DD Track Burn: "Your Friends Buddies Are Talking Shit"

"PRBot II" (prbot2)
09/18/2013 at 11:45 • Filed to: dd track burn

You told him not to bring his new buddies from work over. But your friend did it anyway. Now they're drinking brews and running their mouths over who's whip is the best DD vs track car. Put 'em in their places.

Guy drinking rum and Coke:

2003 Nissan 350Z, manual transmission

0 - 60 ~ 5.1 seconds

Dude drinking Miller High Life:

1998 Ford Mustang GT (not Cobra, bad pic), manual transmission

0 - 60 ~ 6.1 seconds

Guy drinking whiskey on the rocks:

1994 325i Convertible, manual transmission

0 - 60 ~ 7.2 seconds

I'm gonna post and bail for now... be back in an hour.

DISCUSSION (20)

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > PRBot II
09/18/2013 at 11:48

DD E36
Track Mustang GT (that's a Cobra btw)
Burn Z33

CKeffer > PRBot II
09/18/2013 at 11:50

DD: BMW
Track: 350Z
Burn: the useless 90's Rustang (I like mustangs, but this generation were pretty bad, there are far worse, but this is up there).

Mattbob > PRBot II
09/18/2013 at 11:50

I'd probably track the Z, and DD the BMW because convertible. Burn the old Mustang.

Casper > PRBot II
09/18/2013 at 11:52

Is there an option to just burn them all? I'd rather walk.

Z_Stig > PRBot II
09/18/2013 at 11:52

DD and Track the Z.
Burn the Mustang and the Bimmer.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > PRBot II
09/18/2013 at 11:53

DD the 350z because it's probably the most comfortable of the three, I guess. Not really happy with this decision.

Track the Mustang because with a couple grand in chassis upgrades it will be just as competent as (probablymore compentent than) the Z, but it'll cost far less to run regularly.

Burn the E36 because E36 convertibles just don't do anything for me and it's going to be the most maintenance intensive of the three.

Weird DD, T, B, for me.

daender > PRBot II
09/18/2013 at 12:00

DD Mustang
Track 350Z
Burn 352i

The hard part here was deciding between the Z and Stang. Both are decent performance cars on a budget; the Z is better out of the box but the Mustang has a wider and more affordable range of performance parts. I'm assuming as-is stock, the Z would be a better track car.

William Byrd > PRBot II
09/18/2013 at 12:03

DD and Track - Mustang GT. I won the Street Touring X class in autocross one season in a GT with just adjustable Konis, H&R springs and decent tires. Plus, backseat.

Burn the Z (too small, I owned one) and the sorority girl special.

Decay buys too many beaters > PRBot II
09/18/2013 at 12:08

I kind of want to burn them all, but I guess I could live with the Z for DD/Track. I'd burn the other two though.

SatriaFanboy > PRBot II
09/18/2013 at 12:11

DD the Mustang because I would rock a SN95 no matter what.

Track the 350Z

Burn the Bimmer.

PRBot II > Goshen, formerly Darkcode
09/18/2013 at 12:29

Whoops.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > PRBot II
09/18/2013 at 12:31

Track the Z. The chassis is more modern, and properly independent suspension, and it is a 2-seat sports car from the get go. Lot less money required to stiffen the chassis, than to get a Fox or SN95 Mustang to a stiff-chassis baseline for the track.

Race-prep stripped, the Z is likely lighter, too, for being smaller.

SN-95 was adapted from Fox... it is 1970's era tech. The Z was designed much more recently, technology-wise, and designed to be a 2-seat performance car only. The base Mustang V6 lowest-denominator of the mustang is not that... and everything else is built on top of that baseline.

DD either the Mustang or the BMW, the mustang will be less refined but cheaper to run, the BMW will be nicer, but older, and more expensive to maintain or repair.

If you had 2 350Zs, you could track one, and daily the other, and not bother with the OLD BMW or the flexible-flyer Mustang.

If it were a S197 Mustang, the footing might be more equal. If it were Coyote V8 powered, the Mustang might have the edge, as a stick axle isn't as dis-advantaged on a nice smooth track as it is on crappy buckling street pavement.

delete-me-please123 > PRBot II
09/18/2013 at 12:46

DD - The ragtop

Track - The datsun

Burn - All mustangs

feather-throttle-not-hair > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
09/18/2013 at 13:04

I actually think those mustangs have independent rear suspension. Just the cobras though.

feather-throttle-not-hair > PRBot II
09/18/2013 at 13:07

As a 350z owner....they won't hit 60 that quickly, high fives at best. They suck to launch and want to axle hop everywhere.

PRBot II > feather-throttle-not-hair
09/18/2013 at 13:14

I thought that time seemed a little quick... I blame 0-60times.com

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > feather-throttle-not-hair
09/18/2013 at 13:18

The original post didn't say SVT Cobra, it said Mustang GT.

And the stock Cobra IRS needs modification to avoid wheel hop, and the rest of the chassis is still about as rigid as a wet-noodle compared to other 90's era cars.

The 350Z didn't need an IRS retrofit via an additional sub-frame. (adds weight), it was designed with it to begin with.

feather-throttle-not-hair > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
09/18/2013 at 13:26

Ahhhhh got it. Yeah I agree with everything you said pretty much but I remember specifically those cobras having IRS. Makes sense if the OP edited his post.

The 350z also wheel hops like a motherfucker btw. But the chassis is stiff, the steering and shifter feel excellent (direct linkage) and the handling is on the good side of decent. Brakes and probably cooling could use an upgrade for the track though.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > feather-throttle-not-hair
09/18/2013 at 13:38

IRS on the Cobra was an improvement, but didn't change that the chassis was basically a modified 70's era platform, only a step or two up, in base form, from an economy car, by being RWD, with some sporty potential.

But I put 350Z in with Miata, and others, that were designed to be exactly what they are... 2-seat 4-wheel independent suspension cars with little or no excess wheelbase length.

Interesting that the 350Z wheel hops.. I had heard that they had tire wear and sometimes alignment problems...

Good to hear about the good aspects, too, steering, stiff chassis, direct shifting, etc...

Track model 350Zs had brembos, did they not? I would think that would be a good option... and there are good aluminum aftermarket radiators available.

I always kind of wish they had put the VK45 or VK50 V8s in the Z and G35 Coupe, even just as a special edition... Even better with a VK modified for a flat crank.

feather-throttle-not-hair > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
09/18/2013 at 13:47

Yeah track edition 350zs have brembos. The tire feathering issue was I think only on the 03-05 models. I'm pretty sure they got it worked out, but mine is an 06 so I didn't really pay too much attention.

It would've been really cool if they'd put a vk series in the z or the g. Funnily enough a lot of people doing v8 swaps just go with the ls, which apparently fits really nicely.