Wow......the crappiest stories keep hitting the front page.

"themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce)
10/20/2014 at 12:58 • Filed to: None

Between last week (or the week prior) when the year old "i8 rear looks like a 911 rear" and today's hilariously ignorant "Best budget track cars" article I have to ask who keeps sharing these terrible stories out of everything else on Oppo. I know not everything is amazing but maybe if the comments are full of people not liking the post......maybe it shouldn't go to the front? Just a thought?

Patrick, be honest, is this revenge for making those gifs out of your appearance on RCR?

DISCUSSION (86)

Sweet Trav > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 13:04

Real Best track cars for the money:

Tata nano.

Ford Festiva.

Geo Metro.

K5 Blazer.

Unimog.

For Sweden > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 13:06

This post is so salty.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 13:06

Agreed, that "Best Track Cars" article is fucking stupid.

mcseanerson > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 13:12

FP = Clickbait.

That should explain everything.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > For Sweden
10/20/2014 at 13:16

I don't think so. Where is this misconception of that you need an exotic for a track day? This is fucking Oppositelock. This is the last place to be expecting the misconception (if there even is one) that you only need an exotic for a track day. It's total bull crap, anybody who has an ounce of desire to do a track day isn't going to be thinking, "Fuck, I need a Porsche if I'm going to do a track day."

Alfalfa > Sweet Trav
10/20/2014 at 13:18

Kinja'd!!!

Unimog racecar! Sponsored by a firearms manufacturer, because of course.

macanamera > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 13:18

[redacted]

macanamera > For Sweden
10/20/2014 at 13:18

This post is so salty I can't drink it at the risk of suffering kidney damage and becoming delirious.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > For Sweden
10/20/2014 at 13:19

Oppositelock will need a "low sodium" version soon. We're saltier than a bunch of old fishermen these days.

Sweet Trav > Alfalfa
10/20/2014 at 13:19

Firearms Accessory* manufacturer.

mcseanerson > Sweet Trav
10/20/2014 at 13:20

You forgot the Suzuki Swift.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 13:21

Okay, I don't even like the Miata and am questioning why it isn't on that list.

Or the Sky/Solstice

Or GTO

Or F-Body

Or LITERALLY ANYTHING BUT A DAMN E46 M3 WHAT THE FUCK.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > macanamera
10/20/2014 at 13:22

My post is so salty all nearby VWs just rusted a little bit.

EDIT: Shit......my boss drives a mk2 jetta.....oh well, he knew the risks.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
10/20/2014 at 13:23

No joke, his reasoning for not including the miata was that it isn't fast enough......Typical evo driver mentality.

Jayhawk Jake > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
10/20/2014 at 13:25

Have you read the comments on that article? The author discredits the Miata for being 'too easy to drive', all FWD cars for being FWD...it's pretty sad. I agree with themanwithsauce on this one.

Burrito de EJ25 > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 13:26

Top X lists are click bait trash. That's probably why it was picked.

Sweet Trav > mcseanerson
10/20/2014 at 13:28

Suzuki Swift = Geo Metro.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Burrito de EJ25
10/20/2014 at 13:28

I now want to make a "Top 10 best spare tires" post.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 13:29

For the price of purchase and upkeep on some of those cars, I could turbo AND race prep an NA Miata.

Evo drivers, I swur.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > Jayhawk Jake
10/20/2014 at 13:31

He's a fucking retard. I don't even like the Miata but one can't discredit the Miata for being a great car for autocross and track days.

Ever notice how usually good Oppositelock stories get a good amount of recommendations? That one...all the views, none of the stars. The story is dumb. That guy is all on his own.

Gamecat235 > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 13:31

As much as I agree that the list of vehicles provided for best "budget" track cars is, well, anything but budget minded. You need to dial back the rhetoric. The underhanded insult toward the staff and direct criticisms of the budget post creator are toeing the line regarding behavior we spelled out in the handbook.

we strongly discourage people from making posts attacking other commenters or communities, starting inter-forum pissing contests, and purposefully picking fights with people you don't get along with.

There are ways you can voice this without coming across quite so aggressively while still communicating exactly what you are displeased with. Try to keep that in mind in the future.

