458 Speciale vs. 991 GT3

"CAcoalminer" (CAcoalminer) 10/16/2014 at 12:13 • Filed to: None

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Beautiful scenery and two exhilarating vehicles that make wonderful noises. It doesn't get much better than this.

Also, you might enjoy this video as well, as it really captures the GT3's exhaust note:

For Sweden > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 12:21

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dat 485

CAcoalminer > For Sweden 10/16/2014 at 12:25

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Indeed.

$kaycog > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 12:30

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It does get much better than that, you silly man. ;D

CAcoalminer > $kaycog 10/16/2014 at 12:31

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I stand corrected, my dear.

B_dol > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 12:48

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Do you miss yours? I seem to recall you had a Porsche or 2 prior to the current collection.

HMMMA > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 13:12

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So Ferrari is willing to allow a video comparison against a GT3 but no one else? They can be so vexing sometimes.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 14:58

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the want for a 991 GT3 is crazy.. But I won't allow myself to spend over $100k on a car that doesn't have a third pedal.

Good thing I love the 997.2 GT3!

I liked the R8, but then I drove a GT-R and it's made the R8 appear soft. While the R8 I drove was a V8 spyder, the GT-R absolutely took the spot as my favorite AWD exotic. The lack of a third pedal just kills me though. I've yet to try an AWD 911 yet.

CAcoalminer > B_dol 10/16/2014 at 18:19

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Most definitely. For instance, I was just thinking a few days ago about how much I used to enjoy flogging the 4.0 around my favorite backroads. The sound, grip, and precision just worked so well together.

CAcoalminer > HMMMA 10/16/2014 at 18:19

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True.

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/16/2014 at 18:22

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Haha. I admire your resolve but that's going to become increasingly difficult to maintain.

Interesting. You're one of the few people I've heard of that enjoy the GT-R over the "established" brands.

You'll probably like the 991 Turbo S if you're not turned off by the GT-R's exhaust note.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 18:34

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I bet I'd enjoy the V10 R8 manual coupe more than the GT-R. The dual clutch V8 spyder was still great, but I had more fun in the GT-R.

I am in fact a fan of the exhaust note on the 991 turbo s. Have you heard any Porsches that have been touched by the boys over at BBI Autosport? They are a god among Porsche tuners IMO..

Unfortunately I have a problem that's stopping me from buying any of these. I have no garage!

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/16/2014 at 19:13

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Most likely.

I believe that I've seen a few of their cars but I don't have extensive knowledge of them.

Oh. That is quite the issue.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 19:18

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they offer custom exhausts, tunes, suspension kits, etc. for mainly for VAG products.

It is, it's why I can't buy myself a toy yet. What's the point of buying a GT-R or R8 if i know its gonna get covered in door dings and crap all the time?

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/16/2014 at 19:22

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Ah. I see.

True but I assume that you would use them extensively. Therefore, door dings will unfortunately most likely happen even if you did have a garage.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 19:29

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it certainly wouldn't be a garage queen, but i've gotten some nasty dings from my neighbors. A lot of young kids in my neighborhood.

Another thing is the attention, I like the 911, R8, and even the GT-R due to how relatively subtle they are as long as you avoid certain colors. I would feel weird if everyone stared at me whenever I drove the car to leave my neighborhood.

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/16/2014 at 19:30

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Good point.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 19:38

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So how have you been? Any of the cars giving you trouble lately? I spoke with a Mclaren salesmen and he was telling me that the MP412c has been relatively trouble free so far. Very encouraging for anyone in the market.

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/16/2014 at 19:54

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Very well. Thank you for asking. How have you been?

Thankfully, no. They've all been very well behaved, just the usual maintenance. Ofcourse, the GTs have never given me issues.

Concerning the 12c specifically, mine has always been an extremely reliable vehicle. In fact, the only issues I have with it had to do with small electronic glitches (the navigation wouldn't always work, it wouldn't recognize my phone, etc.) Fortunately, they've all been fixed with software updates.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 20:14

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That's good to hear. I've been doing fine as well, unfortunately that gradual change in weather has hit and it's usually pretty gloomy outside, but besides that, nothing to complain about!

