It Is Illegal to Wash Your Car In Your Driveway In New York

"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
12/17/2013 at 18:03 • Filed to: Crimes

Picture this: you are washing a car that you just bought on your own driveway, in front of your own home, on a nice Saturday morning. Then the cops write you a ticket for it.

Impossible? Not in beautiful Garden City, New York, where the police consider anywhere that can be seen by the public as a "public place". No big deal, right? Wrong. Apparently, there is a city ordinance stating that no one can clean furniture (beating out a dirty rug, hosing off your crusty couch) OR VEHICLES in a public place. And yes, they will give you a citation for it.

One of Garden City's Finest rolled up to this gentleman's house and told them that one of their neighbors called the police station to report this criminal activity. Since the "public" now apparently owns all places seen from the street, he proceeds to instruct him never to wash his vehicle in his own driveway again. If he does, tickets will rain from the heavens and the fines will flow.

Just FYI: it's legal for a woman to walk topless on the streets of NYC.

DISCUSSION (100)

area man > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:06

To be fair, Garden City is out on Long Island and the last thing we need is more toxic shit being washed into the ocean.

Gamecat235 > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:06

Can they wash the car while topless? What if the car is topless as well?

Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:07

Can always move it into a garage, or set up a garage to wash the car.

I understand the owners frustration though.

Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT > area man
12/17/2013 at 18:08

It seems they are more concerned about the sight, not so much the toxic.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Gamecat235
12/17/2013 at 18:08

For science!

PatBateman > area man
12/17/2013 at 18:08

No no!! That's not what the law says. Different issue altogether. I agree with you, but even if you use WATER ONLY to wash your car, get ready for court.

PatBateman > Gamecat235
12/17/2013 at 18:09

TOPLESS CAR WASHES IN NYC!!!

For charity, of course.

Klaus Schmoll > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:09

It's been the same in Germany for ages. To be allowed to wash a car you need to be at a place that separates oily residue from the water. So unless you have a sealed surface with an oil separator, there's no washy washy in your driveway!

HammerheadFistpunch > Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT
12/17/2013 at 18:09

put up a curtain....or a giant bouncy castle, or a bunch of inflatable things!

PatBateman > Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT
12/17/2013 at 18:10

So you're going to put your car in your garage, close the garage door, and then wash your car?

Please try this and let me know how it works.

PatBateman > Klaus Schmoll
12/17/2013 at 18:11

Different issue. They don't care about the run off. You just can't do it where anyone else can see you do it.

Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:12

Don't have to close the door. Put up a curtain. Keep the car out of the sight of the public.

Or go and pay at a public wash where you will have no issue at all

PatBateman > Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT
12/17/2013 at 18:13

Could the public see you wash your car at a public car wash?

For Sweden > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:13

This isn't what Reagan meant when he said the scariest words were, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help," but it applies in this situation.

Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:14

Would it not be legal at a place designated for washing cars?

Also those places are usually garages not facing the road so the public would not see

PatBateman > Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT
12/17/2013 at 18:17

The law states that it is illegal to wash your car in a public place, and the police interpret this as anywhere seen by the public. And I don't know about where you live, but when I pass a car wash, I see cars being washed. And that, according to Garden City, is illegal.

Klaus Schmoll > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:20

Kinja'd!!!

To many sexy car washes?

xxstich666xx > area man
12/17/2013 at 18:20

It has to do with the aquifer under LI. Mechanics shops can no longer have drains inside for fear of contaminated runoff.

Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:20

Maybe they are hidden from public view in that area for that reason?

Or since it is a car wash it is exempt from it?

And you aren't restricted to stay in one town, you can drive 5 minutes and encounter another town with no regulation stating you can't wash your car in public.

And the car washes around here are either off the road in a way where it isn't seen by people passing by.

PatBateman > Klaus Schmoll
12/17/2013 at 18:21

My friend, there is no such thing as too many sexy car washes.

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:22

Hey, I don't have a problem with that last one.