HammerheadFistpunch > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 13:31

maybe its the sauce, have you tried using less of it?

mcseanerson > Sweet Trav
10/20/2014 at 13:32

I want the modern Suzuki Swift we were promised but never received.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 13:33

Top 10 best air fresheners you need to buy now!

Top 10 air vent positions

Sweet Trav > mcseanerson
10/20/2014 at 13:33

I second this notion.

Patrick George > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 13:36

I posted it because he emailed us and asked us to, and it got a good discussion going about entry track cars. We're talking about it now, aren't we?

As always, if you have a good post, email it to us! We'll usually share it!

Alfalfa > Sweet Trav
10/20/2014 at 13:36

I know, but didn't bother because

a) I'm too lazy to type an extra word, and

b) they technically do make firearms, but they've all been concepts rather than production models.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
10/20/2014 at 13:36

Top 8 worst radio presets!

Top 5 best cupholders

Top 7 power window switches

Top 12.3 power mirror controls

top 4.77 uses for your rear headrests (#3 will amaze you!)

top 17.171717171717171717 reasons why silver is the best color for your next honda accord

Sweet Trav > Alfalfa
10/20/2014 at 13:37

they make some nice, if slightly overpriced stuff.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > HammerheadFistpunch
10/20/2014 at 13:39

People like him are why I use it.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 13:44

I love when Evo drivers at autocross go on and on about the lack of power in the Miatas and Toyobarus.... Right before being demolished by them.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
10/20/2014 at 13:44

Or just race prep without the turbo for spec miata!

Alfalfa > Sweet Trav
10/20/2014 at 13:49

Compared to others of similar performance and reliability, I think most of their stuff is a pretty good deal. I have an MBUS rear backup sight that was actually the cheapest option today didn't have dismal reviews. And I love my composite handguard.

Michael Ballaban > mcseanerson
10/20/2014 at 13:50

Shut up about clickbait.

Jayhawk Jake > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
10/20/2014 at 13:51

One of his responses convinced me he's never been to a trackday or autocross. He said the miata is too easy, any imp can drive one at the limit.

Yeah, right.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > Jayhawk Jake
10/20/2014 at 13:54

Chances are he probably got bored with how slow the car probably was on a wide and open track.

Sweet Trav > Alfalfa
10/20/2014 at 13:57

I take a hard line on weapon accessories, either GI/military issue or not at all.

So much of the stuff looks and feels cool on a showroom floor, but in a firefight, i want the lightest, most reliable and accurate components possible.

TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut > For Sweden
10/20/2014 at 14:05

Too salty even for Page 3 of The Sun.

Brian Silvestro > Patrick George
10/20/2014 at 14:10

I usually just tweet at you, but that never works. So I'll start emailing.

Patrick George > Brian Silvestro
10/20/2014 at 14:15

If we miss stuff it's only because we get busy grinding, but we try not to.

Dusty Ventures > Patrick George
10/20/2014 at 14:18

I agree, it's a good discussion to have. I also enjoyed the i8 Photoshop post last week, so I have zero complaints. But on the subject of posts meriting a visit to the front page, can I cast a vote for the "air show" post by ShiftsAndGiggles? Because good lord that footy is incredible.

Brian Silvestro > Patrick George
10/20/2014 at 14:19

we get busy grinding

On each other? If so, that's understandable.

Here's the thing: http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/attending-the-…

thanks!

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 14:26

This will be jalopnik soon. We had the ideas first though so we can at least get paid.

Eli's Got 2 > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
10/20/2014 at 14:36

Hahaha. I would read both of those.

Justin T. Westbrook > Michael Ballaban
10/20/2014 at 14:46

I thought Clickbaitgate was over. And why are we 'gating' everything now.

crowmolly > Sweet Trav
10/20/2014 at 15:04

Hey, don't they make parts for "assault rifles"?

Stef Schrader > Dusty Ventures
10/20/2014 at 15:07

SEND MOAR RALLYPORNS, DUSTY. SEND THEM TO MEEEEE.

Stef Schrader > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
10/20/2014 at 15:07

Or the 944! 944 is the answer to everything.

Dusty Ventures > Stef Schrader
10/20/2014 at 15:08

You'll just hog them all for yourself.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Stef Schrader
10/20/2014 at 15:09

Valid. It's like the Miata, but better looking and I can fit in it!