That's good to here. I've heard the GT's were rather robust, not really any problems popping up unless the cars were driven very aggressively. I saw one in a garage just the other day, wow! Almost forgot how much I like them.

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/16/2014 at 20:41

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I'm glad to hear that.

Huh. Well I wonder who you heard that from. The GT is an extremely robust vehicle that should have no problems at all, even when driven aggressively. In fact, the only thing that seems to hurt them are 3rd gear starts and terrible electrical grounds that will kill your gauges. The engine and transmission will easily hold up to 1,000 hp without any modifications other than a different clutch.

Personally, I only change fluids and filters and have never had any issues.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 20:45

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I spoke to an older gentlemen at a local cars & coffee. He was telling me he was retiring it from track duty because the maintenance was getting too expensive, so he picked up a spec miata to keep costs down.

Any performance mods on either of your GT's?

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/16/2014 at 21:22

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That's very strange. To track a GT, all you need is a transmission cooler, brake upgrade (I just use different Brembo front rotors but AP Racing also has a kit for all for corners that gets you 6 piston fronts), track pads (I prefer the Pagid RS), make the factory front brake ducts functional, and maybe a racing radiator but I've never had any issues with the stock one. I mean you could also add Hoosier R6s and an Ahlman Engineering suspension but they really aren't absolutely necessary.

Just my blue one. Here's most of the modifications:

Whipple 4.0L Supercharger

Whipple Carbon Intake support sleeve

Accufab dual blade throttle body

Ford Racing short shifter

CoolTech Bumper Delete Exhaust

30lb Boost Gauge

Safecraft Fire suppression system

Billet CNC machined Engine brace bars Ceramic Coated in Blue

Billet CNC machined Clamshell vents (Tops and Sides) Finished in Factory color finishes

Black Ceramic Coated Valve Covers

Blue and Black Coil Covers

CoolTech Transmission Cooler

GT40 Concept Engine bay Res Caps in Satin Silver

CDC Bumper Delete Kit

Penske 3 way Adjustable Suspension with Ext Res.

Color Matched Coil Springs

Carbon Fiber Rear Belly Pan and Rear diffusers

Carbon Fiber Side Splitters

Carbon Fiber Front Spoiler

Carbon Fiber Side Scoops

Carbon Fiber Rear Window Surrounds

Carbon Fiber Door Panels

Carbon Fiber Door Trim Rings

Carbon Fiber Door Handles

Carbon Fiber Center Console with Storage

Carbon Fiber McIntosh Relocation Storage Pocket

Carbon Fiber Gauge Bezel

Carbon Fiber Gauge Binnacle

Carbon Fiber Steering wheel Spokes

Carbon Fiber Double Din Radio Console

Pioneer Double Din Radio with Navigation, Reverse Camera, Sat Radio, Bluetooth, etc.

JL Audio Class D Amp Powering 8 pioneer Sub in Custom Fitted Enclosure.

Memphis Car audio Component Set in Doors

Full Alcantara and Carbon Seats with Blue Stitching and Red Sparco Logo

Alcantara Steering wheel with Yellow Center Stripe and White Stitching

Alcantara Door Insert pads

Alcantara Floor mats

Billet CNC Machined Ford GT UPPER SEAT INSERTS

HRE P101 20 inch Wheels in Brushed Clear

Michelin Super Sport Tires (F-265, R-345)

Custom GT Logo Lug Nuts

Full Clear Bra covering entire front end of the car from the Windshield forward (Full Bumper, Full Fenders, Full Hood, Headlights, fog lights, Full rocker Panels, Side flares, etc.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 22:24

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Sounds like it's time for another...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 22:25

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He's messing with you. *458 =)

CAcoalminer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/16/2014 at 22:31

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Nope. The prices are insane right now.

CAcoalminer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/16/2014 at 22:33

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I know but I wanted to see if anyone else noticed. I just changed it.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CAcoalminer 10/16/2014 at 22:37

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As epic as it is, I think I want the GT3 more...

