C-2A Greyhound Lands and Parks Aboard USS Truman

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 08/21/2013 at 10:55 • Filed to: Planelopnik

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The footage was filmed with a GoPro camera by Tailhook Production’s Matthew Clements aboard “ROMEO-G0LF03, a C-2A Greyhound from VRC-40 Detachment 4 (IV) assigned to Carrier Air Wing 3 (CVW-3). The aircraft performed an arrested landing onboard the USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75) which was underway in the Mediterranean Sea towards Suez.

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What I found particularly interesting about this video was observing the organization of the flight deck. Different jobs are denoted by the color of the shirts worn by the crew: Yellow are aircraft handlers, catapult and arresting crews, directors; Purple is fuel; Red is ordnance, etc. You can find a complete list of the colors and their duties !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! .

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Dukie - Jalopnik Emergency Management Asshole > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 11:07

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The Navy marshals weird. Also, the last marshaller was a woman. She was too dainty with her hand signals, IMO.

Wave Motion Gun > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 11:07

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Awesome video. The Greyhound was the only plane in which I ever managed to experience a carrier trap, so it holds a special place for me. Unfortunately, I didn't get to experience a launch, as the ship I was on returned to port while I was aboard.

Meatcoma > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 11:13

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Was there enough runway on the ship for it to take off?

ttyymmnn > Meatcoma 08/21/2013 at 11:25

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Absolutely. It can take off with a catapult launch in the same manner as any other carrier airplane. The C-2 Greyhound is the cargo variant of the E2-C Hawkeye radar plane.

Morgan Rock > Dukie - Jalopnik Emergency Management Asshole 08/21/2013 at 11:25

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She looked very... dancy.

ttyymmnn > Wave Motion Gun 08/21/2013 at 11:27

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That's still a hell of an experience. More than most of us can claim.

doodon2whls > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 11:31

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Aircraft Carriers: Jamming 15 tons of stuff into a 10 ton space since 1922.

Chteelers > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 11:45

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5:40 holy crap! That F18 looks like it's gonna land right in his lap.

fanoblack > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 12:38

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Is it faith? I thought planes landing on a carrier came into the trap with the throttle up in case anything went sideways they could power out and in effect do a touch and go. Maybe someone with more knowledge on the subject can confirm either way.

ttyymmnn > fanoblack 08/21/2013 at 12:41

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You are correct. Aircraft landing on the deck do so at full throttle so they can perform a go around if they miss the wires. This is called a " bolter " in carrier lingo.

Eike > fanoblack 08/21/2013 at 12:43

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Bearing in mind if things go wrong, they still have enough speed as they hit the cable to achieve vertical lift, a cut throttle is simple to rectify, even on the length of runway they have, whereas to land at full throttle, the cable has to do even more work, stopping a plane moving at x speed WITH throttle fully open. On balance, closed throttle is the common sense way to approach it.

Stang70Fastback > Dukie - Jalopnik Emergency Management Asshole 08/21/2013 at 12:44

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Yeah, I kind of figured that too, haha.

mrbungle > Meatcoma 08/21/2013 at 12:47

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Didn't you see Planes???

_Mécanicien > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 12:49

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As a marine engineer, that's a lot of people on deck just standing around...

ttyymmnn > _Mécanicien 08/21/2013 at 12:54

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It is. That struck me as well. I wonder if that is normal, or if there was training going on, or if certain people were awaiting the arrival of their specific planes. In spite of the crowds, though, things seem to be well ordered and as safe as it could be.

OneFastPuertoRican > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 12:58

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Maybe it was watching Top Gun too many times, but when I was in junior high, my dream was to work on a carrier flight deck.

That was until I met a Navy recruiter and told me how he saw a guy walk right into a Seahawk tail rotor. He then proceeded to tell me about what happens if the tow cable breaks.

So that ended that.

