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"JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7" (jayzayeighty)
11/29/2014 at 17:55 • Filed to: None

Get off my damn lawn once you're done reading!

#1: C6 ZR-1>C7 Z06 as the "ultimate" Corvette

Most powerful of 4 variants vs. more powerful of two, historic and record smashing vs slight improvement, and manual/hardtop only vs automatic convertible availability (for the respect purists have for the name). Also, judging by the fact that they used the LT4 name rather than the LT5, I wouldn't be surprised a ZR-1 is in the works. I don't know how they'd top the performance by much.

#2: In murica, IDI>DI

I wouldn't envy anyone for an engine teardown every 60k with DI because of high-sulfur gas in the states. Now carmakers are using both systems in one car because DI results in carbon buildup whenever you're idling and at low RPMs. I think I can do without unnoticeable power and efficiency gains—I'd go with a very good MPFI system instead for US models as an auto executive.

DISCUSSION (37)

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 17:57

C6 Z06 > C7Z & C6 ZR1

scoob > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 17:59

Shouldn't you compare a C6 ZR1 to a "C7 ZR1?"

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > Goshen, formerly Darkcode
11/29/2014 at 18:00

The LS7 is going to be remembered as the "good old days" if the C8 really does become a V8 Fiero.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 18:00

Don't see why having the option of vert and auto makes it worse when you can still opt for the hardtop manual.

I dont like this fruit stall to buy my apples from because they sell plums too and I dont eat those.

camaroboy68ss > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 18:01

Carburetors for life! get of my lawn you fuel injected whipper snapper!

CAcoalminer > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 18:01

For the C7 ZR1, I'm hoping for a curb weight of 3,300 lb. or less and 800 hp.

mazda616 > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 18:02

I have a really unpopular opinion and it is that the C7 itself is borderline funny looking while the C6 is a sexy work of art. *hides from waves of Haterade*

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
11/29/2014 at 18:03

I agree. But I just think it's the way people who say everything is diluted will have more respect for the nameplate because it was uncompromising in its purpose-built character.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > mazda616
11/29/2014 at 18:05

I think it's neat looking. I also think it's going to age like Lindsay Lohan (that is to say, soon and very quickly).

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > CAcoalminer
11/29/2014 at 18:07

That would be awesome. There's no way they'll use the now-obscure LT4 name and abandon LT5. But if they do an LT5, it had better be a four cam head designed by Lotus! It's still be more costly than all of my valuable organs combined, though, so there's no way I'd be buying one ever.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 18:09

...what?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
11/29/2014 at 18:09

Agreed.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > camaroboy68ss
11/29/2014 at 18:09

Bosch tricked Chevrolet! I'd know, I fought 'em in WWII young'n.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 18:09

IDI

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 18:10

I think trucks are getting too "fashionable" and have a bit too many options unless it's a full LTZ level truck. Just give me a stick, RWD or 4x4, and cloth benches.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 18:12

Those are the kinds of people you ignore the opinion of.

CAcoalminer > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 18:12

That would be ideal but they won't because they love their low hoods.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
11/29/2014 at 18:15

Wow, thank you spellcheck!

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
11/29/2014 at 18:16

Yeah. And don't learn how to write from me, because my last reply was completely incoherent. It's mostly the fault of sleep deprivation and spell check, though.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback
11/29/2014 at 18:19

Definitely. The only truck I want is a diesel I6 Ram 2500 6MT, but I still would have no use for it.

DoYouEvenShift > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 18:34

Not worried to much about carbon build up on GenV engines. It takes 15 minutes to pull the intake, and you have easy access to all intake ports. Ive seen some dealers have a machine that you hook up, one port at a time, TDC, and it media blasts and vacuums it clean. No biggie.

Also you can hook one of these guys up.

Kinja'd!!!

You get a nice performance bump and you clean the intake tract everytime you go WOT. Even if, it gets bad, it really is very simple to pull the heads on LS engines. Send it to the machine shop to get hot tanked and your back in business. From start to both cylinder heads sitting on the work bench, Ive done it in 1 hour.

