some inflation involved along with the SS's interior and options list being far more than the G8s ever was.

I said it'd be kinda stupid to kill the 2.5L and 3.6L engines as they're GM's bread-and-butter engines that they shove in a lot of things.

Sweet Trav > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:05

The Trax is actually the kind of car I want to buy for a commuter.

AWD higher ride height for Michigan Snow.

But it suffers from the same problem as the Subaru XV crosstrek.

crappy powertrain.

the 1.4t is a complete and total turd in something this heavy, its hardly adequate for the damned Sonic RS, the added drive train loss of the AWD must make it a sickly dog.

This needs the 2.0 turbo or at least the 1.6l turbo from europe, Just like the XV needs the 2.0T from the WRX.

Cherry_man1 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:05

The new F-150 hasn't even hit shot room floors yet and neither has the Colorado so I can't even take that truck of the year seriously.

Sonic and Cruze loses to the FiST and the FoST , the Malibu is garbage (Have driven a new one btw) compared to the Taurus or even a Charger. Also the only good CTS is the CTS-V Wagon and thats going away. Also the ATS is just kinda there. The S4 or a Charger Hellcat or even a Non Hellcat SRT Charger are better buys.

Textured Soy Protein > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:07

The Trax looks alright. It's mostly just a cheaper version of the Buick Encore, which seems fine enough.

But, I haven't put much stock in Motor Trend's ____ of the year awards ever since they picked the Chevy Malibu in '97.

Kinja'd!!!

Sweet Trav > Cherry_man1
12/03/2014 at 15:07

You are completely and utterly wrong if you think that the only CTS that is good is the CTS V wagon. The new chassis is leaps and bounds above the old one.

You need to stop looking at facts and figures and drive a few of the cars you are criticizing so wildly and comically.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:07

I don't understand that. Maybe if the Ranger had lost to the Colorado they would have a reason to be butthurt, but the F-150? Not even in the same class! WTF?!

For Sweden > Sweet Trav
12/03/2014 at 15:08

That G8 had a V6 and didn't have magnetic suspension. The G8 GXP was $40k six years ago and also didn't have magnetic ride.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Cherry_man1
12/03/2014 at 15:08

That's why I see Colorados on the road already? And at the Chevy dealer I drive past daily.

If you're gonna try and fuck them over, at least make comparisons to the right cars.

The Sonic and Cruze both compete with the non-ST cars from Ford. GM doesn't make an ST fighter so it's pointless to compare. The Malibu goes against the Camry and Accord. And bullshit on the CTS and ATS which have been praised by anyone who's driven them.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Sweet Trav
12/03/2014 at 15:09

Wouldn't that be the 3.6L G8 though?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Textured Soy Protein
12/03/2014 at 15:10

I didn't read (or breathe, actually) when that happened. It seems like the last few years that have (for the most part) picked deserving cars. Other than the CR-V. What the hell.

Sweet Trav > For Sweden
12/03/2014 at 15:10

Uh you could still get a RWD automatic with an underrated 360hp V8 for around 32K. Why is MRC standard? why are there nearly no options for the SS? Why is it so ugly? the world may never know.

Milky > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:12

I just reeeaaalllyyy detest blank areas reminding the driver they cheaped out.

Cherry_man1 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:12

Really? None have made it down here to the dealers yet, the plant that makes them is in Wentzville so thats why STL has them already. I'm sorry but have you seen a Malibu lately? They are large sedans now and don't compete with Camry and Accord. Thats like saying the Fusion compares to a 5-Series BMW.

Sweet Trav > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
12/03/2014 at 15:13

"The G8 lives within a narrow price band, and the optional furbelows are few. Just $27,595 puts you into the base G8, with a 256-hp, 3.6-liter four-cam V-6 and the 5L40 five-speed automatic. The GT, with its 361-hp, 6.0-liter V-8 and six-speed 6L80 Hydra-Matic, starts delivering 5.3-second barrels to 60 mph for $29,995. With all options, the GT rises to $32,745."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2008-p…

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Cherry_man1
12/03/2014 at 15:14

Colorados are definitely in the showrooms.

Sonic and Cruze don't really have a trim level that compares to the ST's anyways.

