More random jeep stuff

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
11/27/2013 at 15:29 • Filed to: Jeep

I recently drove a lot of jeeps, I even wrote a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , but I also got some good info on future Jeeps too from a prominent engineer at Jeep*

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Some of you wanted to know:

When is the diesel engine is coming to the wrangler:

Jeep Engineer: "its already in there, the 2.8"

Me: "okay, yeah, but in America"

JE: "I don't see any reason they couldn't put it [the 3.0 vm in the grand Cherokee] in, I guess its just a business case."

Me: "soon?"

JE: "I haven't seen any plans for it.

When will the wrangler get independent suspension?

JE: "I haven't heard any rumors along those lines, I haven't seen any drawings that hint at it."

What about replacements for the patriot and compas?

JE: "Those were just refreshed, expect their product cycle to live out a little longer."

What about the B segment jeep?

JE: "The patriot and Compass are bigger than the B segment, it wont replace them"

Me: "So is it basically a panda 4x4?"

JE: " I can tell you it looks nothing like the renders you see online for the Panda based Jeep."

Me: "That's a relief."

JE: "Yeah."

Me: "is it going to be a true Jeep?"

JE: "It may get a trail rated model, we are still setting targets for it."

BONUS: whats the expected take rates for the Trailhawk model of the cherokee?

JE: "about 20%"

So, there you go; don't hold your breath for a diesel. Though if the GC ecodiesel sales are strong and the Colorado diesel sell well it sounds like it wouldn't be a technical challenge to meet demand. Also, don't freak out Wrangler lovers, no Independant Wranglers on the drawing board, so if it does eventually happen, its going to be a long while off.

*They will remain nameless. Mostly because I don't think its all that important to know who they are.

DISCUSSION (15)

dinobot666 > HammerheadFistpunch
11/27/2013 at 15:32

A Wrangler wouldn't be a Wrangler if it had an independent suspension. I'm sure any of the diesel engines in the Fiat group would take quite a bit of work to meet US emissions and would probably be cost prohibitive.

It would be a great combo though.

HammerheadFistpunch > dinobot666
11/27/2013 at 15:42

The VM3.0 in the grand cherokee is the one they would use. Its just a matter of DOT/EPA testing.

CAR_IS_MI > HammerheadFistpunch
11/27/2013 at 15:42

" When is the diesel engine is coming to the wrangler:

Jeep Engineer: "its already in there, the 2.8"

Me: "okay, yeah, but in America"

JE: "I don't see any reason they couldn't, I guess its just a business case."

Me: "soon?"

JE: "I haven't seen any plans for it."

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CAR_IS_MI > HammerheadFistpunch
11/27/2013 at 15:45

Kinja'd!!!

Is this yours???????

CAR_IS_MI > CAR_IS_MI
11/27/2013 at 15:45

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HammerheadFistpunch > CAR_IS_MI
11/27/2013 at 15:45

They made it sound like, as an engineering challenge, there is nothing to it, but its just the will to do it. The domestics are playing it safe with diesel and its just the toes in the water phase right now with the diesel ram and GC. longs story short, if measurable market appears, it wouldn't take long to make it happen. After all, the exact same engine and trans in the ram would bolt up in the wrangler.

HammerheadFistpunch > CAR_IS_MI
11/27/2013 at 15:46

No, i just looked for independent suspension wrangler.

CAR_IS_MI > HammerheadFistpunch
11/27/2013 at 15:47

Yes but if they go on say ANY of the thousands of Jeep forms they would see there is a demand for it. I would be willing to trade my 14' in for a diesel (if it also cam with three pedals).

CAR_IS_MI > HammerheadFistpunch
11/27/2013 at 15:49

Ahh. I was going to say. 1) holly friggin lift, and 2) I see no front axle shafts.

HammerheadFistpunch > CAR_IS_MI
11/27/2013 at 15:49

Oh I made sure they understood there is a vocal demand for it. They [execs] want to see who will pony up the premium for a diesel, not just who really wants one.

HammerheadFistpunch > CAR_IS_MI
11/27/2013 at 15:50

They are there, just hidden by the lower control arms it looks like.

CAR_IS_MI > HammerheadFistpunch
11/27/2013 at 15:51

If they build it, they will come.

CAR_IS_MI > HammerheadFistpunch
11/27/2013 at 15:52

hrmm. then they are very meak and I would be surprised it they dont fail in 4wd trying to move those massive tires (which appear to be at least 37x14.5 if not 40x14.5)

HammerheadFistpunch > CAR_IS_MI
11/27/2013 at 15:52

You know thats not how execs brains work, more like: if you buy it, I will build it.

yeah but how do I buy it if...

"if you buy it....I will build it."

CAR_IS_MI > HammerheadFistpunch
11/27/2013 at 15:54

What kills me is that there is more of a demand for diesel in the wrangler crowd than there is in the GC crowd and yet the GC has diesel and the wrangler does not