Dear parents, don't want your kids to grow up into hateful assholes?

"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone)
10/01/2014 at 09:22 • Filed to: None

Don't indoctrinate them with your old and obsolete concepts.

DISCUSSION (38)

jariten1781 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
10/01/2014 at 09:30

Kids also understand that pulling their shirt up over their mouth and nose totally prevents other people from realizing they're picking and eating their boogers.

Dubblewhopper > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
10/01/2014 at 09:37

The only thing I teach my kids is that you can't spell crap without country and rap. I bring them to real concerts. Slayer, Volbeat, Iron Maiden, Cavalera Conspiracy, Anthrax and local metal bands from all over Montana.

GhostZ > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
10/01/2014 at 09:43

The problem isn't that homophobes don't understand homosexuality, it's that it grows into a mounting force that changes the existing way people interact. It draws attention, power, and influence toward homosexuality and AWAY from social mechanisms that are strictly (and often times, not even striclty) anti-homosexual.

And the industries that rely on that sort of system (just like misogyny and nonexclusive racism) are understandably endangered because of it. And for good reason: adapt or die. If you can't adjust to a world that embraces homosexuality, you're clearly not capable of surviving a changing status quo and your system will become obsolete. The inability to fix this, and the fear of falling behind, is what drives a lot of hate, I believe.

I mean, that doesn't make anti-homosexuality right , but it shouldn't come as a surprise as why there was so much resistance against it. People tend to act as if it's just a matter of others not wanting to believe something that is so obvious but there's enough fear and power being shifted around because of the acceptance of homosexuality that it causes people who can't roll with the changes to lash out.

Really though, in today's era, unless you're in the deep south or in a church-ruled small town in bumfuck nowhere, there's no real danger that requires you to be in the closet. It's mostly in your head. 15 years ago that was not the case. Especially in the immediate post-9/11 period. I think a lot of the fear now is that people don't want to be alone and fear that coming out would cause friends or family not to accept them, which was true at a time, but really isn't always the case any more, because it's getting very, very hard to find an area where there is no support or acceptance whatsoever.

scoob > jariten1781
10/01/2014 at 09:51

Their non-dominant hand can do the job as well.

EL_ULY > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
10/01/2014 at 09:54

Kinja'd!!!

room for one more?

Kinja'd!!!

lol. But to the point, yeah dude people have the right to believe what they want and teach their kids whatever. But some things are just so obviously outdated and hateful. And let them married ya know. They are in love, let them. Gay divorce exists also ya know :]

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > jariten1781
10/01/2014 at 10:04

While this is an accurate statement, it's not what the article above is trying to convey.

It's the fact that if you don't tell a kid anything they will pick their nose AND they'll also be OK with gay people. The difference being, you should correct the nose picking, but their feelings toward gay people, those are fine. It's certain segments of society that try to convince them it's not OK.

jariten1781 > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs
10/01/2014 at 10:16

I understand and have no problem with the underlying message, but the argument based on a fake story is a non-sequitur. Kids believe all sorts of things that are incorrect. Just because a child believes it doesn't lend it any credence. This kind of argument doesn't help change opposed peoples thoughts, it's just used to increase smugness in echo chambers.

area man > GhostZ
10/01/2014 at 10:29

I can only speak for where I live, but in New York City, the supposed bastion of northeast liberalism, but there has been a disturbing, statistically-supported rise in anti-gay attacks in recent years.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > jariten1781
10/01/2014 at 10:32

There's another way of looking at this: Yes, kids believe all kinds of incorrect things, but it's also interesting to see what they believe without much outside influence. Especially considering the facts were laid out to this particular kid.

But you are right in the sense that the next kid you might ask would say the complete opposite, because I like playing catch with my dad, so it would be weird to have two mommies.

Meatcoma > Dubblewhopper
10/01/2014 at 10:39

One of those things is not like the rest.... Volbeat.

jariten1781 > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs
10/01/2014 at 11:13

Oh yeah, I love kids perspectives on things...they can be enlightening, humorous, or even horrifying. Art Linkletter's and Bill Cosby's 'Kids Say the Darndist Things' and the new media reboot 'Kids React' on the Finebros Youtube channel are some of my favorite things to watch. If you haven't watched the second...their reactions to the NES and Walkman are especially humorous.

I don't ascribe too much weight to their views however.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > EL_ULY
10/01/2014 at 11:25

Yeah, but when they teach hate, that really isn't Ok.

Kinja'd!!!

Too bad that Ok soda never really took off, it could've been an agent of change, far greater than anyone imagines.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
10/01/2014 at 11:35

to go along with everyone saying you were hating on haters:

Kinja'd!!!