Malibu is just biege. Needs to go back to its roots. Nevertheless, it does not compete with the Taurus or Charger. Malibu/Fusion/200, Impala/Taurus/Charger.

Is it really confirmed that there will be no new CTS wagon? That's sad ;(

Party-vi > For Sweden
12/03/2014 at 15:14

GM doesn't have any other V8 RWD sedan for sale, so $48k is pretty steep when I can go get one from Chrysler for just over $30k. None of this matters since I'm not buying one.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Sweet Trav
12/03/2014 at 15:16

I don't understand the Crosstrek. I think it is just right in almost every way, but WHY that engine? 2.0T w/ manual option. 10/10 would buy.

Textured Soy Protein > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:17

I think at some point in the past few years they actually apologized for the Malibu fiasco. But still. Get off my lawn you whippersnapper!

Sweet Trav > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
12/03/2014 at 15:17

With obnoxious pushbar/offroad bumpers and a rally light rack and an additional 2 inch lift and mud tires....

Cherry_man1 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
12/03/2014 at 15:19

Ya no more CTS-V Wagons its on the FP.

I think the 200 right now has better over Fusion look wise, and I'm a ford guy. GM doesn't really have anything to offer thats decent anymore that isnt performance.

There are none here in Southern MO as of last night when I went on a drive.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Cherry_man1
12/03/2014 at 15:20

Sorry but have you seen a Camry or an Accord lately? They are large sedans now and compete with the also enlarged Malibu.

I hardly think the location of the plant is an issue—the trucks are at dealers all over Canada.

For Sweden > Party-vi
12/03/2014 at 15:20

Except this is a new Holden, not a few-generations-old Mercedes Frankenstein.

Sweet Trav > For Sweden
12/03/2014 at 15:22

A new Holden that is only in production for one more year.

For Sweden > Sweet Trav
12/03/2014 at 15:23

ok?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:24

Personally, it's not a matter of the GM badge. I'd take a Buick Encore, but just based on the pictures, I'd prefer the very cool looking 500X or the even cooler looking Renegade over the rather boring looking Trax. Obvoiusly driving them could change that.

Also, the "somehow still a GM fan" thing made me laugh audibly when I first saw it. Sorry.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Cherry_man1
12/03/2014 at 15:27

I'm a GM guy, so one of these statements is impartial and the other is a serious compliment.

Fusion/200- Tossup. Fusion is balanced and beautiful, 200 is great from the back but I'm not sold on the front.

Fusion/Malibu- No contest. Fusion (esp. Ecoboost 2.0 AWD) is awesome to drive, really backs up its looks. Malibu is beige inside and out, and if it drives the same as it looks... well...

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Cherry_man1
12/03/2014 at 15:31

Drive a CTS VSport sometime. They are frighteningly good. Same with the Escalade.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:32

Oh GM is the antichrist blah-blah-blah recalls, ignition switch deaths." bullshit is getting really, really , really Old.

Fucking thank you, I'm sick of this shit.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Cherry_man1
12/03/2014 at 15:34

I'm in NY, just about as far away from Mizzura as one can get and my local dealer has a Colorado.

Party-vi > For Sweden
12/03/2014 at 15:34

GM had an old Holden that would have fit the bill nicely for $30k and then they killed the division that sold it. This is exactly what happened to the Pontiac Banshee. GM killed it off and Chevy was able to swoop in and put a bowtie on it and sell it for more money (C3 Corvette). Also, GM neutered the new Regal GS. Fuck. 'Em.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:35

Because it's convenient?

Jayhawk Jake > Cherry_man1
12/03/2014 at 15:36

The Colorado is totally at showrooms. I saw one this morning at the dealer I pass.

The only good CTS is the V-Wagon? Are you joking? You must be joking.

The only knock anyone has on the ATS is the lack of a BMW badge. Its the better buy every time

I'll agree on the Malibu, but the Impala is fantastic

Jayhawk Jake > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:36

Because cruise control on the steering wheel is best

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback
12/03/2014 at 15:41

I've already seen a few on the road.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:43

Having cars with the cruise control buttons on the wheel and car's with them on a stalk, wheel buttons are better.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/03/2014 at 15:54

There are dealers all around me that have them. I still haven't seen one. It takes a while before new models start showing up. Still haven't seen a new Mustang either all though the dealer like 10 miles from me has 2.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:54

Meh it's a corsa in a dull heavy suit. Appliance car, maybe a good one, but an appliance nonetheless.

