Is this stuff any good?

"G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3" (gbodyman)
10/30/2014 at 09:51 • Filed to: Oldsmoboat Gutbus Extreme

I'm planning on picking some up for the Oldsmoboat Gutbus Extreme, and I wanted some Oppoinions on it.

DISCUSSION (22)

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
10/30/2014 at 09:54

What's it going in (engine type, age, etc)? Do you use synthetic or conventional oil? I'm asking these questions like I know what I'm talking about and waiting for someone else to chime in.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
10/30/2014 at 10:04

I put it in my second car when I was 16. It ran fine before hand, just wanted moar power! Not long after that it stopped running. Don't ask me for details. I was 16 and didn't know shit about cars. But I do remember it looked like the oil you would get out of a bad differential, just as much metal as fluid. It may not have happened because of this stuff, but it's a temporary limp along solution at best. I won't ever touch the shit again.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
10/30/2014 at 10:09

It's going in a Chevy 305. I'm running Mobil Super 2000, and a generic Motomaster oil filter.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
10/30/2014 at 10:10

I think it was because your car was abused, and it needed a good oil flush.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
10/30/2014 at 10:14

Don't know for sure but here's what I've heard - they work best in engines that are older but lower in miles. Basically, engines that didn't regularly have the fluids circulated through them. Time and oxidation eat away slightly at the gasket causing very tiny leaks but some of those additives for the coolant system can fix those small holes. But I don't know/remember which ones. The "fix" is good for about a year or two. Engine heat will break down anything that is liquid at coolant temperature. But for 20-40$ it's cheaper and easier than a head gasket for a 20 y/o V6 or V8 car with only 100k miles.

High mileage, old gasket? These won't do anything. They can't do miracles.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/30/2014 at 10:17

I'm just worried about compression loss in my 84 Chevy 305, so I think that this oil additive may work well.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
10/30/2014 at 10:18

Oil? Ummmm.......I'm not too sure but I don't think the oil additives do much for compression loss. Usually that's leaks or damage to the gasket. I'm not 100% sure so don't quote me, but the one I remember seeing a guy do on his own vehicle went into the coolant system. And he had to run it on and off for like 2 hours to get it all in evenly.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
10/30/2014 at 10:20

I used to use this shit in my Alfa 164-S after it had over 300K miles on it. I can't say I noticed any enhanced performance, but my oil consumption did seem to go down by about 50% (important fact when running Mobil-1 20w-50), so it was doing SOMETHING.... car was still running fine when we parted ways at over 400K miles...

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/30/2014 at 10:22

What the hell was his head gasket made of?

Nibbles > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/30/2014 at 10:29

You're probably thinking of Bar's Radiator Stop Leak or another similar product.

Will with a W8 races an E30 > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
10/30/2014 at 10:36

I would never add anything to the oil. In most cases an aftermarket additive will degrade an oil's load carrying capability. Use a decent oil to begin with, and don't worry about consumption. I have a big list of film strengths for various brands and weights, and it shows that in general aftermarket additives will degrade the oil's performance. Can't find an online version, I'll see if I can upload someplace.

I run Mobil 1 or Castrol GTX in my cars because they tend to leave the most margin in film strength for the weights I need. No additive.

Also, while I'm preaching about oil, avoid Microguard filters (some models don't have bypass valves and will starve your engine above ~3000rpm, ask me how I know). Wix, Bosch, Mobil1 are all good. Some people warn against Fram, but I've never tried one, nor cut it open. Bosch tends to not use a check valve which could be dangerous depending on how your filter is oriented in the car.

And finally, read this: http://www.nonlintec.com/sprite/oil_myt…

crowmolly > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
10/30/2014 at 10:37

Is that oil approved for flat tappet camshafts?

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Nibbles
10/30/2014 at 10:38

No, I know there's a few head gasket repair additives that go through the coolant system. Steel Seal is one that I considered for my monte carlo when I needed to do it, but I have no clue if that was what he put in or not. I junked my monte carlo since the subframe was effectifely bent out of shape anyways.

Will with a W8 races an E30 > Will with a W8 races an E30
10/30/2014 at 10:38

Found it, he's even updated since my last look:

http://540ratblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/mot…

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > crowmolly
10/30/2014 at 10:53

Yup.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t
10/30/2014 at 10:54

Thanks, man! It's burning a little bit of oil, so we'll see if this helps.

Nibbles > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/30/2014 at 10:55

Those products are good at gunking up your system and making a head gasket repair job even more painful. You made a good choice by not using it.

E92M3 > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
10/30/2014 at 11:03

Nothing but snake oil my man. Don't waste your money.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Nibbles
10/30/2014 at 11:03

In all honesty I don't trust them in either end. Those particulates that are supposed to fill the gaps in the gasket should NOT be in your engine oil. I'm just saying there are some that *supposedly* work, but it's such a specific circumstance and I don't think there's any getting around an outright worn out gasket.....

BoulderZ > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
10/30/2014 at 11:47

Long, long ago before I started wrenching and restoring, I tried this in my first (89 Toyota 2wd 4 cyl pickup) car to get a little bit of compression and power back. It had over 100k on it at the time and I naively figured maybe this would help. It did help, for a year or two. The truck continued to run (it's a 22R, it will run forever, just not well). I eventually decided to rebuild rather than replace the truck. When I took it down to the bare block, you could see how the additive had stuck many of the rings and had deposited all over the lower end. It all come off with the hot-tank cleaning, and I replaced the pistons for the bore-out anyway. That truck is still my main gas-powered vehicle, works great. So, short term on a loose tolerance motor, it sorta helped. Long term, it'll impair your rings and oiling system. In hindsight, if it's at all possible I'd say that if you need Engine Restorer, you actually need an engine refresh. So, consider your future plans for the car. If you're going to keep it, you need to start planning a rebuild/refresh. If you're going to get rid of it in a year or so, not a big deal for you but not a great thing to do the next owner.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
10/31/2014 at 01:50

Actually it was a Buick with only 70k miles. With service records, and no sign of abuse.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
10/31/2014 at 09:00

Wow, okay. I will not use this stuff.