What Car Model Was Not Shamed By The Debut of it's Replacement?

"Tim (Fractal Footwork)" (fractalfootwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:18 • Filed to: Show Us, OppositeLock

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A new model year always brings with it the risk of transforming the predecessor into an embarrassment, as is the goal for the designers, but occasionally the aged chassis can still hold its own in the used marketplace and possibly steal new car sales away from its replacement.

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What other models were not shamed by their replacements?

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:19

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No one can say for sure until sales numbers come out....

That is the real measure of success, not some abject enthusiasts' dream

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:19

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its*

EL_ULY > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:20

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its replacement had good intentions, but this was just ultra epic.

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:20

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K. I got one.

THIS AIN'T SUCCEEDING NO F40.

Dimelo > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:20

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acura integra getting replaced by the acura rsx

CAR_IS_MI > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:21

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The Mustang II.

It was so bad it made the previous version look amazing.

MtrRider Just Wants Doritos > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:22

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The 2011 Honda Civic

For Sweden > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:22

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Textured Soy Protein > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:23

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Porsche 944 Turbo > 968

Porsche 993 > 996

BMW 135is > M235i

BMW Z4 M > Z4 sDrive35i

Battery Tender Unnecessary > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:25

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The way the question is phrased is confusing. If you mean ashamed of its replacement, then:

The E46 M3

I still find it to be superior in almost all areas besides power to the E90. I kept a E46 M3 for 10 years and miss it dearly. I had a E90 M3 for a less than a year and didn't give a second thought to trading it on a C63.

If you mean shamed (spanked/supplanted/etc) by it's replacement, the new M3/4 is mopping the floor with the E90 in all the ways I care about.

...Basically I'm saying I don't like the E90 M3 compared to its predecessor and successor.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:25

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Porsche 993.

carcrasher88 > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:28

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And the answer is...

...Miata.

As good as the current one is, and it's really good, the first two were the best.

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:28

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1st/2nd Gen Eclipse (or Talon)....now hold your horses before you flame me. But this was the pinnacle of the Eclipse's era. And nothing will replace a 1G/2G Eclipse in my list of cars I'd like to hoon.

AWD + Turbo + Manuel = Fun in a bun

KB Garage > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 01/16/2014 at 16:31

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Edit: I am a dumbass

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > KB Garage 01/16/2014 at 16:33

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I read it like 5 times before I got it too x-x Initially I posted the 991 Targa because it looks way better than the old Targas. :D

KB Garage > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 01/16/2014 at 16:35

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WORDS: What do they mean?!
I feel stupid.

GTI MkVII > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 01/16/2014 at 16:35

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This x1,000,000

JR1 > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:35

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Basically any successor to a car from the 1960s in the 1970s

Of course even these cars have their own hidden surprises!

Manuél Ferrari > EL_ULY 01/16/2014 at 16:38

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AGREE!

Wacko > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:38

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I would say the Protegé5, which was replaced by the mazda3 hatch.

The protegé5 was fun to drive, felt sporty, loved corners and had a sporty look.

The mazda3 felt bigger/slower/heavier....

Manuél Ferrari > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 01/16/2014 at 16:38

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Ohhh this might be a winner.

Manuél Ferrari > Battery Tender Unnecessary 01/16/2014 at 16:42

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True. I have both and I feel quicker in the E46. I am more confident driving fast through the twisties in the E46. Both my cars are stock and I think the stock setup in the E46 coupe is better than the stock setup in the E92 coupe or E90 sedan. That being said the E9X seems to benefit more from after market mods than the E46 did. We have some cool opponauts who have improved their E9X cars and track them with great success.

I am selling my E46 M3 not because I don't love it, but because the E90 is my only 4 door car. It can really come in handy to have a 4 door car sometimes... I wish there had been a sedan version of the E46 like there was the E36

BKRM3 > Battery Tender Unnecessary 01/16/2014 at 16:42

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Agree to disagree. The S65 engine is flawless. My previous car had an N54. Turbos are for the birds. The only thing they're good for on a track car is creating a whole lot of heat.

And the M3/4? I'll never own a sports car with a feature called "lane departure warning." If we let the Germans tell us what's best, we'll end up like the GT3 - two pedals only. Although that doesn't bother a Mercedes driver, I guess =)

Manuél Ferrari > Textured Soy Protein 01/16/2014 at 16:42

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Why don't you like the M235i?

