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10/08/2014 at 23:07 • Filed to: None
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"cuts_off_prius" (cutsoffprius)
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It kind of irks me when Obama says in his speeches that cars made by "fellow hardworking honest fellow Americans" are the most fuel efficient cars in the world (or some of the most).
Here's the data on global fuel economy, measured from four different perspectives. And guess what? We're LAST, compared to the rest of the developed world represented in the data.
Note that Canada follows the same vehicle standards as the U.S.. Both of their targets and requirements are the same. The only difference arises between their respective historical performances.
Taken from page 21 of this PDF.
http://www.globalfueleconomy.org/documents/publ…
But it makes sense. We drive the largest vehicles in the world (i.e. Ford F-series traditionally being the best selling vehicle, mostly due to fleet sales) and our emission standards are different. Based on my internet reading, we focus more on "cleaner" emissions rather than fuel economy.
FJ80WaitinForaLSV8
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10/08/2014 at 23:18 |
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Whats most interesting about the news today is that 2014 has not been a good year thus far for fuel economy improvements. Fleet wide fuel economy has only increased .1 MPG. Shocker, cheap gas and all the low hanging fuel economy technology fruit being picked leads to little improvement! It's a consumption mandate not a production mandate, the success of this whole program is very questionable IMO.
PatBateman
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10/08/2014 at 23:28 |
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I blame Hellcats.
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> FJ80WaitinForaLSV8
10/08/2014 at 23:31 |
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It's like a plateau, you're saying? Yeah, we're mostly sticking to gasoline engines and with more downsizing and turbocharging, we're getting incremental improvements. But you can only do so much with gasoline engines... We could easily reach our targets over time if diesels were more prevalent in North America.
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FJ80WaitinForaLSV8
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10/08/2014 at 23:38 |
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Yes plateau is another way of putting it.
Like other fuel saving technologies, I don't see the ROI on diesels. They are simply too expensive with the emission systems now required. Combine that with more expensive fuel and I don't see it penciling out for most people.
DrScientist
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10/09/2014 at 00:20 |
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why is there no historical data from the eu for the last 5 years?
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wallaby13
> FJ80WaitinForaLSV8
10/09/2014 at 00:45 |
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It doesn't. And I own a TDI. The initial cost delta for the diesel engine, coupled with the fuel cost delta, and the maintenance means you will have to drive like 250K miles to make up the cost. And that's just to break even.
My TDI is an 06 so no DPF or NOx trap. Just EGR. Now since my car was used, my ROI is a little better, and I should break even from my old car in 3-4 years.
But lets compare that with a Prius. It has you beat on fuel costs, initial purchase price, and repair costs. My parents have owned an '08 from new so I have some first hand experience with the repair costs.
There's a lot of factors driving the difference between the countries here though. In the EU they are taxed based on CO2 production. Burn more fuel; create more CO2. In Japan they are taxed both by the weight/size of the vehicle and the size of the engine. Ever wonder why the Japanese add turbo's instead of displacement to their performance cars? That's why.
Cé hé sin
> FJ80WaitinForaLSV8
10/09/2014 at 05:00 |
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All depends on fiscal policy. Here in Ireland about 70% of new cars are diesels (and they're nearly all manual but that's a matter for another time). Why? Because we have registration taxes and annual road tax, both CO2 based and diesels obviously are favoured by this. Current EU emissions legislation doesn't yet require expensive urea injection in cars (it's coming soon) and so diesels aren't as relatively expensive as they are in North America. Hence they're the default option for anything Focus sized and above. Once you get to a BMW or Merc you're probably talking 95% diesel.
Having said all that many people are going down the diesel route when if they'd done their sums they shouldn't. Buyers are spending a couple of thousand more on a diesel just to save a hundred or two each year in road tax and hoping that the resale value will be higher (which has the consequence that petrol cars make much more sense when you're buying used).
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FJ80WaitinForaLSV8
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10/09/2014 at 09:16 |
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Great post, It will be interesting to see how the market reacts to urea injection and the subsequent price increase.