We Haven't Realized The Feat That The Hellcats Actually Are

"Vicente Esteve" (vicente-esteve) 11/25/2014 at 19:58 • Filed to: Hellcat

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The Challenger and Charger Hellcat need no further introduction. They are pretty much the most hyped cars of this year, and will keep on being a milestone for years to come. Probably even become classics. Everyones eyes dilated as the 707 Horsepower spec was released, and even more surprised to know that in fact, both Hellcats can go around corners. We have raved about this pair as a Cadillac salesman raved when he sold his first (and probably last) ELR. But I think that we haven't quite realized the value that Dodge has allowed us mere citizens to lay our hands on. That is why I've researched and come up with some juicy facts you can say at work break besides the water cooler or just to brag to the Z06 driver if you do end up being one of the fortunate Hellcat owners. But most of all these facts are to embrace this marvellous product that shows us that engineers are now replacing insipid accountants and bringing out the cars we want.

Both Hellcats come with 707 Horsepower. These are all cars with less Horsepower than that:

Ferrari FF 651HP- $300,000 (Base)

Lamborghini Aventador 690 HP- $393,695 (Base)

Porsche 911 Turbo S 560HP - $150,000 (Base)

McLaren 650S 640HP- $265,000 (Base)

Now with older cars:

McLaren F1 618 HP

Ferrari Enzo/Maserati MC-12 650HP

Porsche 911 GT 1 600 HP

Koenigsegg CC8S 655 HP

Mercedes Benz SL65 AMG Black Series 670 HP

I know, weight, exclusivity, design and prestige affect the cost of each of these cars. Horsepower also isn't the only important stat since handling is as or even more important. But just knowing that the car in front of you at the Dunkin' Donuts' drive-through piloted by a teacher or an Administrative Assistant can keep up with exotics is deeply satisfying.

At 16.1 Cubic Feet of trunk space, the Charger is in the top 3 sedans with the largest trunks in the market. That equates to up to 7 large microwaves or 4 Golf Club bags or 25 soccer balls or 120 gallons of milk. Long story short, your crap will fit.

The Brembo brakes are 1 inch from being the largest ever put into a production car.

It has the best Horsepower per MPG ratio of any Non-Hybrid production car

The calculation to get this number is HPxMPG

McLaren MP4-12C has 592 HP and does 24 MPG= 14,208

Challenger Hellcat 22 MPG and 707 HP = 15,554

It has the second best Top Speed per MPG ratio of any production car.

You would need more than 6 Nissan Versa's to achieve the same amount of power.

Cost of 6 Nissan Versas (Base, even without floor-mats)- $79,971

Cost of a Challenger Hellcat with every single option- $67,160

The amount of Mitsubishi Mirage engines that would fit in the Hellcat 6.2L is 5. Those 5 engines would produce almost half the power (381HP) of the Supercharged HEMI.

Total Mirage engines needed to produce 707 HP? 9.5

The drag coefficient of the Charger Hellcat of 0.32 is the lower than Koenigsegg Agrera R, Lamborghini Murcielago, Ferrari F430 between others.

Hellcat, as publicity, was so good that Dodge became the most searched for car brand on Google.

The Chargers 204 MPH Top speed is faster than any Audi, Bentley, Jaguar, Maserati currently on sale.

Both the Charger and Challenger Hellcat have each more Horsepower than ALL of the Fiat lineup.

Both on their own have more Horsepower than all of the Scion lineup excluding the iQ

The 8 Speed transmission shifts at 160 Milliseconds, which is faster than a Lexus LFA, SMG BMW, or any Aston Martin.

The Nappa Leather seats that come standard would cost $4,000 dollars as an option in a Ferrari 458.

All these cars cost twice what the Charger and Challenger Hellcat would cost decently optioned:

Aston Martin V8 Vantage

Audi R8

BMW i8

Jaguar XK-RS

Maserati Gran Turismo

Mercedes Benz G-Class

Nissan GTR Nismo

Cars That would cost 3 Times as much:

Aston Martin Vanquish

Ferrari California

Mercedes Benz SLS AMG

Guess which ones faster?

The Hellcat has become the go to answer for internet commenters. It is the liberator for the average suburban inhabitant who wants to play with the Dons in their Porsches. Its become one of the best decisions Chrysler has ever made, and it does make you think what horsepower can do to a whole car company. Long live the Cats from Hell!

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Manuél Ferrari > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:08

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The only remaining question is how reliable it will be after a few years

If it ends up being even moderately reliable then it will be a future classic for sure

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:09

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As a former Dodge owner I can say this....I think their reliability as a brand is already on par with the exotics.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:12

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17.5 (combined avg) x 707 = 12372.5

We using ricer math, now?

Vicente Esteve > Manuél Ferrari 11/25/2014 at 20:14

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Look at the NSX. Even when it wasn't as good "performance-wise" as other cars of its time, its still seen as an amazing achievement.

