"twinturbobmw" (twinturbobmw)
09/10/2013 at 12:00 • Filed to: Craigslist Hunt
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"twinturbobmw" (twinturbobmw)
09/10/2013 at 12:00 • Filed to: Craigslist Hunt | 0
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Craigslist Hunt is where I provide a budget and topic and you find a car on you local Craigslist.
Topic: Potential Drag Racer
Budget: 4,500
505Turbeaux
> twinturbobmw
09/10/2013 at 12:08 |
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83 Capri. Good bones to start with for $3500
Party-vi
> twinturbobmw
09/10/2013 at 12:13 |
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Look . At . These . Drag . Cars .
GhostZ
> twinturbobmw
09/10/2013 at 12:13 |
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This is too easy.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/405639…
1986 Monte Carlo for $4500. I don't think it has an engine (ad doesn't specify, no pictures) but it's been stripped, prepared, caged, with a fuel cell, hookups up for nitrous, fiberglass doors and lexon windows, it isn't a potential drag racer, it is a drag racer.
If this thing has an engine, its gold. If it doesn't, you can probably drop in some junkyard 350 to get it started and still come in under $4500. Then you could be running consistent 10's legally with nothing but a good set of new tires and 3000$ in used engine parts.
MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> twinturbobmw
09/10/2013 at 12:47 |
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Some of you found what could become a drag car. I present to you fully functioning drag cars to go tear up the track today!
1974 Nova 400ci built engine, fast!
Coty
> twinturbobmw
09/10/2013 at 12:50 |
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TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
> twinturbobmw
09/10/2013 at 12:56 |
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some good choices:
http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/cto/4012072662…
http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/ctd/4049643154…
http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/cto/3983226178…
04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches.
> twinturbobmw
09/10/2013 at 13:12 |
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Anyone who has ever seen a built one of these knows they can be a heartbreaker...
BJ
> twinturbobmw
09/10/2013 at 14:30 |
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I failed to find anything really dragstrip worthy, but I did find a car being sold by a guy named Drag: http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/cto/4037418046…
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Kurisu95
> twinturbobmw
09/10/2013 at 19:57 |
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http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/405115…
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GhostZ
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
09/10/2013 at 21:19 |
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I'm fairly sure that Ventura was supposed to be $25000...
The two Novas though I can't understand. They wouldn't be 30,000 or 45,000 dollar cars... but who in their right mind would sell them that low? Are they really that desperate? You could just show up to a drag strip, slap a for sale sign and a decent E.T. (that you did that day) on it and probably walk away $10000 richer.
Blue Meanie
> twinturbobmw
09/11/2013 at 09:14 |
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http://winchester.craigslist.org/cto/4014977757…
I'm sure he could be talked down $500
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> GhostZ
09/11/2013 at 09:30 |
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A gutted 1973 Ventura in Flint michigan goes for 2500 bucks.
If he was smart he would drive it down to the drag strip in Milan to get some more money but that's what you get near flint. The Novas I can see doing better. The Ventura has "no body searches for me" disease. That's a disease I invented when I found the Montego. No one searches for a Montego looking for a muscle car. No one. lol. I searched for Torino and found it (and most don't even think to search for a Torino!). But yeah, no chance someone is searching Ventura, I found it by searching "drag car". So then they slowly drop the price down to pretty much what the engine/trans is worth lol. That thing really isn't much more than a shell with an engine though.
Either way, Detroit has cheap muscle. If you really want a muscle car and have a tight budget, get your buddy's truck, grab a trailer and drive to Michigan. Park somewhere and start calling around on Craigslist you'll have a muscle car in minutes.
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GhostZ
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
09/11/2013 at 10:46 |
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My old college roommate was from Flint, and I live in Chicago, so jumping over to detroit wouldn't be hard at all.
I might have to do that when I'm looking for Windsor blocks and parts later down the road.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> GhostZ
09/11/2013 at 10:55 |
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Oh man windsor parts are EVERY WHERE out here. I have a 302 in my 68 Montego and all the 351 W stuff bolts right on. If I want in the future I'll just grab 351W heads and bolt them on for a quick easy and cheap upgrade.
What do you have with a Windsor in it?
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> BJ
09/11/2013 at 10:57 |
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I think that deserves an honorable mention.
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GhostZ
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
09/11/2013 at 11:04 |
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I'm looking to swap a 302 into a Z sometime in the next few years when I'm out of college. I had a QnA thread a while back about what type of parts I should be looking for to make a budget high-rpm build (haha, yeah) since a stroker motor is out of the question with how light the Z's body is. The torque will rip the tires off, so I'm going for RPMs instead.
The tentative plan is to find an early 70s Mexican 302 block from a pick a part and put in 289 rods and crank. The Mexican-cast 302 had larger mains (similar to a rarer 289 Hi-Po) that are suited for sustaining higher RPMs, and the 289 had a better rod/stroke and bore/stroke ratio. Then I just have to find a good set of heads that will flow at 7000 rpm and an aggressive cam. I'll probably go cheap on the bottom end, big on the top end, and save up for a 4-bolt main race block.
