Leaving a new job for a better offer: what's the protocol?

"Jagvar" (Jagvar) 10/10/2014 at 20:01 • Filed to: None

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As some of you know, I was recently unemployed for about six weeks. During this time, I applied for 40 jobs or so. My effort paid off, because a company (let's call it Company A ) offered me a job, where I've been for the last two weeks. And it's a perfectly fine job.

Well, yesterday another company with which I'd interviewed ( Company B ) made me an even better offer. It's $10K more per year and shaves 30+ miles off of my daily commute. So naturally, I accepted.

Now I'm placed in the awkward position of having to tell my new boss that I'm already leaving. Hell, my business cards haven't even come back from the printer yet. I know that I've made the decision that will benefit me the most in the long run, but I still feel like a big, fat jerk. Everyone at Company A has been really good to me and really psyched to have me there. I feel like I'm abandoning them.

Have any of you been in this position? How did you feel about it? Is there a way to do it gracefully? I need to give my notice early next week.

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:06

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Walk out slowly while raising 2 middle fingers.

PS9 > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:09

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*knocks on the bosses door*

"Yo. I be git'n mo paper elsewhere, so fuck y'all."

*throws up middle fingers and farts while walking out the door, makes 'call me' signal to the bosses daughter*

NotUnlessRoundIsFunny > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:10

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First off, congratulations on landing two good gigs!

Secondly, these things happen. It's not an ideal situation and the fact you recognize that speaks well of you. Personally, I'd hate doing it but would tell Boss A honestly that you didn't expect this, but it's a better opportunity because of commute, salary, etc. Make the case that this is not a rejection, but that things like 30 miles less a day plus a big pay bump is going to make a big difference for you in the long run. For them, better to lose you quickly, when they already have a pipeline of candidates they can call back, than invest a bunch of time getting you up to speed and then having you leave.

It will suck, but hopefully there will be no hard feelings. And far better to get it out of the way quickly IMHO.

Good luck.

Brian Silvestro > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:10

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Go to Company A and see if they'll match company B's offer.

If not, then go to company B.

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > PS9 10/10/2014 at 20:10

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That is classy as fuck.

Steve in Manhattan > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:11

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You owe them nothing. They might have fired you next week. It's called employment at will for a reason.

Still - you could say that the commute was more than you expected, and you can't move for X reason (upside down on your mortgage, can't sell the house, whatever. That would probably prevent burning that bridge.

GhostZ > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:12

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Steal the stapler, walk out spinning with both middle fingers raised.

deekster_caddy > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:15

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I've been on the other side of it, where somebody new leaves. That's why "important things" like stock options and crap don't usually kick in until after 90 days of employment... It's entirely you - you can just say "I don't feel like I'm a good fit here" or "I got a much better offer, sorry" and either should be acceptable. They may never give you a second chance, but that's your bridge to burn.

The question is, does place #1 have any particular feel about it that makes you want to stay? Or are you just in it for the money. Sometimes a great work environment can be worth it to your mental stress level even though it's lower pay.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/10/2014 at 20:16

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This is a TERRIBLE idea. Let's say company A does decide to do this - now both parties are in a mutual "well, we're just settling" relationship. Your boss will not like you. 2 weeks isn't nearly enough to be a superstar at a place. So within 2 weeks, coming in and saying "Oh, I got a job that pays 10k more so either pay up or I walk" will result in you getting fired or a boss who is so desperate for the moment who gives in.......but really you wanted the better paying job anyways......Just FYI for the rest of you. DON'T. DO. THIS.

deekster_caddy > NotUnlessRoundIsFunny 10/10/2014 at 20:17

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Yes, better for them if you jump ship before they put months (or weeks) of training time into you. These things happen, do what you gotta do!

dogisbadob > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:17

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Congrats on being hired for two different jobs! You should play the powerball, because the odds are about the same.

If you give them a two weeks notice, you may be fired immediately, or you might not. Be prepared for either.