Cherry_man1 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
12/03/2014 at 15:55

Weird, there are like 0 colorados here and I was looking at Vettes last night.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 15:58

Kinja'd!!!

To be fair MT has a known tendency to give that award to some truly terrible cars.

Kinja'd!!!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Cherry_man1
12/03/2014 at 15:59

Are you confusing the Malibu with the Impala? Because the Malibu definitely competes with the Camry and Accord.

Cherry_man1 > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/03/2014 at 16:01

Escalade I've driven it was meh I'm not a SUV Guy, but the CTS-V Wagon is the only good CTS. Power, Handling, and Practical

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 16:02

I love how GM engineers are responsible for the death of 30 people, but it's okay because they apologized. It's not the "stealing the tax dollars", Ford and Dodge got some too, it is the complete lack of care GM showed for the better part of 40 years. I know I going to get flamed again, but I don't really give a shit. Yes, Takata should have done more, but they didn't. Yes, GM apologized and makes the Corvette, but that doesn't get back the lost loved ones their shit quality control is responsible for. They may eventually make the best cars on the road, but I in good conscience could never buy one.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/03/2014 at 16:03

I'm indifferent on it. I actually like how Dodge does it with a third stalk down on the column.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jayhawk Jake
12/03/2014 at 16:05

Eh, I've used stalk and steering wheel mounted ones, it doesn't bother me either way, but at least with the stalk if you don't select it you don't have blank space on the wheel.

ly2v8-Brian > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 16:08

Greetings from a cold place! The larger wheel buttons are easier to operate with gloved hands.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
12/03/2014 at 16:08

Don't even get me fucking started. Toyota is just as guilty as GM is with their sticking pedal thing that killed people as well. Yet you'd purchase one of those without issue.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > ly2v8-Brian
12/03/2014 at 16:09

I use the stalk mounted buttons with gloves all the time? It's a switch and a big-ass button on GM's unistalk.

mazda616 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 16:10

I've heard pretty horrible things about the Cruze.

I'm not a GM basher by any means. But they made shitty cars for far too long and thought they could get away with it. And now they have to regain people's confidence and trust. But pissing matches on the Internet won't help that.

ly2v8-Brian > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
12/03/2014 at 16:15

Yeah, like the vast majority of cars out there. It's where the fanboyism comes from. Inferiority complex really.

Jayhawk Jake > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 16:16

Who the fuck buys a car without cruise control?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jayhawk Jake
12/03/2014 at 16:17

People who don't use it, such as myself. At least if it's optional, which is rare nowadays.

ly2v8-Brian > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
12/03/2014 at 16:18

Maybe, but decisions made on the customers end need to be considered. Quite a few of those folks were drunk or speeding it was revealed.

Also, a previous iteration of your username included Toyota-fanboy. that sort of renders your feelings of GM moot in my eyes.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jayhawk Jake
12/03/2014 at 16:18

People who own cars that are either really old or are just really cheap.

ly2v8-Brian > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 16:20

Sure, but it is much easier to do that in my Silverado because the buttons are so much bigger.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 16:26

I read a review (motor trend or car and driver) about the ats-v, even though for its price/build it beats the m3/m4, the writers will still beat off to and favor anything with a roundel.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
12/03/2014 at 16:37

But you'll buy a Toyota, which had engineering issues that killed people as well. Hmmm, how strange.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > ly2v8-Brian
12/03/2014 at 16:37

You mean Toyota's recall for this:

Kinja'd!!!

Yes that is really Toyota's fault there. Especially since one of the biggest cases, ended up being a Prius owner wanting to be part of a lawsuit. If you can't see that a thick floor mat won't work here, maybe you shouldn't be driving.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 16:39

"Engineering Issues"

Kinja'd!!!

It was Camry and Prius owners being Camry and Prius owners. Toyota lost money because people are morons.

