I am not a dudebro, and I like the Subaru rumble

"YSI-what can brown do for you" (ysi-what-can-brown-do-for-you)
01/31/2014 at 12:27 • Filed to: None

It is a great sound, and just because a certain group of people like it doesn't make it any less awesome.

My personal favorite video right der.

Yeah it makes less power BUT I don't care.

DISCUSSION (31)

gt6xxer > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 12:32

Thanks mostly to unequal length exhaust headers.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 12:32

Yeah it makes less power BUT I don't care.

Oh no, are we losing you to the dark side of fart cans and stickers?

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper
01/31/2014 at 12:34

Next thing you know I will be buying Rotas and. . . oh shit.

YSI-what can brown do for you > gt6xxer
01/31/2014 at 12:35

The glorious unequal lenght headers!!!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 12:42

Dude! Bro...

I agree.

twinturbobmw > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 12:45

Although these are too loud for my taste, they sound really good.

YSI-what can brown do for you > twinturbobmw
01/31/2014 at 12:47

There is never too loud, only too quiet!!!! I mean unless it is like at a decibel level that like kills people, then it might be too loud.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 12:48

Drive around setting off car alarms with your exhaust and telling people it added 30 HP to your NA 2.0... should we have an intervention?

Frank Grimes > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 12:50

agreed.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper
01/31/2014 at 12:56

My exhaust hasn't added shit but with that tune man! WITH THAT TUNE!!!

I swear it isn't that loud, you can barely hear it at idle . Granted 30 might be a bit high, but I wouldn't doubt somewhere between 10 to 20 up top . Maybe more in the mid range(with the dip and all).

McMike > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 13:02

I have UL headers on my boxer.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 13:03

Yeah, if you tune it or get one of those AEM intakes that has the "tuner"/resister bit in there to fool the computer you probably could get that. It just definitely won't be from a muffler, CAI, and stickers... no matter how many times you go through the car wash ;)

YSI-what can brown do for you > McMike
01/31/2014 at 13:03

Now that is what I am talking about!

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper
01/31/2014 at 13:08

I put some pretty heavy duty mufflers though, considering that it is almost straight through up until the catback, and keeps the car pretty quiet. I am like the dude in the dyno though, full exhaust, and a tune(whenever that happens).

Getting an intake is just a bad idea. Like every Subaru, the factory intake is actually pretty good, and no reason to spend money on some engine bay dress up.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 13:14

Most intakes are. Panel filters move more air than most cone filters and being non-oiled most factory systems keep the efficiency higher, longer, in the whole intake system. The AEM intake actually makes power, but it's essentially tuning compensation into the system via confusing/fooling the MAF reading to accomplish somewhat of the same goal as a general tune... but without the specifics of the car being factored in.

Without a tune you are probably just running rich, but after the tune you will probably pick up quite a fair bit of power for the mods.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper
01/31/2014 at 13:20

I was thinking about getting a panel filter, they are 50 bucks so whats the worst that can happen? Although I feel as though they would get fine particles into the engine which could cause some premature wear.

And yeah, with all these new cars you have to get a tune otherwise all the mods you have done are completely useless(although it does sound awesome). Sadly there are basically only two options for my car currently, ECUtek, which doesn't allow the user to access the tuners files and OpenFlash tablet, which does but isn't as flexible as ECUtek for the tuner(like FI or racerom features). I am expecting something around 10 to 15 hp up top, and more in the torque dip which is where most tuners quote the 20 to 30hp "gain"

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 13:32

ECUTek is the best bet unless you are going to get serious. If I end up boosting the wife's BRZ, I'll probably just go ahead and buy a standalone like a Haltech or AEM EMS. After doing piggy backs on my other cars I really don't save that much money and I like the freedom to have access to all the maps or multiple maps. Of course that all depends on what I can convince her to go for. If all we do are basic mods and something like the Innovate kit, I'll probably just use their included ECUTek flash.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper
01/31/2014 at 13:41

Do you think ECUtek is the way to go? I was thinking OFT, just cause they have off the shelf maps which are pretty good, and you can adjust them yourself. Plus it is a little cheaper(like 2 to 300 dollars cheaper).