Icemanmaybeirunoutofthetalents > Dukie - Jalopnik Emergency Management Asshole 08/21/2013 at 12:59

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almost like a dancer.

ttyymmnn > OneFastPuertoRican 08/21/2013 at 13:06

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This can happen, too.

JohnnyWasASchoolBoy > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:07

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"Yellow are aircraft handlers, catapult and arresting crews, directors; Purple is fuel; Red is ordnance, etc. "

Most valuable are the Black shirts. When things are going really badly and you're super distracted, they're the flexible ones who can get their head between your legs to kiss your ass goodbye for you.

JimSlade > Icemanmaybeirunoutofthetalents 08/21/2013 at 13:10

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kinda reminded me of this person...

Jeb_Hoge > OneFastPuertoRican 08/21/2013 at 13:10

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There's a video on YouTube of a landing cable snapping and whipping through a line of deck crew at knee level, but while the video says a number of them were airlifted out, at least you don't see any amputations. Plus one crewman manages to jump the line like a professional double-dutch jumper.

Jeb_Hoge > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:12

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"Look how close it gets to the end of the ship."

He wasn't that close. Looked like he was on track for a 3 or 4 wire. Good trap.

ttyymmnn > Jeb_Hoge 08/21/2013 at 13:16

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Hardigree's words, not mine (note line indicating Original Post). Damned fine landing, that was.

DiffikultD > _Mécanicien 08/21/2013 at 13:16

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A Nimitz-class carrier can have a crew upwards of 6,000. When they are launching and recovering aircraft, there are a LOT of people on deck. That appears to be the case, since we saw a launch and a recovery in the time it took the C-2A to land and get to its parking spot.

Check out some of the many documentaries about aircraft carriers. Most of them explain the choreography between the aircraft and all of the crew required to get them armed, fueled, on and off, etc.

Mark Out West > Eike 08/21/2013 at 13:17

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The Allison turboprop engine is constant speed, so you won't hear any spool-up or down. Power is managed through propeller blade angle and he/she landed with full power available. That change in pitch you hear after the trap is a flat pitch/zero thrust commanded when the power levers were retarded when instructed by the deck.

Nugget_Oz > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:18

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All the VRC 40 C-2As are new builds from the mid to late 80s.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:18

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edit

Jeb_Hoge > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:19

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I know. :) We must do our part to educate our content overlords.

Casey Henry > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:20

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I worked on the flight deck of the Enterprise, and I have an immense amount of respect for these C-2 jockeys. I will never forget watching one trap during really bad weather (massive swells) in the Indian Ocean one time and thinking that I was about to see a crash live and in person. We hadn't done any other flight ops for days because the weather was so bad. The COD (carrier onboard delivery—it's what we call the C-2) had been scheduled to come aboard for a couple of days, but it kept getting cancelled because of the weather.

Finally we were leaving the operational area, and it was their last chance to make it onboard. They must have been waved off three or four times because the timing was off between the heave of the ship and the aircraft reaching the flight deck. I think it was on the third attempt when the deck heaved up just as the COD was coming up on the stern, and I vividly remember the sinking feeling in my stomach as I was certain the deck was going to slam right into the bottom of the aircraft. It didn't (barely), and the pilot brought it safely (yet firmly) aboard on the next pass. That was the first time it really hit home for me just how closely these carrier aviators cheat death on a daily basis.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:21

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Not so much faith, but the positioning of the four arrestor cables. The goal is to grab the number three wire (but any will do)

The C-130 test landings on the Forrestal were more impressive IMHO

TakeABreathOut > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:24

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This is cool. Thanks for posting.

So what's more challenging: landing a dual-prop plane or a jet fighter?

ttyymmnn > TakeABreathOut 08/21/2013 at 13:28

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I'm no pilot, but I would imagine landing the jet would be harder since the landing speed would be much higher. That high, straight wing can be flown at much lower speeds.