Sweet Trav > crowmolly
10/20/2014 at 15:11

Sporting and Semi-Automatic weapons are not equal to Assault Rifles.

It's like saying a Ford Fusion is a NASCAR, they may be roughly the same shape and look alike, but capabilities are far different.

crowmolly > Sweet Trav
10/20/2014 at 15:19

I am being a dickbag. I hate the term "assault rifle".

Sweet Trav > crowmolly
10/20/2014 at 15:21

Kinja'd!!!

seriouslywhyiskinjastillterrible > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 15:37

Jalopnik should just link to more of other peoples decent content, I think that's what attracted me in the first place. Not war commentary or commercial air travel and all that other creep for traffic ratings, or 900 posts about one car and zero about others.

and get kinja fixed for the fuckteenth million time. I can see the fucking glaring javascript bugs right there in my chrome console. why I'm still here is a mystery.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
10/20/2014 at 15:49

Fuck it, I'm making one of these tonight.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 16:10

And then we try to get it on the FP

mcseanerson > Michael Ballaban
10/20/2014 at 17:11

No.

uofime > Justin T. Westbrook
10/20/2014 at 17:29

yeah, but its just clickbait

MFEJAL grey because who knows... > Michael Ballaban
10/20/2014 at 17:33

You see, you see, we can't trust you, because you are part of the "clickbaiters". Reptiloids, Aliens and now you guys are going to ruin our planet. Got my tin hat ready. HA!

45bullets > Sweet Trav
10/20/2014 at 17:52

you forgot the g-whiz.

Sweet Trav > 45bullets
10/20/2014 at 18:48

G-whiz is a quadracycle sir.

Strange Noises Alou > Michael Ballaban
10/20/2014 at 19:32

can you please explain why it seems to be formal editorial policy now, all across the Gawker Media sites, to respond to any accusation of clickbait with that link, captioned "shut up about clickbait"?

Strange Noises Alou > Justin T. Westbrook
10/20/2014 at 19:32

except shifters. those need to be gated significantly more than they are now.

Michael Ballaban > Strange Noises Alou
10/20/2014 at 20:17

Definitely not formal editorial policy. I wish we were that conspiratorial-minded, but alas, no. We're all just tired of hearing about it, and the post on Deadspin is a lot easier to link to rather than repetitively spit out the same argument ad nauseum. It pretty much sums up how I feel.

I'm happy to talk about it, though.

Michael Ballaban > mcseanerson
10/20/2014 at 20:18

Yo that's a legit question

Dsscats > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 20:20

Yeah, the front page has really gone down hill in the last month or so. I know there aren't a huge amount of new things to write about out there, but it's Jalopnik's job to make those! Go on a road trip, off road a Mirage, buy a $500 car and try to make it cross country, but don't just let it get boring.

Strange Noises Alou > Michael Ballaban
10/20/2014 at 20:23

I wish I could find the reference (I think it was on mainline Gawker) where - about 2-3 weeks ago - one of the well-known editors replied the exact thing that you just did. link, captioned "Shut up about clickbait." - same capitalization and punctuation and all.

the problem with that article's premise is that it asserts that the definition of clickbait is "things people like to read". not so - clickbait is a specific technique of withholding a critical bit of information, forcing people to follow a link. it has nothing to do with how "self-serious" newspapers are. it's the specific making me jump through hoops. it's the equivalent of "article continues on page 142".

mcseanerson > Michael Ballaban
10/20/2014 at 20:53

I get it and I don't mind. Personally I like it better when you editors hang out on Oppo with us FP lurkers.

mcseanerson > Strange Noises Alou
10/20/2014 at 20:57

To be fair to to Gawker net many other sites are far worse. Been to Forbes.com recently? Expect to click to continue after viewing an ad. How about Elsewhere on the web links many pages do. It pops open another tab with a dozen or more clickbait articles and then you have to clink the original link again going to yet another page that will yet again be covered in clickbait.

Michael Ballaban > Strange Noises Alou
10/20/2014 at 21:10

On your first point – I am not an original writer. I'm working on it, maybe one day. I really wish I could expose a vast conspiracy, but not even my boss's emails stay private. I doubt a company-wide policy would go unnoticed.