CAcoalminer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/16/2014 at 22:41

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I agree. Much more usable of the two.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/18/2014 at 00:59

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No.jpg

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/18/2014 at 05:33

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Yes. The GT3 has more luggage space, uses less fuel, and has better sound insulation.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/18/2014 at 11:31

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All true

But both of these cars are so expensive. If buying may as well get the most special one. You could always buy a 997.1 C2 Manuél for $35K to have for practical reasons :)

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/18/2014 at 11:43

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I agree that there are much more practical vehicles than both of these but my point is that the GT3 straddles that line between practicality and race car better than the 458, in my opinion. While both are track focused vehicles, they still need to be practical, as most owners will use them on the street as well. Therefore, I feel like the GT3 is the better car because it has 97% of the 458's ability yet has more luggage space, is more economical, costs less, and has better sound insulation. The 458 Speciale is a terrific vehicle but if given the choice, I would take the GT3 every time because it performs on the track and is still pleasant to drive home in.

On a vaguely related note, have you read today's front page post about the GT-R? Completely misguided.

http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/save-the-gt-rs…

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/18/2014 at 11:48

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this is all true as well. But I also think it depends on what you have in the garage. The super beetle would be the better buy for you because you already have mid engine exotics covered. Let's say you're only other car was a luxo barge. Then you would have practicality and quietness covered and would want your weekend toy to be as bat shit as possible.

No I have not seen that yet. Most articles on this car are misguided. I have seen a good post though by Opponaut who rented one for a weekend.

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/18/2014 at 11:56

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Ah. I see what you mean. I agree.

I remember that post. Very well written.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/18/2014 at 15:21

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Idea - you should get both of these cars. Do you have the garage space?

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/18/2014 at 16:39

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Yes, I do.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/18/2014 at 16:55

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nice :)

I would go blue with white stripes for the F car and let your wife pick the color for the P car. What color do you think she would like?

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/18/2014 at 17:11

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She loves bright colors so probably a red or blue.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/18/2014 at 20:04

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even better idea - she picks the color for both cars

One will be red, one will be blue. Whatever she decides you go with.

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/18/2014 at 22:16

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She would like that.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/18/2014 at 22:25

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I hope this happens

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 09:54

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I don't know if you ever saw my reply to you, but here it is:

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/thats-very-str…

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 15:43

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Ah thank you. Sorry, I mostly browse oppo on my phone and it always ends up messing with my notifications.

Quite the mod list! Ever get it on a dyno?

Sounds like a beauty, any pictures?

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 18:11

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It's no problem. I just wanted to make sure that you had seen it so that you didn't think I had ignored you.

Yes, it made somewhere around 720 rwhp if I remember correctly.

Before mods:

After mods:

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 18:38

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wow.. I'm truly speechless. Just amazing, I was never a HUGE GT fan but now I'm not sure.. That color is outstanding. I'd love to get the chance to detail it!

How does 720whp feel on the street/track?

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 19:08

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Thank you. Which color are you referring to? I have a black and blue one. However, the blue one is the only one that is modified.

Incredible to say the least. Where as my stock GT at 550 hp will easily hook up in any gear, the modified one definitely takes patience. That being said, it's not as if the power absolutely ruins the vehicle. You just have to be more aware of how much throttle you're applying in relation to how much steering lock you are using.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 19:26

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the blue! The black looks great too, but if you've ever seen me talking to Rusto, you'd know I'm a sucker for a nice shade of blue!

Very good way to put it. Most powerful car I've driven had an estimated 600whp. It was.. Interesting to say the least haha. Definitely possible to drive it sanely though, it was a modded track prepped R35 GT-R, which is surprisingly easy to drive. I've looked into getting one, but I really want a manual..

There's this gorgeous blue 2013 GT-R with only 8k on it for $84k. Such a bargain IMO.

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 19:52

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Good choice. The Midnight Blue Metallic is my favorite color as well. Maybe that's why I ordered her from the factory with it.

Ah yes, the GT-R. I've been done that road as:

While manuals are terrific, I'm completely convinced that double clutch transmissions are the better overall choice. You might wait for the R36 to come out as the prices might fall even further.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 19:58

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I certainly enjoyed the double clutch in the GT-R, the DCT in the E90 M3 is great as well. I just miss having a third pedal!

On a bad note, just walked out to my car to pick up some printer ink and noticed a huge ding on one of my doors. Thanks neighbors! This is why I choose to drive a 328i instead of an M3/GT-R/911....

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 20:03

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I can understand that. What cars are looking at in addition to the GT-R?