Kaufmania: Mark Webber's Stunt Double > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:28

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nuf said

ttyymmnn > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 08/21/2013 at 13:28

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Like I told somebody else, those aren't my words, those are Hardigree's. I don't see how anybody could land on faith. I'd need a hell of a lot more than that.

Hello I'm Justin > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:29

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I really hope the person in yellow at 5:00 is a female because those are some pretty feminine movements...

ttyymmnn > Hello I'm Justin 08/21/2013 at 13:30

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I think it is. I had the same thought.

Kaufmania: Mark Webber's Stunt Double > doodon2whls 08/21/2013 at 13:30

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damn right

ttyymmnn > Nugget_Oz 08/21/2013 at 13:31

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Hardigree's words, not mine. But it's good to know.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:35

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Yeah, I saw your story was nested in his post so I guess the reply was to him.

In this case, faith comes in the form of four 1 3/8" wide cables designed to withstand up to 47.5 million foot-pounds (Wiki)

raitchison > Hello I'm Justin 08/21/2013 at 13:37

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Shape looked female.

Otter > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:38

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Holy schmikey!

ttyymmnn > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 08/21/2013 at 13:39

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I'm getting lots of replies from people thinking they are replying to the first paragraph. I'm pleased that they bumped my entire post, but I wish the line between his words and mine were clearer. I've been an airplane nut all my life, and never would have used those words myself.

doodon2whls > TakeABreathOut 08/21/2013 at 13:40

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Landing any fixed-wing aircraft on the equivalent of a postage stamp floating in a big pool is very difficult and commands an incredible amount of concentration from what I am told.

Operations allowing, the carriers can steam into the wind to help the landing/launching aircraft maintain/gain airspeed more quickly, but still... Shiver... I always thought that Naval Aviators have those bulky flight crew bags to carry their 'attachments' because flying with them in your lap could be problematic.

Hello I'm Justin > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:45

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Did I just watch somebody die?!?!

eloise > _Mécanicien 08/21/2013 at 13:46

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everyone is there for a reason. I did two cruises and 4 dets on two different carriers. each squadron has their own plane captains (PC) brown, troubleshooters AT/AE/AD (green), ordnance AO (red) out there. combine that with ships company (Yellow- directors and parkers QA / Safety (white) and they all have their place. Not everyone is allowed topside (flightdeck) and not everyone is up there just to lollygag. The flight deck captain has a lockdown on who's up there and if he doesn't want you up there, you'll definitely know that you aren't welcomed.

Yarks > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:47

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Well..that is the worst thing I've seen on the internets this month.

ttyymmnn > Hello I'm Justin 08/21/2013 at 13:49

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No, he survived. Apparently, his uniform gear caught on a pitot tube in the inlet. Parts of his gear and/or stuff in his pockets got sucked into the engine and FOD'ed it, which explains the fireworks coming out of the exhaust. He was banged up, but survived.

ttyymmnn > Yarks 08/21/2013 at 13:49

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Scary, but he survived.

Hello I'm Justin > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:51

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Thank god. Felt like I needed to be de-neuralized after watching that.

ttyymmnn > Hello I'm Justin 08/21/2013 at 13:52

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I just noticed that the audio says, "Miraculously, the crewman survived, with minor injuries." I had seen it many times before, and didn't bother to listen before I posted it.

Hello I'm Justin > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 13:54

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Oh I missed the audio. Have the speakers turned down at work.

DadsChevy > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 14:02

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I worked with the guy who signals the pilot to shut down in that video. He had a bunch of great stories, including falling off the carrier in the middle of the night.

OttoMaddox > _Mécanicien 08/21/2013 at 14:14

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As a former carrier sailor, I can tell you that if you don't have a reason to be on the flight deck during flight ops you are to stay off it. You're not even allowed on the catwalks along the edges of the deck if you have no business there. If the air boss spots you from his perch on the island he'll get on the loudspeaker and tell you to get your ass below RIGHT NOW!

