Looking to trade 350Z 6MT for GTI DSG. Where to return Oppo Card?

"PardonMyFlemish16" (TheCoolKid)
11/26/2014 at 19:42 • Filed to: None

I bought my Z when I was working from home and didn't anticipate such a huge commute. Now I work about 35 miles from home and I also go to the gym at work. So just from commuting I'm doing 400 miles a week. 20 MPG, and I usually try and find 0% ethanol gas which comes to about $3.60-3.80 a gallon. You do the math.

Anyways I had my heart set on a Fiesta ST but then I found out you can't fit an infant seat in them and that's gonna be a problem in about 2 years. Z is a ton of fun when I'm in the mood but a lot of times I just want to relax, and with its road noise and stiff ride I can't. Plus as unjalop as this is, I kind of want to take a break from driving stickshift. This is my 6th stick car and I'm kind of over it with this commute. If I feel the need I can always hop on my motorcycle.

So anyways I was thinking about the MKV GTI. Wifey has an MKV Rabbit and it's not bad. Could use a better suspension and brakes and 6th gear is too tall, but other than that I can dig it. Plus with a stage 1 tune it's putting down as much power and a good 80 or so more lb-ft than my Z, albeit through the wrong wheels. But all I want the power for is to pass on 2 lane roads and highway cruising. If I want to feel the road.... motorcycle.

Am I nuts? Is this an unOppo move or what? Im 31 BTW.

DISCUSSION (55)

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 19:43

Is it? How is a GTI unOppo or unJalop?

Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/26/2014 at 19:45

When it has DSG.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready
11/26/2014 at 19:46

But it's just a Rabbit.

Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/26/2014 at 19:47

What does that have to do with this?

ACESandEIGHTS > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 19:47

Ohhbhh you're 31 well tnay makes all the difference carry on may wayward son.

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 19:49

You should get a minivan :D

jkm7680 > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 19:50

Go ahead, it's probably easier on your left leg and if you really want to row your own that's what the bike is for.

PardonMyFlemish16 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/26/2014 at 19:50

Thats what Im asking. I dont really care in any way that will influence my decision, but I'm curious to hear what people thing.

Lot of folks go on and on about driver engagement and all that here but I am finding in the real world that there can be such a thing as too much engagement.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready
11/26/2014 at 19:51

Well I mean we're not talking about a Corvette or a 911 or some special sports car the must be had with a manual, it's just a Golf/Rabbit? It's fine with or without a manual.

I've driven a Mk6 GTI DSG and a MK5 Rabbit manual, they're both very good cars.

Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/26/2014 at 19:53

I know and agree, I think he was saying it was made unJalop by the DSG. I could be wrong.

PardonMyFlemish16 > jkm7680
11/26/2014 at 19:54

Usually my right leg is the one that cramps up in traffic, but yea, no car can compare to the connection you have on a bike.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 19:54

Hold on now:

I am finding in the real world that there can be such a thing as too much engagement.

No, the way new cars are now with their easy steering and handling and technology, we couldn't possibly be further from too much engagement.

I've driven a DSG Mk6 GTI and it was and still is a decent trans and car, especially with paddles, the only car with paddles to surpass it that I've driven was an XC60 Type-R AWD.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready
11/26/2014 at 19:56

It's like saying the Miata isn't the answer and it's shit. While I much prefer manual cars now, I hate it when people bash on it for trivial reasons. We're all different people, we all don't like the same things, if he wants a DSG, he'll get one and that doesn't make him lesser of a Jalop or Oppo than anyone else.

So long as you don't get a Prius or Nissan Stanza. :p

T5Killer > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 19:58

Wait you cannot fit a infant seat in a Fiesta? Damn that is a bummer since I can fit one in my Cobra. So much for buying a Fiesta for a DD. Its not unoppo at all.

PardonMyFlemish16 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/26/2014 at 19:58

Sorry for the confusion, she has a 6 A T Rabbit, though it does have pretty obedient (but excruciatingly slow) manual mode. Around town I don't bother but it comes in handy on the freeway in the mountains. I usually set it to 5th, which is about 6th in my Z RPM/MPH wise.

Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/26/2014 at 19:59

I know, and I agree with that sentiment. I was saying that I thought that that is what he meant, the unJalopness of getting a car with a DCT, especially a front-drive EPAS one after a manual rear-drive sports coupe.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready
11/26/2014 at 20:01

I understand, from that point of view, I guess it would be unOppo.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 20:01

I'd say go for it! What could possibly go wrong! :)

PardonMyFlemish16 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/26/2014 at 20:02

In another life the Stanza was pretty bad ass

Kinja'd!!!