They didn't leave a note or anything? Quite rude neighbors you have.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:13

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I've been contemplating an R8 4.2 V8, but part of me just wants to jump into a V10. Besides that I've thought about 997 GT3's, getting a 993/964 and going the RWB route, E9x M3's, E60 M5's, etc.

My love for cars has become a problem, I really don't know what to get haha. If jaguar released a manual F-type coupe I'd know exactly what to get.

No note, I'll have to talk to them tomorrow. It's not exactly something I can buff out..

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 20:19

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Sounds like a good list.

I'm still wondering why Jaguar hasn't released a manual F-Type yet.

I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully, they're more respectful of others property in the future.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:24

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feel free to suggest more cars to the list, you likely have much more wisdom and insight than I do!

Rusto and I were talking about that the other day.. Such a bad move considering how they want to attract more of the enthusiast demographic.

I'll try to get a picture of it tomorrow, it's dark out now.

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 20:34

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Haha. I doubt that. You might also consider the C7 Z06 as it sounds like it will be impressive from a performance standpoint and offers a manual.

I agree.

You don't need to do that.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:36

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You know I still haven't had the chance to drive a C7 yet. Love the looks, and the $78k base price of a z06 is very appealing!

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 20:39

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I haven't either but the interiors are definitely much improved. Also, I wasn't a fan of the styling in photos, but the exterior just works in real life especially in the right color.

I wonder how much a fully specced Z06 with the Z07 package will cost.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:48

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Yeah the C7 is a car I'd like to get in a more neutral color like black or grey.

~$100k? Not sure of all the options available on it to be honest.

Just saw your R34 post. I'm trying to find this speedhunters article I read a while back.

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 20:50

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I actually saw it in a darker red and found it to be stunning but black or grey would look nice as well.

Interesting.

I look forward to seeing it.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:52

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I'm a sucker for a dark red. I saw a dark red Ferrari F12 on Saturday evening.. Such a nice color.

Hopefully I have it bookmarked.

Have you ever thought of importing a car like an R34?

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 21:03

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I'm pretty sure it was this Crystal Red:

Huh. There are so many possibilities for what color that might have been. I would guess Rosso Rubino.

It's definitely been bounced around in my head but never seriously considered. However, now I'm starting to actually consider it. I'd love to see one in real life.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 21:22

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That C7 looks great. A light tint to tie in with the black wheels would really bring it together.

A quick Google search shows you may be right. Lovely color for a Ferrari.

You haven't seen one in real life yet? Where are you located? They tend to sneak up at C&C. That's where I saw my first R34, and I've seen it at a few other small local meets too.

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 21:24

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I agree.

I'm in Dallas. I'm sure they've been at Cars and Coffee but I've just never been seriously interested in them and therefore have not paid them much attention.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 21:32

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Ah I see.

I'm a huge fan when they are left relatively stock, which unfortunately isn't often.

I should be down in Austin for a few days this June. I'm hoping to head to a local C&C while I'm down there.

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 21:36

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I think I am as well. Ofcourse, most cars are better when left stock.

Very cool. Austin is a great city and I'm sure their C&C is quite nice.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 21:47

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Certainly, but some cars (like your modded GT) are definitely the exception haha.

Does Dallas have a C&C?

I have to ask, are you a Cowboys fan?

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 22:11

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Thank you. I didn't want to go too over the top.

Yes and it's huge.

Yes. How about yourself?

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 22:54

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It definitely doesn't look like it should put down 720whp, and I mean that in the best way possible.

How could I forget, I've stared at so many posts about it!

Of course not, living outside of DC I'm a big redksins fan. You going to the game Monday night?

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/20/2014 at 23:56

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Thanks.

Haha.

Ah I see. I saw that McCoy did pretty decent last week. No, I'll be watching at home. How about you?

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/21/2014 at 09:09

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I'll be at home. I'll be at the next game they place in DC though.

The Cowboys are very hot right now, as much as it pains me to say that.

CAcoalminer > AM3R 10/21/2014 at 11:08

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Yes, well it has definitely been quite a long time coming. I hope they can keep it up.

AM3R > CAcoalminer 10/21/2014 at 14:52

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Let's hope they can't haha :)

Unfortunately I'm not so sure the Redskins can stop you guys..