Non-flight deck personnel have a hard time going outside for fresh air and sunshine because flight ops are usually constant. One of the few places you could go is on the 09 level of the island, known as "Vultures Row". That's nine decks to climb up. I made it a point to go up there during lunch if time allowed and after work to see the sunset when I started suffering the effects of not seeing the sun. Yes, submariners never see the sun and they are weird.

Russ > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 14:22

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In early 1962 while aboard the USS Antietam CV 36 in the Gulf of Mexico, I watched as an F9F Panther doing touch and goes landed and had its rear fuselage torn off by the tail hook. The aircraft went off the flight deck and almost immediately submerged although the pilot ejected. The ship went into a very fast hard maneuver to move the aft end away from the sinking aircraft while the rescue team launched a boat to attempt to save the aviator. I could not see him but I was later told his chute filled with water and pulled him under.

aismo > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 14:27

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Watch the PBS show Carrier. Free to view (great PBS app, seriously). Its a damn good show but also conveys a lot of the neat things we never see on carriers.

aismo > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 14:29

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The system behind those wires is pretty insane. The full apparatus is enormous and powerful... and it works on relatively old technology thats very sound. I've seen them a couple times and I'd have enough faith just seeing them operate once.

Foo2rama > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 14:30

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Maybe a navel aviator can answer these questions.

1. Is it me or did the Carrier start a turn to the left right before the COD landed?

2.I thought Carriers normally operated with other ships for support and fleet defense under LOS. I've never seen a Carrier apparently all by itself.

3.While under Flight OPS I thought carrier operated with at least one Destroyer located back and to the right and a Helo up in the are in case of an accident for SAR.

BlkBullitt > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 14:31

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I did the first 3 deployments on the ol HST and I have gotten to fly to the boat and experience and trap and I also flew off the boat after my 5 year tour so I got to experience the launch as well. It's a once in a lifetime experience for sure. I have a buddy on there right now. She's a good ship. Navy the best 8 years of my life.

brellnob > Hello I'm Justin 08/21/2013 at 14:36

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No, he survived.

brellnob > Hello I'm Justin 08/21/2013 at 14:37

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Why does it matter?

MauritiusMauritia > Dukie - Jalopnik Emergency Management Asshole 08/21/2013 at 14:52

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Also notice the rest posturing, that's what gave it away to me too. Slight hip angle and folded arms.

Dukie - Jalopnik Emergency Management Asshole > MauritiusMauritia 08/21/2013 at 15:06

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I thought she was going to have the pilot cycle the flight controls for a minute, as we used to do that on the A-10 (right arm at a 90* with a fist, resting in the left hand to simulate the stick) when we went without comms.

Hello I'm Justin > brellnob 08/21/2013 at 15:18

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I guess it doesn't? I was kind of just making a funny, but I guess you wanted to take it straight to serious town.

Hello I'm Justin > brellnob 08/21/2013 at 15:27

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Thank you, but somebody already answered me in case you can't read.

the7thearlofgrey > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 15:39

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I've done that , that's flying with strateegeery but this here flight

suit is squeezing the livin bejeezus out of my balls!!!!!!!!!!!!!

haugr > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 15:42

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But could he/she land in Top Gun for NES?

InsertBullets > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 08/21/2013 at 15:46

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It took off too.

yurikaze > Hello I'm Justin 08/21/2013 at 15:53

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My dad was on that ship (as part of the EA-6B squadron) when that happened.

He said the guy who got sucked in talked really loud for days afterwards...

Kevin Riley > Hello I'm Justin 08/21/2013 at 16:48

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No you didn't.

Eike > Mark Out West 08/21/2013 at 18:40

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Cue a man in the know. Thanks :) So what about fixed blade/jet(s)? Do they land at full/partial throttle?