To go along with the point of this post, I'm with you 100%. Kids are born color blind and issue ignorant. If the issues are never presented, they just don't care. It's actually really cool to see. I'm proud of the fact that my son plays with kids of all races at his daycare and says hello to anyone he sees.

If you teach hate, you definitely raise a kid with hate in them, and who wants that?

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > GhostZ
10/01/2014 at 11:38

You're right, as a nation, we put way too many time, efforts and resources in this thing, we should just leave those people alone, to marry whoever they want and focus on what really matters right now, things like space exploration, fighting world hunger and mass producing t-shirts made out of beef jerky.

EL_ULY > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
10/01/2014 at 11:41

It's their kids, they can teach them what they want is how I see it. Even if somethings are hateful and idiotic unfortunately.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > GhostZ
10/01/2014 at 12:16

Was there a surge of homophobia after 9/11 in America?

Dubblewhopper > Meatcoma
10/01/2014 at 12:52

I saw them two weeks ago here in Billings, their set was at least an hour, made Vinnie Paul's band, Hell Yeah, look like a back up band for The Bee Gees. And made Five Finger Butt Plug look like a back up band to Julio Iglesias.

Smeagol > EL_ULY
10/01/2014 at 12:55

Eugene? Are you having a stroke?

EL_ULY > Smeagol
10/01/2014 at 13:00

LOL!!!!

GhostZ > Goshen, formerly Darkcode
10/01/2014 at 13:10

In some areas. Sort of an after-effect of a strong surge in strict / orthodox Christianity.

FrankN.Stein > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
10/01/2014 at 13:24

Kinja'd!!!

NorwoodIsMyHero > jariten1781
10/01/2014 at 13:35

Dude, this is the Gawker-verse. One of the main reasons this whole place exists is to increase smugness in echo chambers.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > FrankN.Stein
10/01/2014 at 13:35

Lol.

B-Man > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
10/01/2014 at 13:54

Two wrongs don't make a right comes to mind. How about taking the high road rather than declare homophobes?

artiofab > B-Man
10/01/2014 at 15:11

Tell you what. I'll take the moral high road and stop using the word "homophobia" as soon as heterosexuals extend equal rights to non-heterosexuals. Deal?

B-Man > artiofab
10/02/2014 at 07:45

No deal. Not even a reasonable retort. It's filled with anger fueled righteousness and it gets in the way of influencing people to change.

artiofab > B-Man
10/02/2014 at 09:35

... what part of demanding the extension of equal rights is not reasonable?????

B-Man > artiofab
10/02/2014 at 09:53

This is mixing reason with angry attack. Change it to ' see how reasonable a six year old can be?' and drop the homophobe insult and you have changed the whole tone and taken the higher ground.

artiofab > B-Man
10/02/2014 at 17:09

Alright I will get in touch with the rest of the LGBT community and we will stop referring to heterosexist people as homophobes. Will that help us get equal rights?

B-Man > artiofab
10/02/2014 at 22:03

Now you're just being contrary. Good luck to you.

artiofab > B-Man
10/03/2014 at 00:11

Okay, I got in touch with the entire LGBT community and all of us decided to stop using the word "homophobic" when it does not apply. We will instead use heteronormative and heterosexist in situations wherein those properly apply, and homophobic only in situations where it applies.

So, does ... that help us get equal rights? Because I'm a bit confused on why we have to watch our language when we're the ones being treated as second-class citizens.

B-Man > artiofab
10/03/2014 at 09:58

I do not deny you have good reason to feel like you do; but the message on this illustration is completely lost on those you would try to influence. If you want to change hearts I can tell you that you're not going to accomplish it by making your audience defensive. Is that such a hard thing to understand?

artiofab > B-Man
10/03/2014 at 10:58

That's not a hard thing to understand at all. I didn't make the illustration. I didn't write this post praising the illustration. So I don't know what I did to make any audience defensive.

B-Man > artiofab
10/03/2014 at 11:42

You responded to me, I responded to the post. You keep coming back. Sorry if there has been a misunderstanding between us.

artiofab > B-Man
10/03/2014 at 12:11

Mmmhmm.

B-Man > artiofab
10/03/2014 at 13:24

artiofab gonna try one more time. When I was referring to making an audience defensive I was discussing as I've always been discussing; the picture. Go back and read the thread. You responded as if my first post was directed at you when you introduced equal rights into the discourse.

HintOfOppo > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
10/04/2014 at 01:39

Nearly all things that have made people around the world miserable, has been taught to them.

Tohru > FrankN.Stein
10/12/2014 at 11:01

I tried to apply to become a lesbian but my application got rejected. Bunch of sexist jerks.