Good luck at your new job!

StoneCold > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:17

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Edited to reflect the other comments:

The time really isn't long enough to negotiate such a large payment increase.

NotUnlessRoundIsFunny has better advice than I did.

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/10/2014 at 20:18

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themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:19

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2 options

1) Ask for a meeting. Say that while the job is okay and the coworkers are good, the job isn't what you expected and the commute is really bad. Explain you've had some second thoughts and a close friend near your house has given you a place to stay/a job/whatever. It is mostly honest and has a low chance of coming back to bite you.

2) Go for the big whopper of a lie and say a family member has fallen gravely ill or your parents/children/spouse/whoever were in a serious accident and you need to take a job much closer to home and with different hours to be with them and care for them right now. They will not risk the legal rammifications of following through on this. 2 weeks is usually not long enough for benefits to kick in so you're clear there too.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/10/2014 at 20:20

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Y, DOGE? Y U DO DIS?

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/10/2014 at 20:21

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Also, if they say no, why would Company B be angry at you? They'd never know you asked company A for more money.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/10/2014 at 20:24

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They wouldn't know unless you told them. But it is incredibly unprofessional and will msot likely get you black-listed at that company or any of their vendors/customers. You'd be surprised how word of some employees can spread.

Jagvar > dogisbadob 10/10/2014 at 20:24

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I'm planning to offer two weeks' notice, but I'm anticipating my boss saying, "Nope, you can leave right now." I'm so new to the job that I've barely started working on any projects yet. I think my boss would rather I just leave right away so I'm off the payroll ASAP.

This whole situation just makes me feel dickish. :(

N51fanatic > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:25

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Great post, i am going through something similar. 1st week of August a great job with Company X, that I was a perfect fit for opened up, I applied on the career portal. A few days later, i got an email that I wasnt up for consideration anymore. The following week, I get an offer for one of the top engineering firms Company Z in the country. Been here for a month.

This past Monday, Company X recruiter called me to see if I was interested in the job. I told her, they had passed already, but asked how much they were paying :). Its not that I dont like my new job, its fine, great company great folks, and they are paying me great coin. But cmon, everyone should ALWAYS be looking for something better.

It sounds like a win for you. The 30 mile shorter commute is huge. The money is a bonus. Just be honest with your boss, they may match. Good luck.

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/10/2014 at 20:25

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Oh. Well that sucks.

Jagvar > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/10/2014 at 20:26

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What do you mean by legal ramifications? I don't think I can be sued for taking a better job.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/10/2014 at 20:28

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Yep. To put it in relationship terms, it's like flirting with a girl, you want her in bed but she wants a relationship, so you finally agree to a relationship, bang her a few nights, and then go "Yeahhhh....soooooooooo sarah's been texting me back now aaaaand she's hotter than you....sooooo........yeah she also wants my D but I'm too nice of a guy to try and have you both..........BYE!" *HE GONE!* You can kinda see how the first girl would be justified in letting everyone know exactly what you did and then if things don't work out with sarah ,or worse - sarah finds out, you could find yourself single for a while unless you jumped into an entirely different social circle.

Jagvar > N51fanatic 10/10/2014 at 20:29

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Thanks! I always tend to think of other people's feelings before my own, which is why this was a hard decision to make. But I feel a little better about it now.

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/10/2014 at 20:29

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That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:31

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Take a big dump on the boss's desk, throw up some double deuces, and burn every bridge you can find. Pretty sure that's the general standard.

dogisbadob > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:32

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The way most companies treat people are 1000x more dickish than you or anyone on the other end can be. So much in the news about that shit, plus permatemp abuse, I really have zero sympathy for them anyway.