I'd love to go with a 351W, but the cranks won't switch (you'd have to custom fabricate a crank since the 351 has much, much larger mains) so getting the stroke down could be a problem. No one makes short-stroke cranks for windsor motors. It's actually hard to find a 289 (2.87 inch) crank aftermarket. Everyone wants more cubic inches instead of RPM.
My main concern is spreading the torque out so I can still make 350-400HP without breaking 300 ft/lbs at peak. It's going behind a stock transmission in a lightweight car, so I'd like to keep the torque low until the wheels so the body has minimal flex and the transmission/differential won't blow. Otherwise that extra power would just be wasted.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> GhostZ
09/11/2013 at 11:15 |
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Sounds like one hell of a plan.
my only recommendation for you (since it's such a well thought out plan lol) is for the intake manifold to go with the Edelbrock Performer RPM the reason is, higher RPM and horsepower without cranking up the torque. This is assuming you're going carburetor and not fuel injection.
Its the same manifold I have on my car. Technically its a 289 manifold but that's the beauty of the Windsor line up! haha!
What are your plans on transmission? I'm guessing you are going manual? I would recommend the C4 or C6(MOAR GEARS) if you are going auto.
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GhostZ
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
09/11/2013 at 11:24 |
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I haven't sorted out intake manifold yet. I'd actually like to do EFI with ITBs, since it will probably yeild the best power (and control over the power). I don't know much about tuning carbs but I've gotten into some engine programming before, so I'd like to see if I can put together an aftermarket EFI system relatively easily.
The Z 5-speed is a stock BW T-5, the same one that mounts to mid-80s Fox Bodies, so retrofitting it onto a stock transmission should be a matter of a new bell housing and some mounts, if I get lucky. I'm hoping the engine can come together for about $3500, that's about $1000 in bottom end parts and $2500 in top end parts, most of which will go into the heads, slapping together a healthy 350HP @ ~6500-7000 rpm.
Ideally? I want to hook it up to a TKO 600. Long-term plans may involve some light turbocharging if the chassis can take it and I won't kill myself in it. For that I'll need an aftermarket block, crank, rods, and pistons, which is why I want to go with stock parts now. No point in buying expensive pistons if I need to drop the compression ratio later. I figure with about a 7.5:1 C/R (69cc chamber on 1.6" piston, 289 rods) running on E85 should let me run at least 8psi boost through a turbo. It's a conservative build, but if everything flows, it should yield about 600 HP @7000rpm.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> GhostZ
09/11/2013 at 12:15 |
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OK let's get one thing straight, 600 hp and 7000rpm is NEVER a conservative build LOL.
No but it sounds like you have a great plan. The EFI is more modern, though you can get good at tuning the carbs pretty quick and it might get you your power cheaper. EFI you'll be able to play with tuning wise to get your power band set exactly where you want it(and you seem to have a very specific place you want it) so that may be the best option. My only question about the EFI is whether you'll have to have emissions ports/gear to make it run right without throwing codes left and right. If that is something you have to support I would look up Trick Flow. They have great heads/ intakes/EFI for the modern 5.0 motors that were in the Fox Bodies. I am sure you've heard of them though because you've clearly done your homework.
I look forward to seeing the results of all this stuff when it gets put together!!!
All I have is an intake manifold/carb upgrade and full exhaust coming tomorrow on my car. Then I move on to cosmetics (rust holes in the floor count as cosmetics or function?lol)
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GhostZ
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
09/11/2013 at 12:32 |
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Haha, yeah. 600HP @ 7000RPM on a short-stroke low-boost motor is relatively conservative though, what I'm expecting to build long term (twin turbo with intercoolers on a aftermarket 4-bolt main block with a .03 - .06 overbore) could put out 750 HP if the boost is high enough (15-20psi) so keeping it at 8psi is a conservative goal for the parts I'm looking at long-term. And since this motor will be going into a 2300lb car... I want to break 10 seconds in the 1/4 mile within 4-5 years hopefully. Especially on E85, it's a reliable goal instead of trying to push the stock motor to the same level and having it blow to pieces.
I'll look into a trick flow intake and price it out. I've got a year or two to get this all put together on paper, so I can wait to see what new products are available too.
On heads, I'm torn between AFR, Trick Flow, and going expensive on Dart. Flow numbers are going to be my biggest concern. I did discover a 32V head made by ARAO engineering that uses a single camshaft and operates four valves per cylinder. They're 6000$ a piece and custom made, but they seem to be the best windsor heads you can buy right now in terms of flow and RPM potential.
Check this out: http://www.carbdford.com/tech/flowdata.…
AFR 185/205/225's look best for the money, but supposedly their valves and springs are weak and not good for high-RPM, so getting a more expensive and slightly better head (like DART) would be best. Those 32V (Dominion) ARAO heads are sort of legendary, but there's a lot issues with the company that makes them and how long they take to manufacturer.
The extent of my build will be all dependent on how much money I've got to drop on it in the next two years. I will definitely need to take some time and get the chassis sorted out before I even consider dropping in the motor, those cars aren't really intended to take anything over 250-300HP without stiffening the metal.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> GhostZ
09/11/2013 at 13:18 |
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Interesting.
I just got rid of a set of the E7TE Iron's last month! Everyone always wants those big CC GT40's. I decided to keep the heads that came stock on my car. Actually the mechanic and I were just joking about it yesterday. He got on the gas hard during a test drive (he had just played with the throttle for me so it was legitimate) and he was like, whatever little old lady owned this car NEVER hit the gas hard in it's life. The block and internals are so smooth on it despite being from 68, he was amazed. So my theory is I'm not playing with what is working perfectly. I don't have the money to fight with new heads to get em running right so I'll keep the originals. I'm not planning on a drag strip for it, just cruisin around town and with how hard it pulls as is, no reason to.
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GhostZ
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
09/11/2013 at 13:38 |
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It's surprising that a good race port made stock Iron heads flow as good/better than GT40's. I think they're generally overrated.
It sounds like you seriously lucked out on a well-maintained engine. For a driver it sounds perfect.
I'm hoping I can get the Mexican-cast 302 out of an old Van or motorhome that never was driven hard in its life. Supposedly they were quite common in those cars, so I can get one that hasn't been abused. Finding a 289 crank that is in clean shape though could be hard. I might get lucky and find an aftermarket/race crank that someone is selling second-hand or didn't need/use.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> GhostZ
09/11/2013 at 13:44 |
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quick search on metro detroit craiglist got these two listings:
http://toledo.craigslist.org/pts/4053699956…
http://toledo.craigslist.org/pts/3974329092…
Might be able to find a crank easier than you think (of course no idea as to the quality of those). If you need help searching around this area let me know, happy to help.
Oh and everytime I turn around I say how lucky I got on that car! 61,000 original miles and the original window sticker...2500 bucks. With upgrades i've put into it I'm still under 2800, about 3000 with the exhaust tomorrow....chirps the tires in every gear (auto trans).
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GhostZ
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
09/11/2013 at 13:52 |
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I'll probably take a weekend and go out to some pick-a-parts with a trailer or U-haul and pick up the best looking motor and maybe a few cranks/rods/pistons in the event that I find a damaged or very worn out one.
I may have to just accept it and get a 302 crank too if I can't get a good one.
The dream scenario is a 289 crank in a 351W so I can use the tall deck to have long (6"+) rods and beefy (2" compression height) pistons. (the better rod/stroke ratio could drop piston accelleration by about 500ft/min I would estimate, letting me run another 500-1000rpm higher with the same strength parts) but it's hard enough to find a 289 crank that fits in a 302... the 351's larger mains apparently make it impossible to fit a 302/289 crank in without seriously deforming it.
Worse yet, a 351 wouldn't have the same weight loss advantages, and might be too tall for the hood to close on it. The Z has no problem with width, but it's not a very tall hood an would need low mounting to fit a 351 without cutting the stock hood up.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> GhostZ
09/11/2013 at 14:30 |
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I wonder how a Z would look with a cowl hood. I know thats an awfully american car style, but it could look cool. That might allow you more height.
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GhostZ
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
09/11/2013 at 14:37 |
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The stock hoods had about a 1/4 - 1/2" cowl already. But... uh... they look pretty bad when you get tall.
I'm really not a fan of cowls, and on the Z's sloping long hood, they look really out of place. On a wider, flat hood like a Muscle Car they look good. A raised, open scoop that follows the curve of the body is a little better, but much less common and much more expensive.
It's pretty common to hollow out the inside of the hood to gain an extra half inch or so, and lose some weight, but removing sound deadening and extra metal. The hoods can get really floppy at that point though, and warp if you go too far.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> GhostZ
09/11/2013 at 15:03 |
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Yeah doesn't work on that.
depends on how it's done though!
Yes i'm aware that's a drastically longer hood.
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GhostZ
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
09/11/2013 at 15:10 |
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Actually, if you put a C3 next to a 240z (which I have) they have about the same proportions, with the C3's hood about the same size but with a little longer nose. The C3's acutally 'hood' part though is much smaller and the giant fenders make it look like the whole front end is bigger.
It's from the door back that the C3 really adds length on the 240z, which has only about a foot or less behind the rear wheel before it ends.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> GhostZ
09/11/2013 at 15:13 |
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So apparently you just need a corvette hood on your Z that will have a Ford small block.
Frankencar
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GhostZ
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
09/11/2013 at 15:17 |
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Haha, no, imagine those massive fender bulges on the Z too!
I love the C3, not as much as the C2, but I'd take a C3 before I'd take a C5 or C1.
In my mind:
C2 > C6> C4 > C3 > C5 > C1
Although my love for the C6 is diminishing, and the C7 bores me.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> GhostZ
09/11/2013 at 15:30 |
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I'm a bit of a Corvette fanatic, despite my ford tendencies these days (gota keep the client happy), I love them ALL. The late 50's and pre stingray 60's were a little boring to me but I still wouldn't turn one down. I might actually turn down a corvette from like 77-82 though....SNORE.
I think the C7 is fantastic. (we finally have a disagreement)
It would look crazy on the Z, that's it swap the whole front clip from a Vette on to it.