On your second point – we try to interest you in reading the story, that's true, yet at the same time telling you what happened. We can't include every single detail in the headline, otherwise it wouldn't be a headline, it would just be an article. But we do try to get you the most pertinent facts in there, while still persuading you to click through the article. (If wanting people to read my full articles, and not simply the headlines, is a crime, then I'm a goddamn criminal.)

But if we don't get to what you feel is a critical piece of information until the very bottom, then that's our fault for burying the lede . If you feel we glossed over an important detail, feel free to mention it and talk about it in the comments – there's a good chance we'll join in the conversation with you if we feel you raise salient points.

But yeah, at the end of the day, we're limited to roughly 70 characters in the headline and 330 characters in the lede paragraph (thanks Kinja). We try our best under the circumstances.

Next time you feel that I write a "clickbait" headline and lede, why don't you suggest a new one? Remember, it's got to fall within the rules of both journalism and post formatting. So it has to 1) Be informative 2) Be persuasive 3) Have the headline at 70 characters maximum and 4) Have the lede under 330 characters.

Have a crack at it, you can't do any worse than me.

Strange Noises Alou > Michael Ballaban
10/20/2014 at 21:16

fair enough. I just happen to find that article insufferably stupid - and I think it's definitely diminishing the quality of discourse that all the staff members at Gawker are, in my perception anyway, knee-jerk copying and pasting a link to it every time someone criticizes them for engaging in clickbait techniques.

I will agree that the headlines here are significantly better than "10 surprising ways to increase your penis size - #4 will make you laugh, cry, AND blow chunks!" that the vast majority of the internet has seemingly migrated to. I just think that, if you have a strong and well-reasoned stance (see comment to which I am replying), you should probably let that stand front-and-center, as opposed to parroting that idiotic, muddled article that does not even appear to be in line with Gawker Media's headline-writing standards.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Dsscats
10/20/2014 at 22:13

Well as PG said- apparently they only share if you email? But at the same time why would they share articles where obviously the comments are against the OP? He said "it facilitated discussion".....YES IT DID BY US TEARING HIM A NEW ONE SO WHY PUT IT ON THE FRONT PAGE?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!

Between this and the seemingly weekly "controversy" of a post, I have no desire to psot regularly on Oppo anymore. For some of these idiots that makes them breathe a sigh of relief. But it makes me sad to lose a place I hoped I could call home.

Dsscats > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 22:17

Not true about the email. I've had 3 articles FP'd and I didn't email about a single one. It's just what the authors think is "interesting" and "controversial." It's kinda ruining the FP. They seem to be getting a bit more lazy and the FP is going down hill as a result.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Patrick George
10/20/2014 at 22:19

Okay I had to wait until I had the much more civil words but hear me out for a second- you shared a page that had a lot of very negative comments on it. I understand there was a discussion, but why not write up a brief "ask us" post instead? It comes across as either laziness where you just read the title and said "Yup, front page!" or as being out of touch with what has been happening in Oppo lately. A lot of people are very angry at one another for various reasons. Some legit, some not. By promoting an article to the FP, you are giving that person encouragement for their article. But when you encourage what the community has deemed a "bad" article? You are doing nothing but a disservice to Oppo and Jalopnik. Did you actually read the comments or the article? A lot of people are very angry at him for being the stereotype we all want to extinguish. He drives a tuned evo, talks like everyone has a spare 15-30k (which is what he has lying around for his engine rebuilds every year OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH) and was a totla dick to everyone bringing up their own cheap cars about how they don't count for arbitrary reasons! I'm sorry for being worked up into a bile-filled rage but this si the type of person who drives away page views and visits because, afetr all "Oh, jalopnik is that place for ricers and idiots to talk shit in the comments about crappy posts". And before you go saying "Well don't read it" I think you might want to keep an eye on those page views because it won't belong before people go elsewhere. This is a problem that has been ongoing for over a month and this is the first time I made a comment on it. I am not alone. Do what you think is best but be careful. This is a very fragile community right now.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Dsscats
10/20/2014 at 22:23

I know that, I didn;t have the time to put that point across as multiplecars that time forgot articles were FP'd without my consent or permission. But yes, the FP is being tainted very rapidly. As I said to PG, okay tell us to not visit......but watch those page views plummet as this community dies out quickly. I feel like there is a wekely controversy about BS and it has made it not fun to write on oppo anymore between the controversies and daily "URRRRR I DONT UNDERSTAND OWMEN" rants by teenagers.......

