Get F****ed, Germany

"Burrito de EJ25" (alexcarrillo01) 11/12/2014 at 02:15 • Filed to: None

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BMW will sell you a $32,950 car with less power than a Subaru BRZ. 180 HP from a turbo charged 2.0L inline-4.

Now, imagine that paired with xDrive. It's a $2,000 optional extra with a heaping helping of weight and extra drivetrain loss.

Oh, and the only "free" colors available are white and black. The rest are a $550 extra. And you get the same standard features that are available out of your average economy car.

Yuck.

Bandit > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 02:17

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"But you get the badge so it's worth it!"

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 02:18

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it has less HP than a BRZ, but it has more torque, is easier to make fast (this same engine makes 240hp in the 328i, and would probably need just a tune to get it up there) and bears the BMW badge.

These are going to be the E30 318i's of the day in 20 years time, provided they last that long.

TheMightyTexMex > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 02:26

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Wow.

Infiniti Q40.

328hp V6.

Way more standard features.

$33,950.

CodyVella > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 02:27

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In 1984, Porsche would sell you a 944 that made a grand total of 150hp on a good day for $35,000. That's roughly $80,000 today. Yet still, 30 years later I saw one and thought to myself "I NEED THAT" like so many others.

promoted by the color red > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 02:28

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It's also the only manual RWD sedan in that price range, so there's that. The base 325i E36 cost about $32000 1994 dollars, so it's not like this is a new thing.

Burrito de EJ25 > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power 11/12/2014 at 02:40

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"and bears the BMW badge"

CRider > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 02:42

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Burrito de EJ25 > TheMightyTexMex 11/12/2014 at 02:42

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But it has a manual transmission. So, that justifies it somehow or whatever.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 02:44

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A smallish family car doesn't need 300hp. 180 will move it around just fine. (not that I'm defending BMWs ridiculous pricing or anything)

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 02:46

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come on, you and I both know it's why it costs so much. you can build your own PC for less than an Alienware, but you don't have a warranty on it. same goes for cars. you can make a sick ass FRS/BRZ for the price of a 320i, but your warranty will be long gone.

It's called prestige pricing. It's when a brand name costs more than a non-brand name.

Think Oreos and "Penguins" or Coke and "K-cola Brand" Big brands=more money

marshknute > TheMightyTexMex 11/12/2014 at 02:47

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Wow.

Wait, what's an Infiniti Q40?

BATC42 > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 02:51

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Welcome to the wonderful world of European car prices.

The same car in France costs 34,800$, on top of which you have to add 20% of VAT.

All Motor Is Best Motor > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 02:54

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Keep in mind that BMW underrates their engine output for some reason.

Burrito de EJ25 > promoted by the color red 11/12/2014 at 02:58

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It's not a new thing, but, like, so? This thing seems to have less base features than a Corolla. The standard has shot up in the mainstream. Forget about that manual transmission because you know it isn't a fair trade off.

I don't think it excuses the asking price when I can load up some economy brand's sedan with every available option and get more car for about the same amount of money than that bloated lease-mobile.

I just now went on Ford's website. Fusion Titanium, AWD, $32,435. Still cheaper, and without the typical rebates you get with a domestic vehicle. If you put it side by side with the xDrive model that's over $2,000 less.

Burrito de EJ25 > CodyVella 11/12/2014 at 02:59

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That car carries that weight quite a bit better than the overweight 3-series, I should imagine.

Also, yeah, 30 year old car.

Burrito de EJ25 > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 11/12/2014 at 03:05

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It's not at all about what it needs. It's about what's being offered for the money.

It's, like, one could get this or a Ford Fusion Titanium with AWD. And still save some money.

Burrito de EJ25 > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power 11/12/2014 at 03:05

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The badge can fuck off for all I care. In Los Angeles you're more likely to see more of these leased, bland-mobiles puttering along in traffic than you are a Prius.

FromCanadaWithLove > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 07:07

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It's not trying to be a performance car, the BRZ is.

E92M3 > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 07:26

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Don't forget to have the required walnut shell blasting done to the intake manifold every 30k miles.

spanfucker retire bitch > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power 11/12/2014 at 07:41

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That's a bad analogy, because every part you purchase comes with a warranty. I just had to RMA one of my HDDs this week. It comes with a 5-year warranty.

Good luck finding a pre-built computer that comes with a 5-year warranty as standard.