In case you didn't know, that is an aftermarket floor mat.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 16:40

Also, court documents revealed GM knew about this, 2 years before the car came out. 2 YEARS. For a part that cost lest than a dollar, that is pretty fucking sad.

ly2v8-Brian > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 16:41

Looked at article in question, read comments, facepalmed. This is the internet so this brand of stupid is common. Also the comment section on any GM product has been full of dumb comments like this as long as I can remember about Jalopnik. (I started visiting the site frequently around the time of the bailouts) Anti GM trolls are just the loudest of the bunch.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
12/03/2014 at 16:42

And who's to say GM's recall wasn't Cobalt and Malibu owners being Cobalt and Malibu owners with 500 pounds of bullshit on their keychains and speeding? Because I know people who own both of those and never had anything happen with their ignition.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > ly2v8-Brian
12/03/2014 at 16:43

What they don't realize is a lot of brands borrowed money from the government then. The world's economy was fucked and car companies in general were caught with their pants down.

ly2v8-Brian > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
12/03/2014 at 16:44

No not that. Just that you are a confessed fanboy of a certain brand. So you'll take a stance against GM regardless.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 16:45

Because GM released the information, due to ongoing investigations. They knew it was a faulty part. They have admitted it was a faulty part. A faulty part that's fix was less than a dollar per car. That they knew needed fixing, BEFORE it was released.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > ly2v8-Brian
12/03/2014 at 16:49

Actually, I like quite a few of GM's old offerings. In fact, I almost got a '97 Silverado instead of my 4Runner. UNTIL I test drove it and the transmission was slipping. In fact the vehicle I drove before I got my first car, was a Trailblazer and I loved it. The Atlas is one of the greatest engines built in the last 10 years. I just like a lot of Toyota's as well.

ly2v8-Brian > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 16:49

Of course they did. GM took out a loan with the Government, and the Gov purchased a majority stake in GM. Chrysler was too weak for this method, thus they ended up with FIAT. And Ford took MASSIVE subsidies from the government, money they don't have to pay back.

ly2v8-Brian > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
12/03/2014 at 16:50

fair enough.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > ly2v8-Brian
12/03/2014 at 16:51

I'm not even talking just American brands, I remember reading Toyota, Nissan, and the like took out subsidies or loans or whatever from their governments.

ly2v8-Brian > unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins)
12/03/2014 at 16:53

Of course, I remember one from last year they compared the CLA, A4, 3series, and Regal. Base models. The Buick was better in pretty much everyway, and they eluded to that, but the 3 series still won.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
12/03/2014 at 16:54

Okay yes, there was an issue with the design, but I refuse to believe that the car stalling sudden made drivers crash.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 16:55

It didn't stall. It shut off. That killed the power assist to the brakes and steering, and disabled the airbags. That is what caused the drivers to crash.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
12/03/2014 at 16:57

My Safari has done that on a couple occasions, no power steering, no power brakes. I managed to control it and not crash. Maybe if people knew what to do in that situation instead of panicking.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 17:03

FWD would be a little different. Also, how fast were you going at the time?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
12/03/2014 at 17:05

I don't think it'd be that different. The Vue (which I actually think has ignition issues) dies in the cold sometimes and my mom wrangled it to the shoulder on the highway.

I was going 45ish. Enough to fold the Safari in half if I hit something.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 17:31

I know everyone is supposed to be prepared for every situation, but not everyone is. Unassisted steering in something with power steering is a bitch. Not everyone is strong enough to hold it. Not everyone knows that when your power brakes fail, you have one final depression. Since it was a cheap fix, it should have never happened in the first place. The people responsible should be legally charged.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
12/03/2014 at 17:41

What are they supposed to do, charge everyone in the company for manslaughter or something? They're already paying a hefty fine for it and I'm pretty sure the main engineer responsible was fired and might have charges, but I'm not sure because I don't follow the whole thing other than making sure our cars aren't effected.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/03/2014 at 17:48

Since Kinja is Kinja-ing your last comment for me, I will reply to this. I don't mean charge everybody, but just the execs that okay'd this. They basically pulled the plug on 30+ people due to their inept abilities.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
12/03/2014 at 17:52

They already fired the head engineer who signed off on it, and he might or might not have charges, I'm not sure.