"hakosuka" (hakosuka)
08/14/2013 at 11:46 • Filed to: None
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"hakosuka" (hakosuka)
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He did (indirectly) give us this masterpiece. The actual Le Mans-winning, 4-rotor 787B. From the Monterey Historic Races, 2010. They took it around the track, and it is –by far– the loudest car I've ever encountered.
RMudkips
> hakosuka
08/14/2013 at 11:48 |
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This is also the best 787B livery.
Mikeado
> hakosuka
08/14/2013 at 12:04 |
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I just LOVE the 787B! It sounds like an F1 car trying to clear its throat. The lumpy idle is strangely satisfying as well.
davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> hakosuka
08/14/2013 at 12:04 |
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Yeah, let's be honest about the guy's past, but not condemn everything he ever created.
See: the VW Beetle, every Porsche
"Although Porsche joined the Nazi party on his own free will in 1937[citation needed], he did not have any "blood on his hands." Even so, Volkswagen, under Ferdinand Porsche, profited from forced and slave labor."
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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
08/14/2013 at 12:06 |
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"Porsche developed a relatively "amicable" relationship with Adolf Hitler, ever since the firm became involved in military projects. In fact, historical evidence points out that Porsche's firm was probably Hitler's favourite. Porsche readily and eagerly worked for the regime and designed the most effective tanks used in World War II, which effectively undermines any attempts to portray the Porsche family as having a pacifist outlook. Some accounts have Porsche assisting a Jewish employee to escape Germany. Those accounts are interesting because while there is a grain of truth to them, though they play up Porsche's supposed independence from the Reich they obscure the important role of that Jewish "employee", who was actually Adolf Rosenberger. It's quite likely that Porsche GmbH would not have existed were it not for Rosenberger, who was Porsche's partner and financial backer, not his employee. Despite Rosenberger's contribution to the development of German automobiles and German auto racing when Hitler came to power in Germany, Rosenberger, a Jew, was arrested for "Rassenschande" (racial crimes), and imprisoned at KZ Schloss Kislau near Karlsruhe. He was released, supposedly due to unconfirmed efforts on his behalf by Porsche, but he was forced to leave Germany immediately. While in France, Rosenberger represented Porsche GmbH's business interests."
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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
08/14/2013 at 12:07 |
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Full disclosure: I'm of 100% German descent, and my dad owned two Porsches when he was younger.
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hakosuka
> Mikeado
08/14/2013 at 12:26 |
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That idle! It's a magical arrhythmic song.
Casper
> hakosuka
08/14/2013 at 12:40 |
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I don't understand how his supporting the Nazis was such a surprise. Most of the worst things the Nazis did were idea imported from the American Progressives at the turn of the century and as such consider "ideas of the future". They provided the blue prints for the Eugenics beliefs, political radicalism, etc. At the time, the US was largely supporting the Nazis as was most of the world. Hollywood was working with them, most of the car makers had involvement with them, American politicians were on board, and almost all the academics of the time were singing their praises. It wasn't until part way through WWII that everyone really got on the anti-Nazi train, and not until the end of the war and details of their extremism really came to light that the rest changed their minds.
People like to think things are black and white, good and evil. Most of the time people don't realize which is which until after the fact. Hitler was a great salesman, it took the world a while to realize what he was doing as is the case with most evil people. Pol Pot was the same story, he was European taught history and literature professor who was going to enlighten the world about the benefits of Communism... and killed 1/3 of the entire population of Cambodia.
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hakosuka
> Casper
08/14/2013 at 13:37 |
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"Hollywood was working with them, most of the car makers had involvement with them, American politicians were on board, and almost all the academics of the time were singing their praises."
Citations needed.
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Casper
> hakosuka
08/14/2013 at 14:11 |
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It would be more correct to say major academic institutions, since there wouldn't be reference to enough individual academics personal opinions, however, at the time there was little to no resistance which can be inferred as at least a lack of opposition.
It has been years since I was in history, but let me see what I can find that isn't behind a pay wall. I can't remember which books specifically we covered when discussing the post WWII efforts to hide prior support, but I'll see if I still have one on the shelf.
http://hnn.us/articles/1796.…
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/books/complici…
http://ideas.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/ame…