I wish so badly that the Hellcat does end up being reliable.

Vicente Esteve > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 11/25/2014 at 20:15

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Ouch.

And well, their partnership with Fiat won't help with that either. But compared to the usability of another fragile supercar, this may end up being the more "dependable" car.

Vicente Esteve > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura 11/25/2014 at 20:16

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I used the highway MPG.

The other cars measured were also measured by their highest MPG, but still with a combined number it can claim that fact.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Manuél Ferrari 11/25/2014 at 20:18

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MOPARs have always suffered from poor to mediocre build quality, so that has no effect on future classic status

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:19

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Probably not. It can try to claim that it tried to avoid the gas guzzler tax, though (it didn't. 707 horses better be worth the tax dent.)

Übel > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura 11/25/2014 at 20:19

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18.5*616=11,396. Pull your head out of your ass.

Vicente Esteve > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura 11/25/2014 at 20:22

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Yes, it didn't avoid the tax, which is included in the less than $60,000 dollar price tag ($59,999).

But the only cars that have more than the 707 HP, are either V12s or tuned V8's that will struggle to get 18MPG.

DoYouEvenShift > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:22

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Pushrods!!!!!!!!

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:23

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So far my Fiat has been 100% better in the reliability department as compared to my old Dodge. keep in mind though, I just have the little 500 Pop, not the L. I even had a friend that works at the dealership tell me that he tells his customers to avoid the L.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:24

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I actually looked up a number of cars that barely avoided the GGT and surprisingly, most of them had a combined average of 18. Some AMGs are in there.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > Übel 11/25/2014 at 20:27

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Actually, dismissed.

Vicente Esteve > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 11/25/2014 at 20:27

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Fiat USA would honestly be better if the L was never offered in the first place.

Axel-Ripper > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:27

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Or you could buy a Miata.

Übel > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura 11/25/2014 at 20:29

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I was looking at the Mclaren's AVG MPG to point out how asinine your comment was. Using the average MPG changes nothing about the comparison, the Hellcat still comes out ahead.

Vicente Esteve > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura 11/25/2014 at 20:29

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Yes, but most of what AMG's can do is at least 100 HP less than what the Dodge does. And with a loss of .2 MPGs? I'd say its worth it.

Vicente Esteve > Axel-Ripper 11/25/2014 at 20:29

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About 3!

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:30

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Still, that's a +$1,000 loss for the tax.

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:30

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Just throwing it out there,

Porsche 918

887hp x 71mpg = 62977

Then again, it does cost 12-13 times the price.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:31

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Agreed. When I found out that those were made in the same factory as the infamous Yugo, I knew it wouldn't end well. Any idea where they are building the X?

Axel-Ripper > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:31

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I can only drive one car at a time. I'll take the remaining $60k that I didn't spend on upgrades and put one hell of a downpayment on a house with a nice garage.

Vicente Esteve > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura 11/25/2014 at 20:31

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Its 60K. If it was 80K and verging into M5 Territory, then yes it would matter.

This is just on moderately equipped M4 Territory.

Axel-Ripper > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:32

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Also, in the official costing figures of Oppositelock, you can get 3 V6 Mustangs for that price. Which will have more power.

Vicente Esteve > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 11/25/2014 at 20:32

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Yeah, I should rephrase that to Non-Hybrids only. Thanks for the heads up!

Vicente Esteve > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 11/25/2014 at 20:35

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I had no clue about that!

The X's are built in Italy alongside the Renegade, which surprises me actually. A car that is made in the country of their brand! That's rare these days. The ads are epic as well.

Vicente Esteve > Axel-Ripper 11/25/2014 at 20:36

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THE V6 MUSTANG IS ALWAYS THE BEST VALUE!

GhostZ > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:36

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People have been making 800+HP out of supercharged OHC V8s for 30 years now. What makes them an innovation is that they can be made production-ready and sold to the general public.

Vicente Esteve > Axel-Ripper 11/25/2014 at 20:37

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I like your thinking

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:40

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In comparison, the Prius is terrible

134hp x 46mpg = 6164

Vicente Esteve > GhostZ 11/25/2014 at 20:41

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The warranty and security that you have. Also, the brand benefits from massive reactions from the public, and it works as publicity. Dodge gives a cool vibe again that will not make everyone lay 60K on a Hellcat, but they could sell more 30K V6 Charger's or Darts and customers will feel like they got the badass choice.

Vicente Esteve > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 11/25/2014 at 20:42

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Precisely!

And try something like a base Lancer that has neither horsepower OR MPG.

Manuél Ferrari > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/25/2014 at 20:43

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haha true

BigBlock440 > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:43

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It has the best Horsepower per MPG ratio of any production car

Suck it, Japanese fanbois who think HP/L is a valid measure of efficiency

Manuél Ferrari > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:44

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Except it was!

The NSX was better than the Ferrari 348. Ferrari was ashamed. It led to them making the F355 much better than the 348.