For what I am doing to the engine(no FI or engine swaps until after college), I don't think a piggy back is worth it. I did see a bug with an EJ25 using a stand alone, and it just wouldn't run. They must have messed up on the tuning.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 13:50

There is a lot to consider on both piggy backs and standalone systems. I bought a motorcycle that had a Power Commander on it that was "tuned". As soon as I rode the bike before I even bought it I knew it was way off on power and way way too rich. I bought it, took it to the dyno, and when we pulled the map it had reset it's self to all 0's. It would seem the last guy tried to tune it, but somehow disconnected the permanent power lead or shorted it in some way. As soon as we mapped it properly and tuned it on the dyno we picked up 21 HP... which is a big deal on a vehicle that weighs less than 400lbs.

I won't know until it gets closer. The markets are always changing so I don't set anything in stone until it's time to buy, then I visit with the tuners that I might work with and get their opinions.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper
01/31/2014 at 13:56

Totally meant to say a piggy back system is all I need, not they are not worth it. This is what I get for not being able to type/read.

In any case, I really don't want to tune a car myself for this reason. I could even cause it to run lean which some tuner did and the dudes engine ended up blowing up!!!

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 14:02

Yeah, lean is very bad. That's why even before I do any pushing of the tune I install an AFR/Pyro in the car as well as using the tail pipe sensor from the dyno. I like to check and double check. I also do it because the mix and change as you're driving in different conditions/fuel.

It's always better to keep an eye on it and avoid problems then fix them later. Of course my tunes on both my Z and this car will be pretty conservative for reliability. It's not like either one are dedicated to track use... at this point.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper
01/31/2014 at 14:29

I have heard factory AFR sensors aren't accurate and you should get a wideband if you plan to monitor levels. Although, if you get OFT they give you the ability to monitor AFR through the tablet, which is pretty cool.

I also want a conservative tune. Power is nice, but I personally want my DD to work properly.

ilostmypants > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 14:42

Video's never sound as good as they do in person, Havent found a video that gets my heart racing like a really good subaru exhaust note does in person.

this one gets pretty close though.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 14:42

Yeah, when I say AFR/Pyro I'm generally talking about a wide band AFR and a rapid sample EGT. EGT can tell you quite a lot on a turbo vehicle.

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 15:07

I love the UEL boxer sound as well. It goes along with the idea that sports cars are about more than just going fast. They should be pleasurable as well.

In this case, they make a nice sound :)

JACU - I've got bonifides. > YSI-what can brown do for you
01/31/2014 at 15:18

What I say right before I start the Forester...

Annoys the hell out of my wife.

YSI-what can brown do for you > JACU - I've got bonifides.
01/31/2014 at 15:30

this is beautiful. I am going to use it from now on.

N/A POWAAAHH > Casper
01/31/2014 at 19:19

Funny thing is, UELs on a 2.5i have proven power gains.

YSI-what can brown do for you > BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires
01/31/2014 at 19:24

From the short time I drove my car with UEL headers I can say that the car was 100x more fun!

Casper > N/A POWAAAHH
01/31/2014 at 20:14

I have never seen anyone gain more power with a properly set ELH vs a proper ULH. It's physics. The entire principal revolves around the air velocity, pressure, and flow. If you are running unequal length headers and gaining power over equal length headers, there was a design flaw in the equal length headers.

Headers have very little impact unless they are an impedance on turbo cars as far as final numbers. The difference is properly configured manifolds will match the requirements of the turbos better to spool them sooner, keep them spooled, etc. It's just very had to setup equal lengths on an engine like a boxer.

Kinja'd!!!

2tonic > YSI-what can brown do for you
02/02/2014 at 08:01

I love the Toyobaru, but boxer fours still sound like popcorn poppers to me. Cylinder count is too low for a flat design - too much syncopation to my ears. Flat six's sound far better, and they don't even sound that good until mid-revs, but you get a great howl in the mid and upper reaches.

That being said, I do prefer the Toyobaru sound to the WRX-type noise.