Oppo has become livejournal for people with a passing interest in cars.

Patrick George > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 22:28

So go into the comments and disagree with him. That's what comments are for. It's a discussion, like at a dinner party. We're not all going to agree and that's okay — there's never really going to be a consensus here or anywhere. Plus, Promo's a big boy, he can defend his point of view.

As for OppositeLock, Oppo is its own thing and always will be. And should be! Just because Jalopnik shares a story doesn't do a disservice to Oppo.

And like I said, email us at tips@jalopnik.com if you see a story that really belongs on the FP. We check in to Oppo a lot but we grind and we often miss stuff.

Dsscats > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 22:29

And the amount of people now a days who just come to Oppo to write one article and ditch is huge.

Patrick George > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 22:38

Then again, if he's dismissing dissenting comments, that is not cool. I'll have words with him.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Patrick George
10/20/2014 at 22:53

We did speak out against him. I seem to be one of the few who got dismissed and he seemed to have very little to say after that. He un-dmismissed it much later but as I and a few others called him out on it, he gave up. But that isn't quite the point I'm trying to get at. The focus was on the fact that Oppo is not the same as it was just a few months ago. There have been several temporary bans and lots of outright hostilities involving other boards that, in all truth, did warrant the temporary bans and whatnot. I'm not arguing that. However, I would ask that you consider that people have been at each other's throats in disagreement a lot more than usual and keep that in consideration before promoting an article that seems to provoke such negative comments and "discussion".

I will freely admit that, as someone who came from the detroit area and used to be part of a large "car club" that basically ran the street racing scene on woodward and the like, my opinion of the poster is different than the rest. I will not dox him and I'll do my best to keep it private, but I will be frank and say that seeing his article with his hate filled comments hit the front page angered me on a personal level. I will not share my personal opinions of him outside of the fact that they are negative, but judging by some of the responses, it angered others too. I did indeed spread the bile and anger because I am not a fan of how he represents the automotive community. But to see it spread as it did, while filling me with glee, does not do Oppo or Jalopnik any favors. You cheapened both boards by haring it in my opinion and it's looking like others did too.

I guess what I would like to see considered is the following - read the comments before you do a share. Whether or not it was requested, check and see what the general consensus is of those in Oppo commenting. Discussion is not always a good thing. Lots of comments that are angry at the article will mean you will only get more angry comments when it is shared. This means more people draw their lines in the sand and the community in general takes another hit. At least, that's my impression and my opinion.

Patrick George > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/20/2014 at 22:56

Alright, fair enough. Good points all around. We'll try to be more conscientious of comments and what readers say before we share stuff moving forward. At the same time, I'd ask that you not equate your personal problems with Promo with criticism of us, because that isn't fair to us.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Patrick George
10/20/2014 at 22:59

Agreed, I apologize for doing so and letting one fire feed another. The comments were one thing but this post was one of frustration and not content and thankfully it didn't seem to cause too much of a stir.

Grant Leavitt > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/21/2014 at 00:15

Top cupholders will be all cars with the cupholder behind the gear shifter... Mine list, hypothetically, would include cupholders in FRONT OF or BESIDE the shifter, which is the better place. kept elbowing my drink in my RX-8 but my 2000 Focus had the cupholders in front, easy to reach without contorting my arm...

Goodness, I'm taking this cupholder shit too seriously...

anon-sxmcyecofnu1eocpqsk9iq > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/21/2014 at 00:26

Top 8.23956 interior plastic grains

Top 3.98 license plate mounting points

Top 5.732894 fog light locations

Top 9.347 interior clock colours

Gamecat235 > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
10/21/2014 at 12:03

There's nothing "fragile" about this community. We're stronger than ever, but there are a lot of dissenting viewpoints, which leads to what appears to be factions of people taking sides over opinions. This has happened before and will happen again.

If people leave, they leave. Some will come back, others will be replaced. It's the circle of Oppo. =)

RotaryLove > Sweet Trav
10/22/2014 at 08:57

You forgot the Citroen 2CV, bro.

Sweet Trav > RotaryLove
10/22/2014 at 08:59

Nah, Too French.