But I do feel like a lot of Oppo and def a lot of Jalop is bashing anything that is normal or "unenthusiast", which is funny given the deifying of the most unthusiast ride of all, the poverty spec brown diesel wagon.

Again though, just kind of bored I guess and I want to see what kind of objections folks have to such a move.

PardonMyFlemish16 > T5Killer
11/26/2014 at 20:04

Well it depends. It def wont fit a rear facing seat but it will fit a front facing one no problem. You arent supposed to put infants facing forward.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 20:04

Stirring the pot a bit eh? ;)

bob and john > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 20:19

not nuts.
also with such a long commute might I recommend something else?
Audi A3 TDI. Its more or less a golf, with more standard features. TDI for that long commute (I dont care what EPA says, we consistant get 55+ MPG in our TDI). and if you REALLY want more power, head over to APR for a tune.

why the audi? The Audis i know 100% for sure there were assembled in germany. some of the golfs of the past where assembled in mexico. I love germans cars. I do NOT want a german car made in mexico.

Manuél Ferrari > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 20:21

I keep hearing the DSG in the GTI isn't any good

titsinmymitts > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 20:33

Don't concern yourself with what a bunch of teenagers consider "unOppo." In spite of what Jalops often think, the transmission does not make or break the car or make you less of a man.

Get the DSG GTI.

titsinmymitts > Manuél Ferrari
11/26/2014 at 20:36

it's pretty good in the Mk 6.

I was pleasantly surprised when I drove it.

Manuél Ferrari > titsinmymitts
11/26/2014 at 20:40

I've never driven it so I have no personal experience. I've just read multiple people say that it doesn't seem like it's at the same quality level of other DCTs.

Is it still a 6 speed or did VW upgrade to 7?

titsinmymitts > Manuél Ferrari
11/26/2014 at 20:50

I haven't driven a ton of DCTs, but I could definitely live with it everyday for sure.

It was a 6 speed. Like with everything, what the reviews or critics say vs the actual experience can differ greatly.

Manuél Ferrari > titsinmymitts
11/26/2014 at 20:53

Very true. I have an E90 M3. Reviews always blast it for the "lack of torque". That issue never bothers me.

The most important things are:

1. Do you like it

2. Is it reliable

It would be good to research long term reliability to be safe. Some DCTs have had issues. The DCT in the Ferrari 458 tends to bork itself when the car is tracked often or driven very hard on the street.

1337HPMustang > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 21:07

get something kewl like a 300 touring. Same mileage as your 350z but looks badass, is a wagon, and not a VW.

Kinja'd!!!

titsinmymitts > Manuél Ferrari
11/26/2014 at 21:08

Cool car! How has it been for you?

I drove a c63 amg a while back. Reviews always lambast the auto transmission. Admittedly, its not great but it didn't kill the experience by any means.

PardonMyFlemish16 > bob and john
11/26/2014 at 21:10

I don't really care where a car is made, as long as it's reliable. And in any case the MKVs were all made in Germany from what I understand.

Plus diesel sucks. I'd rather lose ~10 MPG than go diesel. That's too much of a sacrifice for me.

bob and john > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 21:11

dont see how diesel suck...for day to day driving, you have ALL the torques. so many torques.

Arben72 > bob and john
11/26/2014 at 21:11

The torque is stupid too. Way to much for tiny audis and vw's. Just like I like it.

PardonMyFlemish16 > 1337HPMustang
11/26/2014 at 21:12

I dont think those exist, and the mileage is the big driver behind me dumping the Z. It will save me ~$1000/yr. This thing pretty much has everything wrong with the Z but nothing good about it. Only plus is the added practicality I guess, but if I can help it I don't ever want to drive something like this.

bob and john > Arben72
11/26/2014 at 21:13

I know. I love it that I can just get the trans in thrid and just roll up w/e hill I fucking want.

E92M3 > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 21:17

GTI is a great car, certainly more practical in 4dr trim. The interior will be much better. I too would get the DSG because I sit in a lot of traffic. Besides it's faster 0-60 if you want to justify it.