I do agree that GM still has many tricks up their sleeve for the ZR1. LT5 is coming, I'm sure of that. The last ZR1 used a 2.3 liter TVS supercharger to make 638 hp and 605 ft lbs. The LT4 uses a smaller 1.7 TVS supercharger to make 650/650. Both making about 10 psi. Also the LS9s cam specs out at 211/230 .558/.562. And the LT4 uses less duration and valve lift. 189/223 .492/.551. So pretty much its making more power and torque with a smaller supercharger and smaller cam. If they decide to increase the can profile and use the larger supercharger with more boost. It will be well north of 700.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 18:43

Duly noted haha.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 18:43

Can handle as much torque as the auto. Lose around 200 with that extra peddle.

Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 18:45

Aren't there 3 variants of the C7, as the Z51 is comparable to the old Grand Sport?

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready
11/29/2014 at 19:02

Thats a good point, although I was just referring to straight line performance (LS2, LS3, LS7, LS9) rather than the whole package. There was a Z51 C6 option code for base models, so I'd say that it's more of a two-tiered, C5-like range compared the C4 and C6. Generally speaking, Z51 additions are easy to add yourself a after the fact—I could turn my car into a Z51 with an oil cooler, ridiculously stiff springs, and bilstein gas struts.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback
11/29/2014 at 19:04

Yeah, that really makes it a harder decision considering that the reason for the Cummins is torque in the first place. I see more classic trucks doing the hard work than newer ones, and if I needed a tough, reliable work truck, I'd probably get an older one.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 19:10

An older Chevy or GMC*
*no bias in that statement one bit.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > DoYouEvenShift
11/29/2014 at 19:17

Awesome info! The sludge in the picture is from a turbocharged BMW engine that has piezo injectors that can't handle our crappy gas, and the inevitable result of that DI system is a lot of time and money cleaning out your engine only to clog it up again. I had a neighbor with a 3.2 A6 that was babied for its 3 years of existence. One day he took it to the dealership and found out the engine was choking on carbon so he drove back in a new A7. He was a lobbyist, of course.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
11/29/2014 at 19:19

Very true. I just want acura to make a turbocharged hybrid DI and IDI-engined car with the torque converter DCT and some ridiculous AWD system. There will be nothing to break.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > scoob
11/29/2014 at 19:23

There isn't one yet, and if your budget for somewhat-cool-but-modern Corvette includes one of these cars, it includes the other. So this might be a legitimate showdown of ultimate 21st century corvettes.

DoYouEvenShift > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 19:32

Theres a learning curve. Theyll get better at it as it ages. Just like when efi first came out, it had its downfalls. The more OEs use it, the better it will get. One of the biggest advantages is cleaner emmissions. Which is a win for everybody. Cleaner air, epa is happy, and they can keep cranking out hipo cars.

Also, DI and FI are a match made in heaven. If you can wait till the very last possible crank angle to inject fuel into the cylinder. The cooler it will stay, which means more power and less detonation.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 19:52

DCT's don't have a torque converter. And I don't think you could have both IDI and DI.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
11/29/2014 at 19:57

http://articles.sae.org/13432/

I read some article about using both DI and IDI on the same application but I can't find it on my phone right now.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 20:00

Hmm, TIL. But that is needlessly complicated, when there are regular slushboxes shifting just as fast.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
11/29/2014 at 20:06

Agreed. That's why we need a Dual Injection™ Torqclutch™ Electrocharged™ Quadvectorviscositydrive™ Acura! A modern-day Sterling. And, yes, naming those systems was a little too fun.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 20:09

Nope. Everything needs this and an NV5600:

Kinja'd!!!

Saracen > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
11/29/2014 at 20:26

The best fuel delivery system is to combine direct injection with supplementary port injectors. This pretty much eliminates carbon buildup while maintaining the advantages of using direct injection.