And if you ever lose or leave the new job, don't list this short stint on your resume.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:33

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I wouldn't say "sued" but more like "telling people not to hire you because you flaked due to 'family medical issues'". There is nothing stopping this company from putting out a bad word against you. And that chance is much higher if you act like a douche when you leave. However, if you legitimately leave due to a medical or family issue, and they decide to "black list" you, and you find out? YOU can sue THEM. Your rights are protected by a myriad of laws. Now in this case, it's a lie. But you are so new, the risk is so low for you but, like I said, so high for that company, that there is no reason for them to pursue the matter. They probably have a #2 lined up. They'll just go "Yep, sorry about what happened, we'll keep your info on file if things change in the future" and then you get the handshake when you turn in your badge.

Now.......if you decide to be a ponce and ask for more money by waving your new offer in their face?.......Yeah that has no chance of success and every chance of blowing up in your face down the line.

cazzyodo > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:34

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congrats! Someone did this in my office though it was after a few months. He just said it was a better opportunity and something he was a lot more appropriate for him in the long run. His boss and the co who dod his exit interview understood completely.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/10/2014 at 20:35

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You are getting way too much mileage out of that image. I almost want to make a sad kawaii FiST for you to use instead

FrankenBlaster > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:39

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Congratulations on the new offer, that is great, also I have fixed your original image for you

Big Bubba Ray > Vince-The Roadside Mechanic 10/10/2014 at 20:42

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Jagvar > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/10/2014 at 20:43

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I'm not going to lie about why I'm leaving, though. I don't think there's any reason to say it's due to "family medical issues." I'm just going to honestly explain that I interviewed with the second company before I started my job, and that when the offer came through, the compensation and distance from home were much more competitive. If the company has hard feelings about it, that's on them.

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/10/2014 at 20:44

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PLEASE DO THAT

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 20:47

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Right, but it can still hurt you down the line. Even if they are in different industries. But it is your call if you want to do it that way. The chance is low they'd say or do anything anyways but having just left a job where my old boss IS checking to make sure I'm not working for a competitor (I signed a non-compete that had a totally BS term of 2-years out of the industry and would never hold in court) some people are jerks.

NonDriftingS13 > Big Bubba Ray 10/10/2014 at 21:02

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This is the correct response.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/10/2014 at 21:13

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Scary__goongala! > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 21:14

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probably not this.

DrScientist > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/10/2014 at 21:23

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there is absolutely no reason to lie. be honest, tell your manager the situation. be humble, apologize for the inconvenience and offer to do anything you can to help on-boarding a new replacement.

if your manager is reasonable he will understand the situation, that people change jobs all the time. he may or may not say to not bother coming back. dont take his asking you to not come back as a sleight.

if he's a dick about the situation, you can have a discussion with the hr group, or you can just chalk it up to shitty people being shitty and begin your new job as soon as possible.

honestly, i understand your concern, but you really shouldnt spend too much time worrying about it. in another circumstance, your manager may have been required to lay you off, and i'm sure he would only be concerned about it to the extent that he allows his professional life to intercede in his overall mental health.

congrats and best of luck.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 21:24

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You must remember, this is just business. Your boss would fire you in a second if that is what needed to be done. Do what's right for you but don't be a dick about it.

Also congrats!!! Woohoo!

Tom McParland > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 21:29

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Ok so everyone has already given the good advice...so I would just add "So my Phaeton is only reliable for the first 30 miles or so...and you guys are 50 miles away...so...I don't want to be in a position where I let you down because of my insanely expensive and complicated German automobile let me down. Therefore I think it is best we go our separate ways." :D

McMike > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 21:32

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Approach your boss and tell him what's up. Offer to stay on the appropriate time (2-weeks or whatever) and see what he says. Stay if he wants, but there's a chance he'll let you go, since you are too new to be of any value yet.

The only awkward part of it is your resume, just be prepared to explain down the road if someone asks you about that two weeks and why you left. If you have an otherwise non-job-jumping history, it shouldn't be a problem.

That won't help you feeling like a jerk, but you'll probably be out of there by mid week, and there are 10,000 reasons you'll forget it by the time you drive that last, long, 30 miles home.

Mrs McMike in in recruiting, and told me to say that.