_Mécanicien > OttoMaddox 08/21/2013 at 18:53

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On a (much) smaller scale, I do also have to make an effort to go out and soak up the sun. You can easily just work/eat/sleep for several without going outside.
(I'm a civilian in the merchant marine, lightyears from you guys do)

Thanks for the info.

_Mécanicien > eloise 08/21/2013 at 18:56

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No fishing? No sunday BBQs? No afternoon naps in the sun?
We're living the easy life in the merchant marine! Thanks for the input.

OttoMaddox > Foo2rama 08/21/2013 at 20:17

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1. It may have but I doubt it. That might have been distortion caused by the winde angle lens.

2. From wikipedia: "A carrier strike group (CSG) is an operational formation of the United States Navy . It is composed of roughly 7,500 personnel, an aircraft carrier , at least one cruiser , a destroyer squadron of at least two destroyers and/or frigates , [1] and a carrier air wing of 65 to 70 aircraft. A carrier strike group also, on occasion, includes submarines , attached logistics ships and a supply ship. The carrier strike group commander operationally reports to the commander of the numbered fleet who is operationally responsible for the area of waters the carrier strike group is operating in."

The carrier strike group is dispersed over a wide area-I seem to remember it being a 120 mile radius putting all the other ships over the horizon most of the time. Modern weapons and radar make this possible of course. If you see a modern photo of a carrier strike group in close formation it was a photo op.

3. They used to years ago, and they may have a SAR helo up during a mass launch and recovery of aircraft, but they wouldn't necessarily put one up for a single aircraft landing. Reason being, helos have more fatal accidents than fixed wing aircraft. The helos are parked right in front of the island, with the SAR crew on alert to take off at a moment's notice to recover the pilots that punched out when they realized that they were going to crash.

The carrier itself can stop pretty quickly then turn back and launch a motor whaleboat to pick up the downed airmen so no destroyer is needed on station.

Mark Out West > Eike 08/21/2013 at 21:54

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Yes, until a good trap is assured. Besides being low on power and slow, the plane is trimmed for landing and you need to madly trim nose-down to keep from over-rotating on the bolter. The S-3, with its underslung engines even had "bolter auto-trim" which ran the nose-down trim if you had the stick full-forward with the gear/flaps down.

Buick Mackane > Hello I'm Justin 08/21/2013 at 22:33

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Actually, that US Navy deckhand escaped injury and is alive and well. His helmet/headset was sucked off and injested by the jet engine but his vest caught on a hook inside the intake and he did not contact the fan blades.

HellPhish89 > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 08/21/2013 at 22:40

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theres a reason they land at full power ;)

JaY_VaSq > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 22:44

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I have catapulted off on one of these and it pretty much feels like a roller coaster. Scariest part is waiting to launch and the plane goes full power and starts shaking, you'd think you were gonna crash. Scared me to death. FLY NAVY!

HellPhish89 > OneFastPuertoRican 08/21/2013 at 22:44

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being in the military is dangerous :shrugs:

Buick Mackane > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 22:49

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I was rated as an AW (Anti-Submarine Warfare Equipment Operator) while in the US Navy. I got to fly the Grumman S-2 Tracker, a piston powered, dual propeller plane and also the S3A Viking, a twin GE Turbfan powered sub hunter. Later, I became a crewmember aboard the P3C Orion anti-submarine patrol plane.

ronmancvu > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 22:50

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According to the original, unedited video:
"On February 20th of 1991, aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, Petty Officer JD Bridges is sucked into a jet engine of an A6 intruder. One of the things that saves him is his helmet."

deanmachine14 > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 22:51

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It's surprising how big the deck actually looks once the plane's landed.

Charles Moseley > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 22:54

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Consider this: the HST is bigger than the carriers the aircraft had to land on when it was new!

vmaxnc > Hello I'm Justin 08/21/2013 at 22:57

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I just toured the USAF museum in Dayton, OH, and the subject of that A6 ingestion came up. I had to find that same video to show my buddy that it does happen. I thought I remembered that the guy was shot out the back until I saw the video again. Obviously he would not have survived that.