PardonMyFlemish16 > Manuél Ferrari
11/26/2014 at 21:18

I hear the DSGs are pretty robust

And they seem to shift pretty brutally

1337HPMustang > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 21:38

they do exist.... just maybe not where you are. And how can you not like the LX stationwagons? Oh well, different strokes for different folks. So if you don't like big cushy cruisers, then how about a prius. No joke. They're reliable, good mileage, good safety.

PardonMyFlemish16 > 1337HPMustang
11/26/2014 at 21:42

Whats wrong with the GTI?

1337HPMustang > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 21:55

VWs from the past decade have a reputation of falling apart. This isn't based on consumer reports, or direct personal experience, but on the fact one friend has a 2.5 rabbit and its wheel came off with the hub(!). Another friend has a mkv jetta whose accessory belt comes off every time he starts it. These are just some of the stories I hear every so often. I'm not familiar with all VWs from the last few years but I do know from friends that random stuff breaks and it's either stupidly hard to fix yourself or dealers charge an arm and a leg. Again, probably nothing wrong with most of the cars but there are some MYs out there that scare me away from VW in general. I was suggesting things I would buy if I were in your shoes.

gawdzillla > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 22:13

never a fan of VW... wonder why i dis-like them so much

thebigbossyboss > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 22:35

NOOOOO.

*you* do the math. I refuse to do math anymore :P

Kailand09 > PardonMyFlemish16
11/26/2014 at 22:42

Not too bad, I'm in the market for a similar car.

I'm pretty sold on a brand new FoST based on price alone (LOTS of incentives)... still working on the manual part with the fiance...

PardonMyFlemish16 > 1337HPMustang
11/26/2014 at 23:14

IDK. My wife's Rabbit has been dead reliable for the last 2 years. Buddy of mine had an MKV GTI and he had some problems. Most likely carbon buildup. I have an idea of what I'm in for.

AccidentalFinance & Hapless Jag Owner > PardonMyFlemish16
11/27/2014 at 00:02

My wife, mom, and father in law all had MK6 GTIs last year. All autos. My wife and father in law are both speed demons. Why auto? Because who wants to spill coffee when you're headed into the office. Manuals are great second cars … autos are for Monday through Friday. Anyway - a GTI DSG is as fun as it gets for a commuter. Pull the trigger.

wallaby13 > PardonMyFlemish16
11/27/2014 at 00:30

Just head over to VW vortex and there will be a DIY for every common failure. My MK5 TDI is plagued by a drooping head liner, door lock module failure, and washer jet line breaking. I fixed the door lock module by resoldering the connections, and fixed the washer line with some rubber hose. I'm debating if I feel like pulling the head liner out. Most likely I'll give it to a shop.
They aren't Japanese reliable, but they aren't too bad either.

JKER > PardonMyFlemish16
11/27/2014 at 00:35

I had a number of stick shift sports cars, and I finally gave them up to get a reliable automatic as a DD and kept my motorcycles for the fun rides. Don't regret it at all.

brjklein > PardonMyFlemish16
11/27/2014 at 11:12

Unless you're over 6', you're wrong. I am 5'7" and I can fit my rear-facing seat in the center of the back with room to spare.

PardonMyFlemish16 > brjklein
11/27/2014 at 12:15

Mmmm in the center. I didn't consider that. I am 5' 9" with a 31" inseam. Hopefully a Ford dealer will have a rear facing baby seat on hand. I'd much rather get the FiST if I can.

Manuél Ferrari > PardonMyFlemish16
11/27/2014 at 17:40

I like that. Brutal shifts help keep you entertained when you don't have a stick

MachtSchnell > PardonMyFlemish16
11/27/2014 at 17:57

Lots of seat time in both and I'd go DSG all day despite how much I enjoy rowing my own. YMMV

PardonMyFlemish16 > Manuél Ferrari
11/27/2014 at 18:38

Yep. Shifts like my bike. Or Forza 4 with my racing wheel. I am OK with autos as long as they are obedient and quick.

Manuél Ferrari > PardonMyFlemish16
11/27/2014 at 20:02

I want a Scuderia. I like autos that beak your back

PardonMyFlemish16 > Manuél Ferrari
11/27/2014 at 20:09

If its anything like the box in the F430 it just feels clunky.

Manuél Ferrari > PardonMyFlemish16
11/27/2014 at 20:14

I like clunky as long as it gives you a good kick in the ass!

I wouldn't want to DD it. But it would be fun on track or for spirited drives.