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/10/2014 at 21:36

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OMG YOU ARE LITERALLY THE BEST PERSON EVER

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/10/2014 at 21:36

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Also, damn you found that pic from waay back.

ly2v8-Brian > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/10/2014 at 21:39

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that's mother FOCKIN kwaii

Alex from Toronto > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 21:41

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Stay with your current job. Work somewere you like and you'll never work a day in your life.

jariten1781 > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 21:46

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No decent company is going to flip out if you are honest and leave early on. It's much less painful than if you left after 9 months and they'd invested a lot of training in you and they weren't going to get the return on that. Hell they can probably call a couple folks that you beat out for the job and one would still be interested so they wouldn't even need to spin up HR again.

The two big negatives. Job A will probably never hire you again if Job B falls through. Also, if you end up unemployed again for any reason in the next 5 or so years a two week job on the resume will make you look super flakey. May get screened out by HR because of that before the managers even see your resume. That'll make the next search that much harder.

Good Luck, having two jobs is a good problem to sort through.

Jagvar > jariten1781 10/10/2014 at 21:48

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What if I just don't put the 2-week job on my resume at all, though?

Jagvar > Alex from Toronto 10/10/2014 at 21:49

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I think I'll like it at the second job much better, though. It's more in line with my skill set, and I'm impressed with the people and the atmosphere.

Jagvar > McMike 10/10/2014 at 21:51

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Thanks, Mike. Do I have the option of just leaving this two weeks of my resume entirely? Because that's what I'd like to do, ideally. Like it never happened.

jariten1781 > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 21:54

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Depends on how deep they dig. If they find all your social media or call someone who knows about it then you look like you're being dishonest on the resume. You'd also have to watch yourself when you were newly hired to not let it slip, pretty big burden. Some places will ask you to list all places you've worked in the last X years. In that case you'd be defrauding them if you didn't list it.

McMike > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 22:04

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I would rather explain why I worked somewhere for two weeks, then explain why I withheld that information after a background check.

She says it would best to hang out of the new job for a while, if possible. Like I (she) said earlier, if you don't make a habit of short-timing it, this two week stint shouldn't be an issue.

Life and Times of Magoo: The People's Champ > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 22:05

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$10k more and less driving. Bidness is Bidness.

They may be urked but they'll understand.

Old-Busted-Hotness > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 22:11

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Drop a big shit on the boss' desk. It won't help you get a good reference, but it'll sure feel good. Be sure to file the paper under D for deuce.

Sn210 > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 22:19

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just be honest, give your two weeks and leave on good terms. You need to take care of yourself first. Congrats on the new job

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/10/2014 at 22:57

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Presented without text. For future use

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/10/2014 at 22:57

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Yeah, I wanted the right angle. At dead on, with the right proportions of the eyes and tears, the car can look really sad or angry.

DaManager > Jagvar 10/10/2014 at 23:59

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As a hiring manager, I've experienced this from the point of view of Company A. We know you're applying to multiple jobs and we know that for the first month you're on board that there is a chance that you'll hear back from another job with a better offer. You've already accepted Company B's offer, so the best thing to do is tell Company A as soon as possible and offer to stay two weeks to give them time to bring on a replacement. Company A may take you up on it or they may not. Either way, Company A and you will be just fine. Be honest, forthcoming, and courteous. This happens all the time.

Once I had a guy accept a job and not show up when he was supposed to. He avoided my calls for a couple of days and when he finally answered, he told me he had taken another offer. That would probably be the worst way to handle it. I now no longer announce new hires to the office until they've actually reported to work.

ray > Jagvar 10/11/2014 at 04:39

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the 30miles is a much bigger item than the 10k I think. The 10k might seem like a lot, but that can disappear quickly if you're not being careful to evaluate your whole compensation package, including all your benefits, as well as timeoff policies, and the expectation of how hard you are supposed to work there.