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 16:46

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03-04 Mustang Cobra.

Once again the pinnacle of an era for a lot of people. Sure the new 2013 GT500s are faster, but they're also heavier, more expensive, and lack the true race car heritage that the Cobras do.

For most Mustang enthusiasts, the 03-04 Cobra will always be the biggest step in Mustang history. Possibly only bested by the 2000 Cobra R.

*obligatory picture of my own :D*

Battery Tender Unnecessary > BKRM3 01/16/2014 at 16:52

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On further reflection, it might be that I like the M156 so much more than the S65 that it is contributing to my tainted view of the E90. Nothing from Audi or AMG could match the E46 at the time, whereas the RS4 and C63 were legitimate competition for the E90.

RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire > Dimelo 01/16/2014 at 16:54

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damn that hurts

CobraJoe > CAR_IS_MI 01/16/2014 at 17:04

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I wouldn't call it bad.

It was smaller and lighter than the outgoing '73, it was fuel efficient in a time where it was sorely wanted, and they didn't look too bad considering the sudden law changes regarding bumpers (and the competition at the time).

That being said, it hasn't aged well.

Reigntastic > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 17:05

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2700 pounds of curvaceous, turbocharged goodness-

Replaced with this convertible redheaded stepchild with just over 100hp.

CobraJoe > Wacko 01/16/2014 at 17:05

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As an owner of a P5, I completely agree.

I can't even think of anything else that acts as eager to respond to your inputs.

SpeedSix > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 17:06

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No newer Continental is as classy.

Also, the next one went back to body-on-frame compared to this one's unibody.

Textured Soy Protein > Manuél Ferrari 01/16/2014 at 17:07

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Oh, it's still a good car, I just don't think it improves over the 135is other than it looks less smushed and offers more gizmos (if such things appeal to you). I'm biased because I have a 135is.

Compared to my car, the M235i is:

Slightly heavier

ZF 8-speed instead of 7-speed DCT

Not-as-good steering from the F30 3-series

Stuck with iDrive even if you don't want navigation

Makes fake engine noises where the 135is has the M Performance Exhaust and real engine noises

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Reigntastic 01/16/2014 at 17:10

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Lulz. I didn't even think of the poor little MR2. What a shame...

Manuél Ferrari > Textured Soy Protein 01/16/2014 at 17:10

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Oh I forgot your car has the DCT!

And I forgot about the electric power steering. I hate that crap.

I didn't know the M235i was going to have fake engine noises. It should have a real exhaust instead!

I do really dig the M235i looks. But your car probably is more fun to drive.

Reigntastic > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 01/16/2014 at 17:11

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Makes me laugh when I see what people try to sell the MK3 for compared to what I paid for my MK2 turbo. What could have been.

BKRM3 > Battery Tender Unnecessary 01/16/2014 at 17:12

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That's a very accurate observation. Having competition in this segment is fantastic for the enthusiast. If I only needed to use the car as a daily driver, I think I'd find it almost impossible to choose between the E90 M3, RS4 and C63. I might actually pick the Audi.

As it is, though, I needed a car that was just as capable on the track and I'm sorry to say that only one of the above really fits that description. I've been on track with multiple C63s (though I've never driven one myself) and, while I absolutely love hearing the exhaust, it's just not a "track car" by any stretch.

Regardless of our quips from generation to generation, I don't think there will really ever be any M3 (or 4, I guess) that will be "shamed" by its replacement. If we don't think the US spec E36 fits into that category (and I really don't think it does), the other cars are probably safe as well. Each generation tends to be a pretty radical departure from the previous, and they all have their charms. As much as I love the E90, I still admire the E46 and would be proud to own one...

Textured Soy Protein > Manuél Ferrari 01/16/2014 at 17:14

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I'm assuming fake engine noises because the M135i has them. BMW calls it a Sound Symposer.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/113010752307/b…

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Reigntastic 01/16/2014 at 17:16

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If they would've stopped trying to make it a compact city car and instead learned that a big majority of them were being bought by enthusiasts, then they might have went a different route. But Toyota does kind of suck at keeping a sports car model around for very long, so its to be expected.