PatBateman > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
12/17/2013 at 18:23

It would be SEXIST to have a problem with that. :)

roflcopter > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:23

Hold up, everyone commenting seems to be missing the actual point here... WHO IN THE HELL FINDS SOMEONE WASHING THEIR CAR OFFENSIVE???

I just don't get why this law/ordinance/whatever was even put into place.

Mathias Rios > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:27

The cop sounds like a mafia don. "You don't want this problem, you don't want the cops all up here". This is ridiculous and I would have a nice conversation with the neighbor and nail them for every little thing they do while having that set of codes in my back pocket to make sure they don't break any of them. Wow.

PatBateman > roflcopter
12/17/2013 at 18:27

In reality, the police officer seems to be misinterpreting the law (in my admittedly untrained eye). But, when the Po-Po start pushing their weight around and threaten to write you a ticket for it, it's basically the rule until otherwise notified from someone with a higher pay grade.

PatBateman > Mathias Rios
12/17/2013 at 18:32

You know, I thought about this. What would I do if this happened to me? My conclusion: I would purposefully get a ticket, and then spend every free minute I had driving the city streets looking for someone washing their car "in public". I would basically make sure that every other call the police would run on was a "washing car in public" incident.

This would occur until my court date, when the judge would laugh in the police officer's face and dismiss my case.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:32

I wonder if the interpretation of "seen by the public makes it public" is from a ruling on indecent exposure or the like.. and because that happened it meant all by-laws had to abide by the same definition of "public".

Everyone on youtube seems to be blaming the cop, but he's probably just as annoyed that he has to get involved in a weak neighbour shitfight.

Maybe the owners should petition for a by-law to allow for washing cars on lawns? or maybe just bribe the neighbour with a case of beer to not be an uptight dickhole.

PatBateman > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard
12/17/2013 at 18:35

It's most likely a case of legal misinterpretation. I would either be vindictive and make sure everyone in the city gets the same ticket, or immediately call my city counsel rep to get an official ruling from the police chief.

jariten1781 > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:36

Cop misinterpreted the code. It stated 'public place' not 'public view' (ie, they don't want people washing their cars at the local park, which coincidentally I did all the time in college). If they got a ticket they'd have won, though it would be a bigger waste of time for everyone involved than it already was.

The kids were being little turds though which often ends poorly when dealing with cops. Unwise children.

Mathias Rios > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:37

Your idea is even better.

Every cop in town would be responding to car washing calls.

Textured Soy Protein > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:40

This looks like a perfect opportunity to file a lawsuit against the police department for a wrongful ticket. Any "we only get paid IF YOU WIN!" lawyer should be able to handle this.

PatBateman > jariten1781
12/17/2013 at 18:41

I agree with all of your statements. The cop got a little pushy too, but that's to be expected when you mouth off to a police officer. The police are not there to argue law; they simply tell you what it is (or at least they're supposed to).

Call city counsel rep, raise hell, police chief will most likely correct the officers.

area man > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:46

I'm sure they are assholes about it. Water only should be no problem!

Stevo777 > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 18:51

Yes, the law is stupid. No, like the title suggests on Youtube, there is NO police harassment. The officer seemed like a nice guy, following orders from his lieutenant. To be honest it was almost his job on the line if he let the guys go. Yes, I would have been very upset to be receiving that ticket and immediately after the police left I would politely knock on all my neighbors houses respectively and ask if they have any kind of problem with me or friends working on, washing and even checking tire pressures on our cars. If I find the neighbor who has a problem I will (bitch slap them in the face) politely ask what he/she/or they have a problem with, big enough to call the police. Show them the citation I have received and go from there. But to be honest if I was the officer I would have given them a written warning, regardless what the lieutenant said. I could have went back and told my boss that I saw no evidence of them working on their cars.