Too many M's > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 08:01

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To be honest, I would pay the extra to have a stable car at high speeds. I would feel pretty sketch cruising in a BRZ at 120mph for extended amounts of time.

bkempert > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power 11/12/2014 at 08:52

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Your PC analogy kind of didn't work with me, but I get what you're after. I would argue more to the point that the BMW would have better "creature comforts" than the 86. But then again, people are whores for badges. Basically, we are not who car companies make the bulk of their cars for. Just like with computers (I guess your analogy isn't so bad after all), companies make more mid-level machines with integrated graphics because the general consumer isn't going to be gaming or rendering. I think I'm rambling - sorry, it's early and I'm just now having my morning coffee. Also work is distracting me. Also I'm just an idiot.

Party-vi > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 09:27

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Less power but more torque (200lb-ft), which is why the base model 3-Series can hit 60mph in as much time as the BRZ.

You also get RWD, better economy than the BRZ, a 50/50 weight distribution, 8spd automatic or 6spd manual, foglights, drive dynamics settings, auto start/stop, tilt/telescoping steering wheel, power mirrors, cruise control, rain-sensing wipers, Key memory (the key controls mirror and power seat settings with climate settings, so you never had to re-adjust after someone else drives). I don't think those features are common on economy cars.

Edit: ZOMG A BMW COST MORE THAN A SUBARU/SCION TELL ME MOAR ABOUT HOW THIS IMPACTS YOUR DAILY ROUTINE.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 10:12

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I've never seen a new 320i in the real world. Just the 328 and 335.

Burrito de EJ25 > Too many M's 11/12/2014 at 11:18

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It wasn't even a real comparison. It was just an example to point out how ludicrous BMW's pricing is.

Burrito de EJ25 > FromCanadaWithLove 11/12/2014 at 11:20

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Not a comparison. It's an example. I could have just as easily picked out an economy brand's sedan and feature for feature the Beemer would lose.

Burrito de EJ25 > Party-vi 11/12/2014 at 11:23

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The BRZ's power figures were an example, not a comparison. Pick out an economy brand's mid-size sedan and go bonkers on the options list and you have a more luxurious car for less. That's especially true if you're looking for AWD.

And yes, most of those features, which I doubt come as standard on the 320i, are optional extras on the economy brands.

Party-vi > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 11:31

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The features listed are all standard for the 320i, as pulled from BMW's website. (fog lights are questionable). A Ford is always going to cost less than a comparable BMW because it's a Ford. The reason for this is that it's assumed the the BMW has more attention to detail and is better engineered than the Ford. Parts are supposedly of a better quality and the driving experience is also supposed to be better. When comparing any 2002 Ford product to my 2002 330Ci I would tend to agree. We also need to figure out what your definition of "luxurious" is. Leather interior and a nice stereo? Of course an optioned-up economy brand car is going to be more "luxurious" than a base-model stripper BMW. BMW does not make economy cars. Subaru and Ford do. Your argument is the same as the manual vs. automatic, or old vs. new argument, or even apples vs. oranges. No shit an economy car is going to be cheaper than a luxury car.

Also for the life of me I can't figure out why anyone would look for AWD in a new car - worse gas mileage and more stuff to break.

duurtlang > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 12:59

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Meanwhile, in Germany

Notice that €31.4k = $39.1k US. As a sedan it's €29.7k = $36.9k. Also notice that the 320i is far more expensive.

Mattbob > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 13:15

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and now you are talking about motorcycles. Stay on topic man! Sorry, I had to.

Mattbob > Party-vi 11/12/2014 at 13:27

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it's hard to explain the differences in chassis/drive train and suspension that come with the more expensive brand. I think you just have to drive them both. As we all know here at oppo, the numbers don't make the car.

For AWD though, I don't know where you are, but up here in Michigan, AWD really does help with control when there is a lot of snow. Not stopping, but stability at speed.

Mattbob > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 13:32

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You can't really make comparisons like that until you drive both of them. The numbers almost never speak to what a car is really like. There are things like cabin noise, handling, high speed stability, materials used, drive train engineering that the numbers on paper really don't begin to touch. I drive a '93 325i and do all the work on it. It has held up over the years WAAAAY better than any tarted up econobox ever would have, and I am still confident in driving it at a fairly high speed.

RallyWrench > E92M3 11/12/2014 at 14:57

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No joke, you can't even see the valves on some cars.

Burrito de EJ25 > Mattbob 11/12/2014 at 15:54

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A stripper model BMW is WAAAAAAY better than a top trim Fusion, Mazda6, and 200C? I don't think so.

Mattbob > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 19:05

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if you like driving, yes. Yes it is. Not to mention resale value and longevity.

CodyVella > Burrito de EJ25 11/12/2014 at 23:32

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30 years old yes. but still cost the equivalent of $80,000 well equipped in 1984. And they still sold boatloads.