That being said, you're not there that long, talk to your boss, tell them the deal. Be prepared to have an answer for: "Is there anything we can do to change your mind" then be honest about what will change your mind. It should be enough to really make a difference, like 10%+ in your happiness, not just 1% more.

But don't make an offer, it's for them to offer it to you. Likely you said, you've only been there 2weeks they won't give you a higher offer.

Also, unless you're working a shift type job, be prepared to be shown the door that day. You probably don't have anything useful yet to contribute, so I don't see them wasting 2 more weeks of pay as you're likely still in a ramp-up stage.

This isn't on you, this is on your boss. Any boss who's been around the block should be able to handle this type of situation professionally. They don't own your happiness just as they don't own your sadness or hardships. Don't worry, it's not that high on the awkward strange situation list.

ray > Brian Silvestro 10/11/2014 at 04:52

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Asking them for a raise otherwise you quit, puts you in a position where they hold it over on you and lumberg you in to working harder than your previous expectation. The baseline was already set for what you were worth before.
It's hey we just paid you extra 10k, yet you haven't even done anything extra yet. So we want that extra 10k value out of you one way or another.

Instead the typical way of getting a raise or promotion, then getting rewarded for it. We like what you're doing, here's 10k more for doing your good job, keep it up.

ray > Brian Silvestro 10/11/2014 at 04:53

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why would you bother asking companyA unless you wanted companyA to accept though. Are you willing to still work for companyA even if they agree to match? That comes with strings...

ray > Jagvar 10/11/2014 at 04:58

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you don't have to put anything on your resume. If you end up looking for another job again and asked what you were doing for 8weeks here, you can say you were career changing, and applying to different jobs interviewing and evaluating offers; which is somewhat what your 2week "trial" at companyA was. 2 extra weeks of job hunting is completely understandable.

Hopefully you're holding the job for several years, so a 2months gap is meaningless.

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/11/2014 at 05:27

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So...much...future use....

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/11/2014 at 05:27

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That will make me lose sleep at night, wondering if my car is going to murder me.

Blinkrfluid > dogisbadob 10/11/2014 at 11:58

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I agree. Do you think company officials let "feelings" get in the way of their decisions? This is a business decision and the business is you.Look out for yourself.

McMike > Jagvar 10/11/2014 at 12:07

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I forgot to mention this last night, but when your boss asks you why you are leaving, tell him you need the extra money because you have a Phaeton.

No one can argue with that.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/11/2014 at 13:10

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WHAT DID YOU SAY TO FIESTA-CHAN?!?!?!?!?! SHE IS SO KAWAII DESU! UGUU~

dogisbadob > Blinkrfluid 10/11/2014 at 13:18

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The feelings shit probably happens a lot

Blinkrfluid > dogisbadob 10/11/2014 at 20:11

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The company grief counseling sessions this year for upper management will be held on a Sleek new mega yacht with a small army of Chefs, an open bar and an ample number of hostesses on board for the 3 day sail on the crystal blue waters of the Caribbean.

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/11/2014 at 20:14

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UUUUUUUUUUUU

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/11/2014 at 21:06

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Right, we may need professional help now.

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/11/2014 at 21:07

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As long as we can control it, we'll be okay.

Or that's what I keep telling myself.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/11/2014 at 21:14

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See I'm stopping now because of the most disturbed thought I've ever had that popped into my my head - a dating simulator game called "Oppotomori High School: Shift my gears!". You are "driver-kun", a recent transfer student in your junior year to a high school right outside Twin Ring Motegi. But in a strange twist, the cars of oppositelock are fellow students! And then at this point, various images popped into my head and I stopped thinking about this any further. It would be absolutely HILARIOUS.....to those of us on jalopnik/oppo. To everyone else, they would try and send me to a psychiatric ward just for thinking about it.

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/11/2014 at 21:16

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Godammit that's the most ingenious thing I've ever heard on oppo. Seriously great.

But, yeah, we're fuckin weirdos.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/11/2014 at 21:31

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"Don't forget driver-kun, we're supposed to go to town and pick out new wheels tomorrow! ^_-"

"KYYAAAAA! Driver-kun, that is NOT my bleeder valve!"