PatBateman > Stevo777
12/17/2013 at 18:57

No, there is not any police harassment. He DOES get close to it when he says that if they give him a hard time, cops would be coming by the house frequently, but the guys videoing the incident were short with him to begin with.

It's a simple misinterpretation of the law, IMHO. A phone call to their respective city counsel rep should clear it up. If it doesn't, however, I would be driving the streets reporting every single person who is washing their car to the cops. Get enough people who are mad about it, the law will change.

langadamd > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 19:02

Kinja'd!!!

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 19:02

maybe that's what his letter was? The officer says that he got a call from his LT to come over there. Not that he took the call from dispatch.

I've re-watched what the Officer says a few times now and it seems that the law comes under "water violations" so it's still somewhat possible that the original intent of this law is to account for water run off, the water run-off would be leading to public stormwater drains that don't lead to a sanitation plant like household sewerage would.. though if that was the intention it should be made clearer.

That said, what I hear as water violations could be order violations with his thick accent.

JustWaitingForAMate > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 19:02

Anyone have a gif of bugs bunny cutting NY off the mainland?

Supreme Kiwi Zorro > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 19:07

We kiwis have strict environment laws and this is one of them. We have to go to an authorised car wash at a petrol bunker to wash our cars. Despite living on a private property, the law applies everywhere.

PatBateman > Supreme Kiwi Zorro
12/17/2013 at 19:10

They don't care about that. They do, however, care about washing cars in public places. Not run off.

Wacko > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 19:14

Now you go take a monster dump on the neighbor's car, and call the cops on Him once he cleans his car

PatBateman > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard
12/17/2013 at 19:15

Nope. Here's the statute:

178-3, Cleaning or washing of rugs, furniture, or vehicles.

No person shall wash or cause to be washed, clean or cause to be cleaned, beat or cause to be beaten any rugs, curtains, furniture, tapestry, clothing or other like articles upon any sidewalk, public street, highway or public place within the village, and no person shall wash or cause to be washed any motor vehicle or like conveyance upon any public street, highway or public place.

PatBateman > Wacko
12/17/2013 at 19:16

I LIKE THAT.

I'd probably use mud, though.

Wacko > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 19:19

That's not as satisfying

lucky's pepper > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 19:19

"A place to which the public or a substantial group of persons has access" - The definition of "public place" from the NY State law 10-125: Consumption of alcohol on streets. Based on that definition it seems the officer is misinterpreting the ordinance he sites.

The guy with the camera should try not being such a punk a**hole. Does he not think the local police will remember that attitude?

roflcopter > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 19:22

I personally believe that the officer is misinterpreting the law in this case, but as a further aside to the subject, the law enforcement personnel's job is only to enforce the law which would be to write the guy a ticket in this case, at which point it is the judicial branch's responsibility to interpret the laws and decide the punishment. Now with that in mind I would definitely challenge the ticket if I were to receive one on the fact that the law seem ambiguous in its definition of 'public'. I would posit that either the ticket should be waived or the law/ordinance be rewritten in a way that it makes it clean what I was doing was illegal at which point I would gladly pay the ticket.

PatBateman > lucky's pepper
12/17/2013 at 19:26

Agree with both points. It's pretty obvious that the police officer's boss (who sent this officer out to give this notice) has confused "public place" with "in public view". The sidewalk is a public place. The driveway is privately owned property.

And yeah, the "perps" were being little shitheads. No need for that.

PatBateman > roflcopter
12/17/2013 at 19:30

If I got a ticket, I would drive the streets constantly, looking for anyone else washing their car. I'd then call the cops to report it. And the police would be inundated with these calls, constantly pissing off more people when they show up with the same misinterpretation.

roflcopter > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 19:31

That's one way of handling it...