As for the landing being faith; not a chance. Faith is belief in something for which there is no proof. This has been done many thousands of times. And it takes brass ones to land on a moving ship, no matter what is being flown, or how many times it has been done. Seemed like a soft landing as well.

Gearhead's Garage > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 22:59

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Have faith, but pin the throttles anyway.

ttyymmnn > Buick Mackane 08/21/2013 at 23:00

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Fighters are cool and all, but those are three of my favorite planes. They're putting turboprops on those old Trackers and still flying them.

vmaxnc > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 23:01

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My understanding is that go to full throttle once they hit the deck, not before. That's what the plane in the video did, and in every video I can remember watching previously.

vmaxnc > Russ 08/21/2013 at 23:04

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Why would his chute drag him down? Even filled with water it's no heavier than all the other water around it.

ttyymmnn > vmaxnc 08/21/2013 at 23:12

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I believe you are correct.

dave.iuliano > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 23:15

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I think the jet would have an easy time with a bolter if needed. Think that Greyhound would look like Doolittle's B-25 dropping off the deck of the Hornet... a lot of people holding their breath.

Alex Gonzalez > OneFastPuertoRican 08/21/2013 at 23:40

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You cannot walk into a Seahawk tailrotor simply because it sits pretty high up. This person was either a Giant or was trying to climb the tail. Certainly lacked SA.

Alex Gonzalez > ttyymmnn 08/21/2013 at 23:43

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WOW a turbo Tracker, that is pretty cool! They have also put turbines on DC-3s, but I still like the sound of the radials better on a DC-3.

NYSS > Buick Mackane 08/22/2013 at 00:02

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good stuff! thank you for your service!

grubbalicious > ttyymmnn 08/22/2013 at 00:04

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You can see why flyboys coming back from the war looked on standard automotive society with glassy-eyed apathy and started hotrodding and driving stripped down motorcycles. This business is too much for my weak heart. :::salute:::

Shrikeker > TakeABreathOut 08/22/2013 at 00:05

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I know a guy who flies E-2/C-2 (same plane, different equipment) and they told me that when landing one on a carrier, they cannot be off by more than 2 feet to each side. Any more and they might hit something or someone. F/A-18s have a much shorter wingspan (44ft compared to the E-2/C-2's 80ft) so jets can afford to be less accurate. The other element would be the plane's landing speed. I do not know how fast any of them have to be going, and a google search reveals nothing. However, the E-2/C-2 have a higher landing weight so I figure they have to be going roughly the same landing speed. Again, I have no confirmation on that and may be wrong. But given everything, I'd say the E-2/C-2s are harder to land.

grubbalicious > ttyymmnn 08/22/2013 at 00:06

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when I first saw this I was horrified. It's sort of funny how the guy didn't die.

matty-g > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 08/22/2013 at 01:51

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I went for many rides in 130s during my time in the Army. 4/5 of the jumps I made were out of them. They are really impressive aircraft, I rode them into field and rough landing strips a few times and a really short runway once.

Neufusion > ttyymmnn 08/22/2013 at 07:58

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I like how the guy puts his hand on the nose of the fighter jet like it's not gonna go anywhere.

Justin is driven > Buick Mackane 08/22/2013 at 11:12

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Were you ever stationed at North Island in San Diego? As a kid I remember the S3's turn to final over the marina where my dad lived. They always made this weird WOOOP noise when they bumped the throttle.

Foo2rama > OttoMaddox 08/22/2013 at 13:45

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Thanks!

I understand #2 I just thought that not all ships would appear over the horizon...

Buick Mackane > Justin is driven 08/22/2013 at 20:35

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Most of the S3 aircrew referred to the S3 as the "Hoover", it made a noise like a vacuum cleaner when it flew by. We even had "Hoover" patches on our flight suits.