And the NSX was better than the 911 of the day (shh don't telk K Roll!)

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:47

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The 500 we get in the US is assembled in Mexico at the plant the used to build the PT Cruiser. You still see those all over the place, so they weren't that bad, reliability wise, I suppose.

I don't keep up with Jeep, so I had no idea that the Renegade was built there. Makes sense though, I hear it is just a rebodied Fiat of some sort.

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:48

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How about a Model T?

20hp x 15mpg = 300

Vicente Esteve > BigBlock440 11/25/2014 at 20:57

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Is another measure every now and then we can boast.

Like, gallon capacity of the cupholders

LappingLuke > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 20:57

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Horsepower per MPG would be HP/MPG not HP*MPG...

Vicente Esteve > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 11/25/2014 at 20:58

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It is the rebodied 500X!

Vicente Esteve > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 11/25/2014 at 20:58

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Excellent!

Vicente Esteve > LappingLuke 11/25/2014 at 21:00

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It would not be as accurate, because the lower the mpg is the higher the end figure will be

scoob > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 21:16

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I WOULD LIKE A DARK GRAY ONE WITH BRONZE OR GOLD WHEELS PLEASE AND THANK YOU

LappingLuke > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 21:21

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The words "per" and "ratio" mean divide not multiply. I should have mentioned your figure would be the Horsepower, MPG product. Or you could use the horsepower to fuel consumption (gallons per mile) and that would give the ratio you want.

Vicente Esteve > scoob 11/25/2014 at 21:29

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2 DOOR OR 4 DOOR?

Vicente Esteve > LappingLuke 11/25/2014 at 21:30

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Thanks for the heads up. Still, the MPG's it can give are surprising seeing its horsepower.

LappingLuke > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 21:31

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Yes indeed! No doubt!

BigBlock440 > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 21:31

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Efficiency is a measure of how much "work" you can produce from a given consumable. Engine displacement isn't exactly a consumable. That's why I never understood the HP/L ricers claiming their engine was more "efficient". But whatever lets them sleep at night.*

*europeans too, thinking lower displacement leads to less global warming

Vicente Esteve > BigBlock440 11/25/2014 at 21:35

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some Turbo's get the same MPG's as naturally aspirated engines when caned.

scoob > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 21:41

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OOPS, 4 DOOR PLEASE

Vicente Esteve > scoob 11/25/2014 at 21:49

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SAME AS I

BigBlock440 > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 21:51

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Not sure what you're getting at? I'm just saying that displacement does not drive efficiency. My point is Who the fuck cares if you can get 400 hp out of your 2L engine? There are quicker and easier ways to do so. Also, if that 400hp 2L only gets 10 mpg, why the fuck are you saying the 400 hp 5L that gets 20 mpg is less efficient?

scoob > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 21:51

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HELLCAT BRETHREN, YOU AND I

DasWauto > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 21:53

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The drag coefficient figure is almost certainly incorrect. 0.32 is much more likely. Your first clue: the cars you've listed as the Charger being more aerodynamically efficient than, especially the i8 (a car specifically designed for efficiency). Second, that's simply not possible with the relative brick that is the Charger (yes, I can see touches and elements to improve it but you can only dress up a pig so much).

Vicente Esteve > DasWauto 11/25/2014 at 22:01

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It is a bit misleading to say the least.

EDIT: I searched again, and got the site where they said it had a coefficient drag of .22 and the legit site where they stated the .32 figure. Will edit right away! And thanks for the share!

DasWauto > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 22:06

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No problem, i just wanted to point out the one issue i had with the post. I'd probably just remove that little section altogether. You'll find 0.32 isn't all that impressive of a CoD. For reference I think the Mk.7 Golf we both drive is at 0.29, which is pretty good for an economy car.

Vicente Esteve > DasWauto 11/25/2014 at 22:14

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Its pretty good actually. Also, our cars just won car of the year in Mexico.

*stacks trophy drawer*

Auggie > Vicente Esteve 11/25/2014 at 22:29

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That's why I think the Hellcats make such great halo cars. They are not so far removed from the normal models that they become irrelevant.

Tohru > Axel-Ripper 11/25/2014 at 22:40

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For that kind of money you could get 3 GT86's.

Vicente Esteve > BigBlock440 11/25/2014 at 23:52

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I was supporting your point. They are great engineering achievements, but on the real world they may not be as great.

Vicente Esteve > Auggie 11/25/2014 at 23:54

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And they make sense to more people!

Real suburban family men or women can make a case to buy one or lease one as the family hauler.

BigBlock440 > Vicente Esteve 11/26/2014 at 07:38

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I wasn't sure but thought so, and the rant wasn't directed at you, just at the people who think HP/L matters in the real world. I don't know if it came across that way or not, sorry if it did.

Vicente Esteve > BigBlock440 11/26/2014 at 10:39

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No man, I understand.