I could see them being okay with that since it's essentially free money to the police department though.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 19:44

I've looked further into the statutes. They don't define "Public Space" in that chapter, which possibly leaves it open to interpretation.. For example in CH170-1 relating to dumping of shopping carts in a public space they specifically define it as:

" PUBLIC PLACE

Includes a street, avenue, road, alley, lane, highway, boulevard, concourse, driveway, culvert, crosswalk, every class of road, square, place and municipal parking field used by or set aside for the general public"

Driveway is included in there, I'm not a lawyer so I'm not sure if the county can apply that definition for other chapters. If it's the case though then the guys could wash the car on their lawn under that definition.

Grindintosecond > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 19:52

Florida law says you can't hose off your boat in the harbor as the runoff is concidered waste water.....

Super Nintendo Chalmers > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 20:45

So are we also not responsible for paving our own driveways since it's "public"? How about taxes?

I'm not sure what upsets me more... the scam and lie that is "private property" - you really don't own it, you just rent it, OR ... the RAT neighbors who deserve to be [and this is not hyperbole] tarred and fucking feathered for calling gun wielding tax collectors in Costumes for the significant crime of removing dirt from your ride.

This fucking country is going in the wrong direction fast..

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 22:08

The best part of the video was those black bars on the side. That's a seriously bogus law though. Could you not tell the cop to get off your property without a warrant?

Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > PatBateman
12/17/2013 at 23:00

I actually do wash my cars inside the garage while using a pressure washer with a wide fan to do the rinsing. Works very well actually.

Mathias Rios > JustWaitingForAMate
12/18/2013 at 00:30

There was one posted on oppo a while back! I recommended it I think.

MMinSC > PatBateman
12/18/2013 at 07:33

I'm usually pro-LEO, but this guy is just being a douche. Fuck you Rozzer! I'll see you in Court.
My car. My property. No water restrictions? Yeah...see you in front of the Judge.

Misinterpretation > PatBateman
12/18/2013 at 17:08

Here is the full text:

http://www.ecode360.com/9148049?highli…

It did not say "public view" only "public place." Therefore the officer misinterpreted the code. If the car owners had been given a ticket, they could have easily fought it off it court. The LT should be required to take a law course. I don't see how a private driveway could fall under a "public place."

PatBateman > Misinterpretation
12/18/2013 at 18:28

Yeah, I posted the full wording in someone else's thread too.

It's a misinterpretation that I'm sure has already been handled by someone with a higher pay grade than the Lt. who sent the officers out. Although, it's damn funny that they actually read the law that way. If I were the guy who was approached, I would have gotten a good chuckle and then immediately driven to city hall and had a sit down with the mayor or police chief.

Hustle > Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT
12/22/2013 at 11:44

That's even more stupid than the law of washing cars. Did you even graduate from high school?

MatthewHokie03 > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:09

Unless those kids are running some sort of detailing shop at all hours in their driveway, that neighbor needs to be beat down in public in front of their kids.

DoctorNine > Super Nintendo Chalmers
12/23/2013 at 17:12

Tell us how you really feel though Ricky.

Ultrakill > HammerheadFistpunch
12/23/2013 at 17:13

Exactly what I was thinking. How many blow-up snowmans or santas will you have to buy to block your neighbor's view of you washing your own car in the driveway?

Beldrueger > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:16

In the neighbors defense, that is one ugly ass golf.

rhodesianman > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:17

Hahaha New York sucks, another reason I will never live there.

Chairman Kaga > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:18

It's been illegal here in Austin for months, but only because of the drought.

phydeaux > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard
12/23/2013 at 17:20

Driveway is mentioned in the definition of public place, but that driveway is not "set aside for the general public". It is located on private property, so while I'm not a lawyer, I'd interpret this to mean the driveway is also part of private property, and the neighbor hasn't a leg to stand on. Wash the car, but maybe also set up a block at the end of the drive to catch and debris that may be included in the runoff. Chalk it up to being environmentally conscious, if you want.

Galant Enthusiast > HammerheadFistpunch
12/23/2013 at 17:21

Make a curtain of sex toys. Its much less offensive than seeing someone washing a car.

fintail > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:23

To serve and protect. Earning that salary and pension, you brave hero.

And the overpaid public sector sucks who approved such a law should be dragged out of their no doubt fancy beds, at night, and hanged.

fintail > Supreme Kiwi Zorro
12/23/2013 at 17:24

But you live in a nannystate. Would people there rebel against anything?

yellowdatsun > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:25

....and people wonder why I hate New York so much. I'm also always amazed how people from oppressive places like this can think laws like this are "normal". Coming from the southwest people would go apeshit if they tried to pass laws like that here.

LTA > area man
12/23/2013 at 17:29

They should ban driving or parking or letting your car anywhere near rain too...

Toxic man

Shane Baker > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:29

Just my guess here: The guys in the video are typical Jalops; They've had bunches of cars sitting around in the past, probably in various states functionality, and as evidenced by the video, this isn't their first interaction with the cops regarding them. It sounds like some neighbor has had enough, and has decided to take the passive-aggressive route and call the cops about this infraction instead of the neighborly 'Hey, your working on cars in your front yard is driving my property values down and/or making the neighborhood look like crap, can you work on them in the garage?' conversation.

It sucks for these guys, cause I will guarantee that this is not the last interaction they're going to have about working on cars.

jsinger1085 > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:29

He got a ticket because his car is worth less than 100K and he lives in Garden City. Bunch of stuck up snotty rich pricks - I bet if you washed your car in hempstead the town over it would get stolen while you were in the process. Except the cops wouldnt show up bc they were too busy responding to car wash calls

Freakin Long Island for you

Chris > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:30

The Village of Garden City actually came out and said that they were in the right and there is no law. The law states you cannot wash your car on a public street. These people are allowed to wash their car in their driveway.

DartzIRL > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:30

That is one scumbag, busybody neighbour. That's all I'm thinking.

inProduction > lucky's pepper
12/23/2013 at 17:30

It would appear that the runoff from washing one's car would enter the public drains. I wonder how that would effect the interpretation of public space?

001110000011000000111000 > Chairman Kaga
12/23/2013 at 17:30

Same here in West Texas. I forgot what rain looks like.

Kinja'd!!!

The Biebster's got a P71 (Formerly not Justin Bieber) > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:30

For fucks sake. Is it that hard?

Kinja'd!!!

Prophet of hoon > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:30

that may be strange in the East, but lots of places in the West have that same kind of law (California being at the forefront).

Still, it sucks when your neighbors rat you out...

KinjaTheNinja > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:31

Just so everyone not in the NYC metro know… Garden City is a real shit :o: hole.

Chris > Textured Soy Protein
12/23/2013 at 17:31

Nobody got a ticket and the cops left. The village then apologized.

LTA > Klaus Schmoll
12/23/2013 at 17:32

Germans stop you from ruining the nature, americans stop you because... well washing cars is a hard job and no one wants to see that.

lalalalaaction > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:32

Does anyone else look at this car and wonder why they are washing it? The thing looks like it doesn't have paint on it.

TheGodDamnPope > lucky's pepper
12/23/2013 at 17:34

They'll probably remember getting spanked in court if they ever actually cite him for it, too.

kis_ev > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:36

According to the headline, it might not be illegal to wash your car in someone else's driveway in New York...or maybe wash someone else's car in your driveway in New York. It's fun to be a smartass.

dez > jsinger1085
12/23/2013 at 17:36

^^ This ^^ x 10.

Voice of C. Montgomery Burns > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:37

Next time wash your car topless.

TheGodDamnPope > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:37

If it were me, the conversation wouldn't have lasted nearly that long. I'd just tell the officer to cite me or leave.

Garyj800 > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:39

Thinks about this.......the officer had the city ordinance printed out, which means he was most likely sent there by his LT. like he says. He has other stuff going on besides worry about a car washer. One of the earlier poster said it's most likely a beef between this guy and another neighbor and instead of being adults the neighbors cry to the police to handle their issue.

Another thing to think about, why would a guy be washing his car and filming it with his iPhone? Because he new the police were going to get called because they were probably called out there before for the same thing. I find it hard to believe this is the first time they have been called out to this house for this.

Is it a stupid city ordinance? Yes, most city ordinances are. I'm a police officer in my town and I had to go to a business and tell them they were not allowed to have a spot light in the parking lot to promote their business. When the owner asked why he's not allowed to use a spot light even though he's been using it for months and the city does for it's functions the only thing I could tell him was to call city hall. The real reason I get sent out there was not because of the evil spot light, it was because the owner of the bar fired the boyfriend of a city commissioner's daughter, and the police dept got stuck in the middle. The commish called the chief and stuff rolled down hill. Did I have better things to that day yes, did I have to go there and deal with the stupidness of a spot light yeah, because I'm not getting in trouble for not listening to a direct order.

One other thing to ask yourself, are we seeing the whole video? We don't know what happened before the video was recorded or are we seeing the whole video or just the portion that the poster wants us to see

TheSpin > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:39

I have lived in several places where washing my car was not allowed but those were association rules, not legal issues. HOWEVER, it is a legal issue if the hose runs without a shutoff nozzle. We have some tight water regulations.

BigGatorChris > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:39

I feel safer.

Canut > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:44

This stupid rule brought to you by your friendly carwash association.

Angry Dorito > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:46

So if I wash my dishes with the blinds open, that's illegal?

StudyStudyStudy > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 17:46

That's a bit silly. Although I can kind of understand the whole in view of the public being a problem with more serious matters, like if your male neighbor decided to get his newspaper in the morning bottomless, I think the argument could be made that even though he is on private property it is in public view.

The washing your car thing is pretty darn silly.

I did like the cop though. Seemed very calm, kudos to him. Unfortunately it is their job to enforce the law until rewritten or adjusted. I am glad he actually came prepared with a written copy of the law instead of trying to come up with it off the top of his head.

Glad everything seemed to be resolved without any violence.

plainnottoasted > Super Nintendo Chalmers
12/23/2013 at 17:47

"going in the wrong direction fast.."

Ever heard of CC&R's?

I personally wouldn't live in a neighborhood that had them (or gates) , but they aren't a new thing. As a matter of fact, I bet that you'd find the majority of voters who live in these developments would consider themselves pro "private property rights"

Boss2452stolemylunchmoney > LTA
12/23/2013 at 17:54

Knowing New York, it's probably actually because washing your car yourself is stealing work from unions. That's union work, damnit, you're going to have to jump through some hoops to do it yourself.

OhSoStoked > lucky's pepper
12/23/2013 at 17:55

I'm with you on this one. You'll always get further along in an arguement with a cop if you are at calm, and explain things respectfully. I know it sucks, I know you want to tell the guy to stick it in his ass, but remember that 95% of the people he deals with want to argue and call him an asshole. When he hears you start bitching or being a smartass he tunes out and goes into auto-pilot dick mode. Just explain your point calmly, then get your win in the courtroom. That is if he even bothers to show up in court for a "car washing in public" ticket.

Bearded Bastard > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 18:03

I can see them getting this thrown out. public space this is not. I wonder what the rule would be if you are in an enclosed yard. like fenced, even a white picket fence with a tiny white picket gate you need to open and close to get onto your driveway.

the one thing i do know about is letting detrimental fluids drain into city drainage. but almost all car soaps are safe to flush. so even then. this whole thing is retarded. the neighbor must really really hate these guys

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Nick, Drives a Cobalt LT
12/23/2013 at 18:09

Um what? You wash your car in your garage? That must be most excellent...

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > PatBateman
12/23/2013 at 18:10

Wow. This is like one of those things you'd see in a movie as a joke...except this real. Makes me sick. What the fuck is wrong with people. How does a law like this originate. Created by a bunch of busybody good-for-nothings who literally get off on telling other people what to do.