"Stupid Driver-kun....It's not like I want you to heel-toe when you drive me or anything......."

"Oh driver-kun....I uh....I didn't know you were in this garage.....So I....I uh..uh....uh.......I'VEGOTTAGOSOMEWHEREBYE!"

Yep. Fuckin weirdos.

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/11/2014 at 21:36

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So many strange thoughts going through my head right now.

You should write a manga.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/11/2014 at 21:45

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NO! That is a VERY BAD idea. Do NOT give me monetary compensation to encourage this sort of behavior. Lord only knows what the rest of oppo would say.....

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/11/2014 at 21:47

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Most would ignore/abandon you. There's only a select few that would understand.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Brian Silvestro 10/11/2014 at 21:57

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/AnimeCry

Brian Silvestro > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/11/2014 at 22:05

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LOL

The Stig's Rustbelt Cousin > Jagvar 10/12/2014 at 17:48

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It's funny, because I'm in an almost identical situation at this very moment, except I was unemployed for considerably longer. That's the reason why I took an offer that I knew I wouldn't enjoy, but decided to give it a shot anyway. Literally the day after I started Job A, Job B called, we discussed the position, and to my surprise, I received an emailed offer letter that very evening. Job B has a larger guaranteed income, though theoretically less potential income, but has greater long-term potential, a better schedule, and some flexibility that I don't get from Job A. So, I accepted Company B's offer, and once I've been confirmed there, I'll have to make the same long walk to the manager's office that you're dreading.

Ultimately, I do think that honesty is the best policy here. Your new boss may not like it, but he/she has no choice but to respect it. Lying, on the other hand, does not endear you to anyone, and someday, it might come back to bite you.

I wouldn't worry about hurt feelings, because you have to do what's best for you, and your boss knows that. It's not as though you're leaving the family business; you work because it provides you with an income, and so anyone with common sense would understand why you'd take a position with greater income and a smaller demand on your time. On the other side of the table, your boss didn't hire you out of the goodness of his heart; you were hired to perform a service for the company, and if they're not willing to pay what you're clearly worth, you take your services elsewhere. If your employer decided that they no longer needed your services, you can bet that you wouldn't get the courtesy of advance warning before you were dismissed. As Michael Corleone said, "it's not personal... This is strictly business."

Dest > DaManager 10/14/2014 at 14:46

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Taking an offer and just not showing up is straight up douchey.

samssun > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/30/2014 at 02:50

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You can go a middle route: tell your boss about the offer, and be open to a counteroffer but don't approach it like you're trying to leverage your way into it. If they really want to keep you they might offer you something that makes you stay, if not no big deal.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > samssun 10/30/2014 at 07:47

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Nope. Terrible advice. Let's say you do that, and they accept giving you a counter offer and you accept that - your work will always live in fear of losing you now. And no, it's fantasy to assume that they will keep throwing money and rewards at you to stay. Plus, what if this company then backs out of the offer? If you accept their offer and sign your papers, you're an employee. I had it happen to me where I hadn't yet accepted the offer and had it turned away. So let's say you go to your boss, ask for a counter offer, and then you decide to leave anyways.......but before you can accept the new offer, it gets canceled because of some reason or another. Your old boss will most likely not hire you back. Some companies have HR policies to stop such shenanigans too. Maybe if you hadn't asked for that counter offer, you might still have a job. Or if you hadn't said anything until the job change was final, no one would ever have to know.

samssun > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 10/30/2014 at 22:18

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I was saying you specifically shouldn't go asking for a counter offer, but rather let your boss know about the new one without slamming the door to staying. Most cases I've heard of from friends and co-workers went better then they started with a heads up to their bosses instead of making it official with the company/HR.

The former may or may not result in a counter offer, but at least is courteous to your boss, while once you go the latter route you're pretty much guaranteed to be gone.