Which car for a track day - BRZ/FR-S or CTS Vsport?

"BadMotorScooter" (badmotorscooter) 10/12/2014 at 18:18 • Filed to: None

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Which would you take to a road course track day, either a FR-S manual or a CTS Vsport? Both completely stock. The Vsport would certainly be faster, but not sure it would be more fun. It has a track mode for the trans and suspension, competitive driving mode for traction control, sticky Pzero tires, and two turbos for 420HP. But it is still an auto and about 3800lb sedan. The FR-S has, well, 1000 less pounds and is a manual, which should be more fun. I've heard that the stock FR-S brakes are marginal for a track day though. Yes, I could swap them, but I'm just looking to do one track day and don't want to fuss with changes on either car. I've gone back and forth on this one - can't decide. Help me Opponuts!

Brian Silvestro > BadMotorScooter 10/12/2014 at 18:24

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I've heard that the stock FR-S brakes are marginal for a track day though

Was at track days with several stock FR-S/BRZs, can confirm.

whoarder is tellurium > BadMotorScooter 10/12/2014 at 18:26

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I'm sure a heavy sedan would have weak (poor endurance) brakes as well. Brakes for a track day car are one of the first things to upgrade.

DoYouEvenShift > whoarder is tellurium 10/12/2014 at 18:31

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DOT 4 fluid and some more aggressive pads at the most.

BadMotorScooter > whoarder is tellurium 10/12/2014 at 18:34

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True, but the Vsport has big Brembos up front and is reported to do relatively well on track. I don't intend to be at 10/10ths, just looking to have fun. I'm thinking the FR-S might be more fun, but the Vsport can really hustle and I'm curious how it does on track too.

djmt1 > BadMotorScooter 10/12/2014 at 18:35

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CTS Vsport. There is something naughty about pounding on a luxury car especially when it isn't yours.

Soloburrito > BadMotorScooter 10/12/2014 at 18:36

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If you'll be doing just one or two track days per year, go with the caddy as it'll be the nicer DD.

if it'll be a regular thing, go with the toyobaru. You'll spend less on consummables (brakes, tires).

BadMotorScooter > Brian Silvestro 10/12/2014 at 18:38

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That worries me a bit. I could slow it down to take it easy on the brakes, but then that's not very much fun and I'd wish I had taken the other car!

BadMotorScooter > Soloburrito 10/12/2014 at 18:41

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I have both cars now. Just trying to decide which car would be more fun for a track day. I've done many track days, but not in either of these cars. The Caddy is my primary DD.

Soloburrito > BadMotorScooter 10/12/2014 at 18:45

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Oh, gotcha. well i'll just say there's no wrong answer to your question! Either will be fun.

Brian Silvestro > BadMotorScooter 10/12/2014 at 18:47

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Trust me when I say if you try to take it easy on your brakes instead of having fun, it's going to ruin your day.

BadMotorScooter > Brian Silvestro 10/12/2014 at 18:50

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I think you just gave me the answer! Vsport will be at the track, flappy paddles and all! Maybe I can chase down some German machinery...

Brian Silvestro > BadMotorScooter 10/12/2014 at 18:52

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Yeah you'll probably have a bunch of fun. And you'll get a lot of attention because big Cadillac sedan being tracked like a boss.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > BadMotorScooter 10/12/2014 at 18:56

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BRZ

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > BadMotorScooter 10/12/2014 at 18:59

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FRS. Two reasons: manual transmission/tossability for fun and natural aspiration for endurance. Plus, progressive torque curve.

E92M3 > BadMotorScooter 10/12/2014 at 19:13

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Neither....corvette is the obvious choice.

Clown Shoe Pilot > BadMotorScooter 10/12/2014 at 19:39

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CTS V will eat through consumables a lot faster. Fuel, brake pads, rotors, tires.

Are you a seasoned track rat? If not, you're unlikely to hit the performance wall of either car.

samssun > BadMotorScooter 10/12/2014 at 21:07

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ATS-V, obviously.

BadMotorScooter > Brian Silvestro 11/01/2014 at 23:51

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Update: the CTS Vsport rocked on the track. Seriously, I was impressed. The only weak spot was a little fade from the brakes. That is not unexpected, considering they are stock street pads. Otherwise the car was flawless and unflappable through 100+ miles of track laps. The car never pushed, and always felt neutral to a little oversteer with power. The e-diff is some kind of black magic, that I learned to use with time - just feed it power and let the rear slide a little and then zip you just shoot out of the turn.

The big Cadillac intimidated on the track! It was neck and neck with some C5 Z06s on the straights and I could crowd some spec-Miatas through the tuns (on exit anyway). I was very impressed with the car and can't wait until the real CTS-V and ATS-V come out. It is a stellar chassis!

Brian Silvestro > BadMotorScooter 11/02/2014 at 05:03

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YYYEESSSSS