technical help!!!

"michael bleggi" (mikalbleggi) 10/03/2014 at 11:54 • Filed to: None

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A good friend of mine without car knowledge just let me see a lot that his dad owns. A lot of great cars.. but there is a Porsche 944 turbo that is beautiful...

(turbo vr6 swapped camo 911 for your time)

It has sat for a few years, and besides needing a new battery, everything looks clean and in good working order. His dad is old and doesn't care about the car, and my friend knows nothing about cars. I'm going to help him put a new battery in it and refresh a lot of things in attempt to get it to run...

The only thing is, while sitting in it, with the car off, when you push the clutch pedal in, it goes the whole way to the ground, and sticks there. You can pull it back to the position. It's acting like a light switch in that it feels sprung and hard to push however stays either in the normal position or depressed the whole way......

TLDR theres a cool car my friend and I essentially got for free, but the clutch goes the whole way to the ground when pressed, and has to be pulled back to get it to spring back.. what does this mean? does it need a new slave/master cylinder? should we just bleed the lines? on a 944, is this easy to do? thanks!!!

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 11:58

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Depends on how long it's sat. Probably has no fluids left in it.

bob and john > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 12:03

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could be as simple as the fluid needs to be refilled, could be as bad as the motor and tans are completle fucked and disconnected and everything


I'd go with fluids first. and check the line for any leaks as well

Trevor Slattery, ACTOR > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 10/03/2014 at 12:05

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Check the fluids, if you have a lift and someone can push the clutch pedal while someone can check the action of the slave cylinder...that would be good as well.

Is there a pedal return spring on that car? Lemme check...

2BWise > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 12:05

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If you put it in gear and try to roll it with the clutch depressed will it roll? It's likely the clutch slave has no fluid and is ruined. If it will roll then it's likely in the clutch or pressure plate. You'd probably be better off getting it to run and then selling it off. With unknown history is could become a serious money pit. Definitely needs a timing belt and new tensioner, and balance shaft belt and all the rollers. Losing the belt in one of these gets expensive quickly.

michael bleggi > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 10/03/2014 at 12:06

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so just top off the fluids when we fire it up and try?

michael bleggi > bob and john 10/03/2014 at 12:07

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if it has a leak, will it work for a while before the clutch goingj out again? assuming we top of the fluids

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 12:08

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No. Check them all and replace them first.

bob and john > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 12:09

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it should. if its a small inhole leak, it would run for a little bit,

if the tub has a 2cm hole in it....its just going to fall right out.

Top off the fluid. see if that works. if you see fluid on the groun, replace tubing/connectors and see where it gets you.

not much else i can say after that

Trevor Slattery, ACTOR > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 12:11

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There is a pedal return spring. Part #4. Check that first.

(edit) There are TWO pedal springs, Part #4A is also a spring.

Jeff-God-of-Biscuits > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 12:16

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I'm gonna throw another vote in the don't crank it until you have replaced all fluids hat. The last thing you want is to have thick sludgey oil forced into tiny passageways. Resist the temptation, and change oil and hydralic fluids first.

jariten1781 > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 12:26

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I wouldn't crank until I'd pretty much baselined the condition.

In addition to drain/replacing all fluids (including gas) I'd check and adjust the operation of the throttle cable/body, the condition of the plugs and wires, roll it a bit with the clutch engaged in gear, check and adjust the transmission linkage (if any), check all the calipers for binding (probably lube the pins), replace all filters (fuel, oil, air), inspect bushings and mounts, etc. etc.

A weekend or two doing that and then I'd try to fire it.

michael bleggi > Trevor Slattery, ACTOR 10/03/2014 at 12:32

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super helpful! will get back to ya

Meatcoma > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 12:32

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Bleed the line. More than likely has some air in it from sitting.

MouseFitzgerald > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 12:33

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Check the clutch slave cylinder. Fill the reservoir and cycle the pedal a few times. Find the slave cylinder and if the outside is wet or obviously leaking you'll have to replace it. If thats not the case but you see fluid on the floor just track the leak and fix as necessary.

MouseFitzgerald > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 12:34

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Also I want that 911...

SO

GODDAM

MUCH

ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 13:25

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As helpful and potentially knowledgeable as everyone on Oppo is, unless someone has a great deal of model specific knowledge, I would strongly suggest checking out the enthusiast forums. If the car has an enthusiast following, (which it does) there will almost always be a lot more reliable information there on that forum. I'd hate to see you make more work for yourself.

Do some research and have a plan of attack before you do anything. I know how exciting it must be to have this car that you just want to get up and running, but do it the right way.

Post some pictures as it sits today and then as progress goes. We'd all love to see that come along.

user314 > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 13:40

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I don't have anything to add here, I just really love this 911. I miss the days when camo like this was relevant.

Trevor Slattery, ACTOR > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 13:42

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I also read that the clutch fork pivot can work its way free, so check the clutch for and pivot for smooth movement and minimal play.

swaptastic > michael bleggi 10/03/2014 at 21:22

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In case anyone is interested, that Porsche is powered by a turbocharged VR6. http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthr…