5 awesome old school AMG Mercedes you haven't heard of

"Awedgar" (Awedgar) 09/08/2013 at 09:35 • Filed to: None

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Today, let's look at 5 ridiculous and rare classic AMGs.

W201 190E 3.2 AMG

The 190E comes from Mercedes' era of fastidious engineering without compromises, and was clearly aimed to compete with a certain Bavarian manufacturer. Of course, we all know about the Cosworth versions. But this is the real cool one. With a huge 3.2 liter straight six, this is a proper AMG car, handbuilt, and looks extra mean. It features a manual transmission, and a 0-60 time of 7 seconds. Downsides? Well, with a straight six, a manual, and those proportions, it feels almost too squarely aimed at BMW. But who are we kidding, those looks are pure AMG brutishness.

W124 E36 AMG

Of course, we all know about the 500e. Except that one isn't technically an AMG. The e36 AMG is the underdog of the W124 range, perhaps one of the greatest Mercedes ever made. And it's arguably more interesting than the 500e. Indeed, it has a 3.6 liter straight six, 272hp, is available in coupe, convertible, sedan, and just to please Jalopnik readers, an estate version. The best part? All are available with a manual transmission.

W140 S600 AMG 7.1

This particular AMG should perhaps be considered the single most German car ever made. First, just look at it. Second, it's so big that when it came out, they were surprised to see it couldn't be distributed around Europe by train, because it wouldn't fit on them. Third, it has a 7.1 liter V12 good for 496 horsepower. The 7.1 liter version is extremely rare, with only one on sale in Europe right now.

W202 C55 AMG

Of course, you probably have heard of the C36 AMG. Or even C43 AMG. But you probably haven't heard of the C55 AMG. With only a few hundred built, to get one, you had to purchase a C43 AMG, give it back to Mercedes along with a few tens of thousands of dollars extra, after which they would cram the 350hp V8 that you could also get in an E55 AMG and give it back to you. Imagine that, a car the size of a 3 series, with an engine competing with that of an e39 M5. Weight distribution? Those are questions you don't ask. Still, this is easily one of the most ridiculous and awesome AMGs ever to see the light of day.

R129 SL 73 AMG

The R129 SL was a superbly engineered, fast, and safe convertible usually purchased with tame 6 cylinder engines. But over its lifetime, it received a plethora of 6, 8 and 12 cylinder engines. And this is the one you want. The extremely rare SL 73 AMG had 525 horsepower, took 5 seconds to get to 60, and its engine eventually became the Pagani Zonda powerhouse.

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 09:54

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I've heard all of them except the C55.

And oh, it's funny when you see S600 AMG Only makes 96 more hp than you got from my Pedestrian S600.

That's why i had a dream of installing the Brabus's 7.3L V12 to my W140.
586hp, 0-60 in 4.1seconds, what's not to love?

Awedgar > Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. 09/08/2013 at 09:56

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Do it! Now!

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 10:01

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Ya.

As soon as someone is kind enough to give me 100k for conversion at brabus..

Awedgar > Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. 09/08/2013 at 10:02

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I've had that problem too

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 10:22

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I'm not usually a Merc guy, but that 190E really speaks to me...

Michael Delaney reaches down between his legs and eases the seat back > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/08/2013 at 10:39

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Yeah, best of the bunch, I'd say.

Fred (FreddsterExprs) > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 11:09

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Heard of all of them. My favourite is the W140 7.1. Seven point one liters. Amazing.
And the W202 C55 is so rare that nobody really know how many were built. I have heard numbers from 20 to 500.

mDeepee > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 11:28

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what about the mercedes c amg diesel?

JGrabowMSt > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 11:29

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As someone who drives an SL600 AMG quite frequently, I've lusted after the SL73. Go to youtube, Jeremy Clarkson drove one and has a video about it. If ever a car were to *need* a 7.3L V12, this was the best choice to start them all. I just wish the car looked more like the other R129s. Those taillights are on a later model, closer to 2001.

The sad part is, I'll likely never see one in person, much less get a chance to drive or even own one.

emm3 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/08/2013 at 11:33

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The genuine 190e amg - the one with the 3.2 engine and not just the bodykit, which 190e owners could have retrofitted to their ordinary cars - seems to be extremely rare. It would be cool to see how much one of these would go for. I did find this clip of one which is pretty neat (sadly it's just photos, not actual video footage).

_Mécanicien > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 11:33

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7.1l V12 limo? LULZ!

... I want it.

Awedgar > JGrabowMSt 09/08/2013 at 11:34

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Aah fantastic car. Your SL600 is great too, they really don't make them in the same way anymore.

Awedgar > mDeepee 09/08/2013 at 11:36

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Not the 'purest' AMG in my book, mostly because diesel, but certainly an underdog. I could probably make a list of 20 or so rare AMG cars, they seem to make a lot of one or two year low volume beasts.

Speedmonkey > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 11:52

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Mega article. Thanks. Seen S600 and C55 at Mercedes World at Brooklands

Rory > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 11:53

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My neighbour had a Left hand Drive SL73 a while ago. I never knew or understood how important/rare it was. I assume he worked for MB as he had a CLS before he moved , oddly enough it was a diesel.

Awedgar > Rory 09/08/2013 at 11:56

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Find him!

Rory > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 12:15

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He was an interesting , odd man.

bobkustofawitshz > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 12:26

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That W124 E36 AMG... it speaks to me.
Especially in coupe form -

And available with a stick? I may have just found a new holy grail.
And shit, have these things aged well. I'd choose this over any Mercedes produced today.

Awedgar > bobkustofawitshz 09/08/2013 at 12:27

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aaah great pics. Yeah I'm tempted to get one myself

maximum_sarge > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 12:32

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Sorry, but you're missing the best one of all:

(reposted reply from the 560 SEC AMG post)

What is it? It's possibly the only widebody W126 AMG sedan ever made: A 1983 540SE with a manual transmission. The specs, as best as I recall:

- 5.4L Bored, stroked, ported, polished, balanced and blueprinted AMG motor (with AMG cams, mechanical lifters instead of the usual hydraulics, etc) based on a euro 5.0L

- Getrag 5 speed manual transmission with double disc racing clutch and Torsen rear end.

- adjustable suspension (shock adjustment via dash switch)

- the only known widebody W126 sedan ever made , it had a full SEC front clip, SEC rear trim, full leather (dash, headliner, etc), monster Sony stereo, etc.

This was an AMG euro show car that was brought to their US HQ in Chicago after its euro tour. It was bought by my dad's business partner in 1984, and later bought by my dad, who later sold it to a friend of mine's father, who still owns it (in western Michigan).

Getrag 5 speed manual, and some pretty nice Recaro seats:

Small details - The rear chrome strip was also from an SEC, I'm not sure if any of the other rear panels were.

The little buttons on the spokes are the horn. The OE-looking switch closest to the wheel was the suspension adjustment. The dash and all the other trim was covered in leather (which eventually had to be taken apart and re-glued because it started to shrink and pull away from the concave surfaces).

Inside and out, it was a very special car. I'm reminded of it now whenever I see the newer cars which have gone back to this 'SEC' style grille, and I love that the new cars still have that same familiar AMG snarl (well, the V8 models, anyway). I love the way these sound, and this car, with it's manual transmission and full AMG/SEC body kit, is as special as any AMG ever made. And no one knows it exists...

Awedgar > maximum_sarge 09/08/2013 at 12:35

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Ok you got me. You win.

Benzed92 > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 12:37

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Unless it was an '01, my dad had one and was a POS mechanically. Still an amazing car, when it worked.

Built BMW Tough > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 12:48

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<3

JGrabowMSt > Benzed92 09/08/2013 at 13:01

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Actually, the earlier SL models (mid to late 90's) were the more problematic ones. They came with a "biodegradable" wiring harness that was supposed to be somewhat more environmentally friendly (in a car with a V12, sure) and what happens is the harness will just eventually go bad. The replacement harness doesn't have this issue.

Currently the 600 I drive has a heating issue, where Merc needs to get off their lazy asses and pull the front end apart and check the hoses and thermostat, and the flow rate through the radiator. The water pump was just replaced in June, and the car has run warmer than average since then, but I'm under the impression that it's something basic, but given how the car is built, nothing is basic. There's a note at the local benz repair center for the car, I think it has about 4300 miles left, where they'll take a look at it again no charge. It's gone back twice already, and they just don't want to tear it apart because it's "within spec."

I'm looking to purchase the car from my boss next year and give it a good home. It sure needs it.

ptak appreciates old racecars > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 13:06

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I actually built the W124 AMG out of LEGO bricks when I was twelve...

Hmm, not my best work...

Benzed92 > JGrabowMSt 09/08/2013 at 13:07

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That's true about the SL models, the S600 my dad had had a leaky head gasket, needed a new 90,000 v ignition coil, the front air suspension stopped working completely, and the front left A-arm had a stress fracture. Dealer wanted $23,000 to fix it, car had 56k miles. Hopefully you can give it a good home soon.

Pdexter > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 13:10

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R129 SL 73 AMG just looks too awesome.

Awedgar > ptak appreciates old racecars 09/08/2013 at 13:21

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Hahaha very nice. Although I think yours incorrectly has a 4 cyl engine..

Awedgar > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 13:23

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actually looks like a V6*

SkeeterMc > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 13:28

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Here's mine

maximum_sarge > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 13:31

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Ok you got me. You win.

In fairness, there was no way you could have known... which is what makes this one such a ringer.

I still remember how stoked I was the first time I saw that car. It was no Testarossa - despite costing about the same new - but it was still like having a 'wall poster car' right in front of me. For a kid in a small Michigan town, it was very cool stuff.

The Parts Guy > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 13:32

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You've forgotten the W124 Brabus E7.3 V12 based on the 500E.

"The Fastest kind of Understatement"

The Parts Guy > bobkustofawitshz 09/08/2013 at 13:36

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I was curious of current market prices and whether it's feasible to find one already imported (I don't think Mercedes back then ever bothered to bring it over here) Or figure out how much it would cost to bring one stateside and in LHD with a manual of course .

The Parts Guy > mDeepee 09/08/2013 at 13:36

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That was a thing? Damn.

Awedgar > maximum_sarge 09/08/2013 at 13:37

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Yeah I envy you. That is a proper badass car, in every sense of the word

Awedgar > The Parts Guy 09/08/2013 at 13:38

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Excellent one, you got me. I'm amazed that car has any cooling at all tho!

ptak appreciates old racecars > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 13:43

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And a transversally-mounted eight-cylinder on the roof...

JohnPlayerSpecial > ptak appreciates old racecars 09/08/2013 at 13:52

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Awesome. You included the ducktail spoiler too.

bliqbloq > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 13:58

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Im surprised you didn't mention that the 190E 3.2's came about when AMG ended up with a bunch of extra 3.2L sixes leftover after the Hammer conversions. So they stuck them in 190E's and created a lower end AMG car.

My favorite will always be the AMG Hammer 5.6L coupe. Followed by the SL73.

Supreme Kiwi Zorro > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 13:58

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Oi, you're forgetting the SL60 AMG R129, SL70 AMG R129, 450 SLC AMG C107, E50 AMG W210, 300CE 3.4 AMG W124, and SL500 AMG R129. These are other wicked old school AMG Mercedes-Benzes too.

Squabbler > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 14:02

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In before LT1ROCKS says these cars are all wack because they're slower than a '13 Accord in a straight line.

Matt White > Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. 09/08/2013 at 14:09

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good luck, brabus wont do it anymore. You would either have to find one now or do a custom job.

JGrabowMSt > Benzed92 09/08/2013 at 14:54

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Air suspension? Learn something new every day...The SL600 is hydraulic on all 4 corners, and something I hope I never have to work on.

I want to just do get the car back to factory condition. I'm not replacing the seats or anything, but it involves fixing the dash lights, replacing some plastic engine covers and getting some parts re-finished so the aluminum looks better. It's never really gotten lots of TLC, but it's a real heartbreaker of a car. Whenever my boss mentions selling it, I cringe. I know it's not perfect, but it gets driven, and that says a lot more about it than other cars. As long as I can afford it, I'll keep it on the road. When I can't, I'll find a place to store it until I can get it back on the road. I was never originally into foreign cars until this one, and I don't want to let it get away.

offroadkarter > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 15:03

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I keep seeing a 190E AMG 3.2 down the street from me every so often. I had a feeling it was an old AMG but I wasn't 100% sure. I have to get a pic of it now, its in really good shape

This is exactly what it looks like, looks killer

Awedgar > offroadkarter 09/08/2013 at 15:05

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Isnt this a w124 e class?

offroadkarter > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 15:07

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it came up when I googled "190E AMG 3.2", and it looks exactly like the one I keep seeing. I'm not a MB expert, especially the old ones, so...

asbsvc > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 15:17

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When Mercedes were cool...

Fuck, the new CLA actually has an illuminated "star". Jesus.

bobkustofawitshz > The Parts Guy 09/08/2013 at 15:40

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I'm almost certain they didn't. I'd guess at least $30K (based on the sole somewhat recent ad I found ), not including shipping & federalization, if applicable. And that's if you can find one with a manual.

It's bound to be an expensive proposition either way, but if lets say I won the lottery tomorrow, I'd track one down and do it, cost be damned.

Awedgar > asbsvc 09/08/2013 at 15:56

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agreed

NoblesseObligeZERO > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 16:12

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Im pretty sure the 73 took less than 5 seconds... the slr74 renntech r129 took 3.7 seconds.. im positive the AMG one was around that one considering they had the same mods

and you forgot there was a amazing one that was made just before Mercedes took over AMG the 500sl 6.0 AMG it had unique panels and spoiler that was the last of the "classic" AMGs before they changed their design direction... I own a r129 myself I've been looking for one but these are extremely hard to find.

AMC/Renauledge > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 16:42

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Every. Single. One. of those Benzes is hotter than the best current Benz (AMG or no) today. Except the G-Class.

Good grief, those things are all so stately, chiseled, elegant, and substantial. Modern Benzes don't do these things justice.

Full_Moto_Jacket > maximum_sarge 09/08/2013 at 16:52

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Never bring a knife to a Hammer fight.

Awedgar > AMC/Renauledge 09/08/2013 at 16:53

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Absolutely, they are so timeless

Ed H-B > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 17:29

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Forget the CLK Black, before it was the CLK DTM AMG, Nice....

nezuko > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 19:21

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I want that AMG estate in manual, which would complement my '09 R171 SLK55 perfectly. However then I'd want to swap the transmissions.

porschephile463 > Squabbler 09/08/2013 at 19:28

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I'm not sure that's strictly true. But even if it were who the F wants an accord....I wouldn't drive accord if it was faster than a Bugatti because its still an accord....

porschephile463 > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 19:32

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Any time the word wagon is in the same description as the acronym AMG its an great car. make it a manual and its a bucket list car...ok DeMuro we found your next car!

FrankenB5S4 > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 19:52

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I think it used a VW W12.

Mr-Clutch > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 20:26

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No, really no 500E what happened?

Awedgar > Mr-Clutch 09/08/2013 at 20:33

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Not an AMG!

Mr-Clutch > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 20:51

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I know, I thought I try.

Burner2202 > Awedgar 09/08/2013 at 21:06

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"AMG was not part of Mercedes-Benz when the 190e was first produced, but a separate racing and tuning company."
Buuut... They did release an "AMG Power Package" that was only available for the Euro spec 2.5l 16v and the Evo 1 that was only available in Euro markets. So its just an upgraded limited edition cosworth. And 2.5l ...

Pictures are of the two 190e 2.5l 16v that were tuned by Cosworth, then AMG. Top is Evo 1 bottom is the 2.5l that was only released in the European markets.

merc6point9 > bobkustofawitshz 09/08/2013 at 21:42

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What, no widebody?

merc6point9 > maximum_sarge 09/08/2013 at 21:56

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Yessssss. Gotta love the W126. I am fairly certain this was not the only widebody W126 AMG sedan, though maybe one of the only cars with such extensive engine, body, and suspension mods. Definitely no less special though because that's a pretty freaking spectacular car there.

maximum_sarge > merc6point9 09/08/2013 at 22:12

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I seem to recall something about there being a long wheelbase SEL wide body, but this beig the only short wheelbase model. I could be wrong though. It would be a shame if there weren't more, but they are as rare as hen's teeth, if there is more than one...

UncleWalty > maximum_sarge 09/08/2013 at 22:19

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Nice bolsters on those Recaros. Beefy.

maximum_sarge > Full_Moto_Jacket 09/08/2013 at 22:28

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I don't know where the spec sheets went for this car, but as I recall it had about the same peak power as the ensuing 6.0L Hammer, due to hotter cams, higher compression (this was originally a euro car, and ran best with octane boost added), and generally more extensive engine work. This car was heavier than the Hammer, but had a higher ratio rear end (original owner had a score to settle with his brother's modified Corvette). It also had much wider tires and a bit of a trick suspension (for the day). So you might say 'don't bring a Hammer to a Sledgehammer fight'... If this car had been given a name, that would have been fitting.

maximum_sarge > bliqbloq 09/08/2013 at 22:48

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I believe the Hammer designation was only given to the 6.0L conversions, which were based on the 5.6L factory engine.

Kylemaro > maximum_sarge 09/08/2013 at 22:51

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lol, to hell with all this merc shit, i just want me some of those ronal wheels

maximum_sarge > Kylemaro 09/08/2013 at 23:17

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Those... Are AMG Wheels. Bent one once. $1,500 for one wheel, in the 80's. 16x11" rear wheel, as I recall.

Doug DeMuro > SkeeterMc 09/09/2013 at 00:16

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BEAUTIFUL!!!

Saracen > Awedgar 09/09/2013 at 00:49

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Nope, heard of three of them. (C36, C55, SL73 AMG). In fact there used to be C36's and one C55 around these parts.

The S600 7.1 doesn't really surprise me. AMG is not against doing such one-off megabuck cars.

The only one that's really surprising is the 190E 3.2

Mockngbrd > Awedgar 09/09/2013 at 02:24

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The new cars might be all faster but these old ones are a heck of a lot cooler!

Faheem > Awedgar 09/09/2013 at 02:28

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I'll just leave this right here:

elfakkeroo > offroadkarter 09/09/2013 at 03:13

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offroadkarter's unfortunately mistaken. This is definitely a W124, not the 190.

elfakkeroo > asbsvc 09/09/2013 at 03:16

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I agree. The entire design language today, even for mainstream models, is now geared towards rap 'stars', footballers and the nouveau-riche.

How the mighty hammers have fallen... :/

offroadkarter > elfakkeroo 09/09/2013 at 03:19

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ill try to get a pic of it sometime and post it here

OliverTwist > Awedgar 09/09/2013 at 04:59

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I would like to mention a few more rare official Mercedes-AMG versions (as offered by Mercedes-Benz and AMG in the sales catalogue from 1993 onward rather than individual customer request):

W210 E55 4Matic AMG (only 19 produced with all-wheel-drive system from ML-Class)

W220 S63 and W215 CL63 with naturally aspirated 6.3-litre V12 motor putting out 444 horsepowers (26 units were produced for one month in 2001 in selected European and Asian markets). Twelve units of G63 with same V12 motor were built in 2002. This 6.3-litre motor was a bored out version of 5.8-litre V12.

W251 R63 4Matic AMG was produced for one year in a very limited quantity. The R-Class was ill-suited for the high performance motor and didn't sell well.

Squabbler > porschephile463 09/09/2013 at 05:40

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It's mostly true in this sense (acceleration times). Personally, I like Accords. They're nice cars, and I'm not mad at them. They do their job well.

But, shiiiiittttt....

afterace > Awedgar 09/09/2013 at 08:35

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Damn, I would drive the shit out of that 190.

DMcFlys > offroadkarter 09/09/2013 at 09:56

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This is an AMG 500E 6.2 and if it was just parked on the street.. your neighbor is the MAN.

These were known as a the HAMMER and go for 50k for a poorly documented, maybe fake example all the way up to 200k for the real deal.

Here is a pretty cool JAPANESE VID of one racing an NSX and RUF Porsche. In a drag, then an ALL OUR TRACK RACE IN THE WET. (photo of a beautiful coupe version below).

WATCH THIS TO SEE IT IN ACTION.

thirteenthfloorelevator > maximum_sarge 09/09/2013 at 10:41

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Bad. Ass. dear god, that thing is beautiful. Modern Mercs are nowhere near that looks wise.

505Turbeaux > Awedgar 09/09/2013 at 10:58

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Heard of them all, no C30 diesel on here? Available as a wagon, just no stick

kaybeesea > Awedgar 09/09/2013 at 11:04

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The C43/C55 "weight distribution" issue is moot. The 4.3l engine is exactly the same as the 5.4l M113 in the E55, except the displacement is different. In fact, it's probably slightly better with the missing alusil they bored out to create the 5.4l. Many C43 owners end up sourcing an engine from a crashed E55 and dumping it into their C43 for $1,500 or so.

Volvosaurus-Rex > maximum_sarge 09/09/2013 at 11:43

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There was one of these at a Supercar Saturdays event near Chicago.

ZeroOrDie - Powered By MZR > Awedgar 09/09/2013 at 11:45

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I like the 190E 3.2 AMG. I read a little bit up on it a while ago. Good stuff.

maximum_sarge > Volvosaurus-Rex 09/09/2013 at 12:05

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Do you recall what color and model it was (560SEL, 500SE ?). Was it an AMG or another tuner? It would be interesting to know (for the current owner, particularly) if there are others. It wouldn't surprise me if it was around Chicago - that was AMG USA headquarters back in the 80's... As likely to find interesting old AMGs there as south Florida.

offroadkarter > DMcFlys 09/09/2013 at 12:57

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i know for a fact its a four door though, I know its not a two door. If I see it again I'm just gonna stop and get a pic, I have to at this point

Volvosaurus-Rex > maximum_sarge 09/09/2013 at 14:01

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He had no badges on the car but claimed it to be an SEC AMG. I couldn't find anything on the Internet to justify the claim, but it was worth talking to the guy just to hear the story about what is probably the only car like it I will ever see. It has seen better days as there was some rust under the hood, but he is working through the restoration.

Volvosaurus-Rex > maximum_sarge 09/09/2013 at 14:01

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Picture of the car.

Volvosaurus-Rex > maximum_sarge 09/09/2013 at 14:11

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Attempt 2 for picture

maximum_sarge > Volvosaurus-Rex 09/09/2013 at 15:08

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That looks to be the stock US-market two door 560 SEC with a set of AMG wheels.

Note that it doesn't have the AMG bumpers, skirts, 0r the widebody kit. Also, it's not a four door, which is what makes the above car seriously rare (there may be dozens of widebody coupes, I'm not sure the number AMG made). It's a nice car, but the wheels are the only relatively rare part of it from what I can see...

Lenin > Awedgar 09/09/2013 at 15:20

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Needs more R63 AMG.

Volvosaurus-Rex > maximum_sarge 09/09/2013 at 15:37

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Keep in mind I am relying on my terrible memory, but I want to say it has the AMG engine that was shipped over from Europe in pieces or maybe the AMG upgrades were performed same as if they were on a production model, but in the aftermarket. I apologize for my lack of information but the story was definitely interesting.

merc6point9 > maximum_sarge 09/09/2013 at 19:59

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It seems we are both half right. It appears there was only one other known sedan widebody but it was last seen in a junk yard in Germany a couple of years ago. The widebody panels were removed from the car and apparently listed for sale on eBay a while back. From the pics it does not appear to be a long wheelbase, but hard to tell.

syaieya > 505Turbeaux 09/09/2013 at 20:09

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Old school kinda excludes it, but a good find. Possibly the only thing that made that generation acceptable was the amgs

merc6point9 > maximum_sarge 09/09/2013 at 20:13

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Hope you don't mind but I shared the info on your dad's old car with the serious pre-merger AMG lovers over at mercedes-amg-classic.com. There was some discussion about your dad's exact car in one of the threads over there but no one knew much about it except that there had been a blue metallic 5-speed 500 SE widebody. That really is a pretty exceptionally special car your friend's dad has there!

Kylemaro > maximum_sarge 09/09/2013 at 20:20

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they bear a striking resemblance to ronal r9's iirc or where they r15s

Kylemaro > Kylemaro 09/09/2013 at 20:21

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r9's

Kylemaro > maximum_sarge 09/09/2013 at 20:21

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and oh hey while im at it, do you know the size, bolt pattern and backspacing on them?