I'd love to see a modern-day MR2. Give it the same specs as the old turbo 2nd gen, but with a newer body and people would be all over it.

Manuél Ferrari > Textured Soy Protein 01/16/2014 at 17:17

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I hate that crap...

I don't mind Ford's "sound tube" so much since it's real engine noise being piped in from the engine bay to the cabin.

But that Sound Symposer stuff is total nonsense.

EL_ULY > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 01/16/2014 at 17:18

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if the F40 had just had the sound of the F50

THOMAS5 > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 01/16/2014 at 17:27

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Shhhhhhhhhh let us think we matter

Reigntastic > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 01/16/2014 at 17:27

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I'd want a little more power, more like 300/300. The FRS almost makes what the 2.0T did as a NA 2.0, so new tech would easily support more power.

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Reigntastic 01/16/2014 at 17:39

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Weren't they somewhere in the 220hp range? Or is that way off?

I think 260-300 would be pretty do-able, but in such a small and lightweight package they'd be killing teenagers left and right lol.

Devilishprune > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 17:54

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According to the majority of OPPO (/the whole internet?): the 2014 WRX.

Personally, the restyling of the 2015 MY WRX makes me more apt to get one because it looks less like a wannabe Fast and Furious-mobile.

Nonster > Reigntastic 01/16/2014 at 17:56

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sorry I couldn't resist

2200 lbs of angular 80's, space wedge, naturally aspirated goodness

replaced with this big heavy Ferrari wannabe

=) just kidding (kinda) I love all MR2's

Reigntastic > Nonster 01/16/2014 at 17:58

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No need to apologize, I really like the MK1 as well. 500 pounds gained on the MK2, but a great bump in power and quality.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > THOMAS5 01/16/2014 at 18:36

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It's ok to dream but delusion is bad

Axial > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/16/2014 at 22:46

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In keeping with the theme of the title picture, the C2 Corvette was not shamed by its replacement:

The C3 was the same chassis with a new body and interior, and those are just different rather than better. What the C3 did to better was emissions, but that came at a very high cost in terms of power.

Orange Exige > Nonster 01/18/2014 at 11:36

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YES!

Reigntastic is right though - at least they did even it out with the added power.

The 3rd gen went the opposite direction - significant weight loss, but also a significant power loss. I bet it's still quick and insanely fun, but it is a good answer for this question. Kind of a let down - especially when it became it convertible-only (in the US) :/

Orange Exige > carcrasher88 01/18/2014 at 11:39

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The NC's are too bloated imo.

The NB's are arguably the best Miatas ever. It's true that they lack the character-boosting popup headlights, but otherwise they literally took everything good from the NA and made it better.

Saf1 > Tim (Fractal Footwork) 01/24/2014 at 22:35

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I read this wrong! I thought you meant a successor not bringing shame to the brand :D Anyways:

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Orange Exige 01/25/2014 at 12:54

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I think what he is getting at is that ever model, and ever some mid model changes year of the Miata has gotten heavier, larger, comfier. Less Miatay

I just hope the next Miata doesn't look like this. This design is just way to BMW, way to sharp, way not cute enough to be a Miata lol.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 01/25/2014 at 12:55

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I like the 99-04 Mustang simply b/c the are so much smaller than the 05-up Stangs

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Dimelo 01/25/2014 at 12:58

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I love the RSX Type S. I just don't get why they ditch the Integra name on our shores. The RSX type-S should have been the Interga GSR. I loved my GSR and although I've never driven an RSX, I plan on getting a Type-S b/c finding a clean stock GSR is impossible.

Orange Exige > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/25/2014 at 13:46

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ha, I do see a bit of Z4 in it now that you mention it.

It looks nice, but I can see what you mean. It does have a few too many sharp edges and doesn't necessarily scream Miata.
But at the same time, I can definitely see Mazda going this direction with the Miata.

If they can drop the weight considerably - which I believe they were talking about - then we'll be all good. I think they were also saying about having an optional low-end 1.5L motor which is a whole lotta bleh, but most importantly, they gotta keep the weight down. It'd be nice if they could trim down the body to make it less chunky than the NC, but I don't really see Mazda making it any smaller :/