So Oppo how do you..

"Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos" (NaijaFlavor) 11/08/2013 at 12:54 • Filed to: wat

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When you enter your car, and you turn it on, do you:

Change gears and then release the e brake

Or:

Release the e brake and change gears.

I do the first one. My brother does the opposite and I harass him for it because it seems so strange .

*Also I like this editor beta, probably the only thing I like on the update

Textured Soy Protein > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 12:57

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I release the e-brake first. In a stick shift, you'd be riding the clutch while you take the time to release the e-brake.

Don't ride the clutch.

njp1589 > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 12:58

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Generally it's E-Brake first and then gears... mainly because I have my foot on the brake pedal already.

DailyTurismo > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 12:59

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Errr...press the clutch and turn the ignition? Select 1st/reverse with manual shift knob and then release ebrake with your foot firmly on the brake. Release brake, full gas, sidestep clutch. Rinse and repeat.

Nibbles > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 12:59

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Parking brake first, always. Though it's usually already in gear before I start the vehicle

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 12:59

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Why use the e brake in an auto? Unless you're on some slope.

In a manual I depress the clutch, start it. Keep clutch depressed, apply the brakes, release parking brake, put it in gear, go.

nobody > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 12:59

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I usually put it in gear, then take the ebrake off.

Casper > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 12:59

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If it's an automatic, why would it matter? Most of the time on a physically positioned automatic selector with a lock I don't worry about the ebrake anyway. Now, in a manual I have a whole ritual I always follow that involves wiggling the stick and making sure everything's loose... but maybe that's a discussion for another time.

nippon > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 12:59

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Since my garage is mostly flat, and the parking lot where i park is too, i rarely use handbrake. I just leave it in first.
Now, in winter months i avoid using it because last year it already froze twice on me.

But, i do the first one. Press clutch(and brake), put it in gear if it already isn't, release the handbrake and off i go.

Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 11/08/2013 at 13:00

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driveway is at a steep angle

Hermann > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:00

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1) Sit into car
2) Step on the clutch
3) Change into neutral
4) Start engine
5) Release clutch
6) Point tires into direction I want to move (if needed)
7) Step on brake
8) Step on clutch
9) Put into gear
10) Release e-brake
11) Release clutch while removing foot from brake and moving onto accelerator
12) Go

Edit: Whoa, describing it makes it look a very long process.

THOMAS5 > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:01

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release e-brake then gears

Nibbles > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 11/08/2013 at 13:01

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Why use the e brake in an auto?

To keep stress off of the parking pawl. Ever had a vehicle "stuck" in park?

Victorious Secret > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:01

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Clutch, e-brake, gears.

My foot is on the brake anyways, I'm not rolling anywhere.

EL_ULY > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:01

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park brake :]

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > Nibbles 11/08/2013 at 13:03

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"Unless you're on some slope."

oldirtybootz > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:04

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Depress clutch, do the neutral wiggle, depress brakes, start car, disengage parking brake, then shift to reverse or 1st.

NinetyQ > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:04

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For my Grand Prix, which is automatic, starting procedure is like this: manually unlock door with key, open door, sit down, start engine, buckle seat belt, check gauges, listen to idle (if cold, let it sit a moment), then put in gear. No e-brake.

For my Audi, which is manual, starting procedure is like this: manually unlock door with key (which then activates the vacuum-powered locks for all four doors, trunk, and gas cap), open door, sit down, left foot puts clutch in while right foot is on brake, start engine, gear stick to neutral, let foot off clutch, buckle seat belt, check gauges, make sure all the warning lights are off, pray for reliability, clutch in, move gear stick to Reverse or 1st, depart. E-brake is currently non-functional due to broken cables, so I just leave it in gear as the primary method of holding it in place. That and not parking on too much of an incline.

Nibbles > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 11/08/2013 at 13:04

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Ninja edit? I swear that wasn't there when I posted.

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:04

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Well since my truck's an auto, here's my routine

1. Start engine

2. Seat belt

3. Headlights (I like to always have them on)

4. Turn on CB (though not always)

5. TUNES

6. Brake, out of park, and go.

Party-vi > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:05

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Right foot on brake, left foot to clutch-in; release e-brake. Keeping both feet on clutch/brake, shift into gear, let off brake and engage clutch and let the mountain of torque from the 4.0L Jeep engine carry you from a stop to around 10mph. Shift and you're on your way.

lonestranger > Textured Soy Protein 11/08/2013 at 13:05

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How would you be riding the clutch? Unless it's misadjusted, or it's too heavy for your weakling left leg to fully disengage it, there's no riding going on.

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > Nibbles 11/08/2013 at 13:05

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Nope. It was there the whole time.

Jayhawk Jake > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:08

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I don't know...

I think I take it off after the car is on, as in depress clutch/brake, start car, release clutch, release parking brake (foot still on brake), depress clutch, select gear, go.

Jayhawk Jake > Hermann 11/08/2013 at 13:09

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My dad always taught me not to turn the tires when you're sitting still. Something about wearing a spot in the tire.

Don't know if that's true or not, but it's a habit I've developed 95% of the time.

Biased Plies > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:10

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Release e-brake, go. My car is already in gear.

Jayhawk Jake > Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey 11/08/2013 at 13:10

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This man knows his priorities.

SPNKiX > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:12

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do you really need to release the e-brake at all?

CalzoneGolem > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:13

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First I take off my pants. Then I grab the mayo from under the passenger's seat and the plunger and roll of duck tape from the glove. Then I ...

Wait what were we talking about?

McMike > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:13

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Parking brake is the first thing I set when I stop, and the last step when I start.

When I stop:

1. Two feet in (clutch and brake)

2. Set parking brake

3. Turn car off.

4. Release both feet with car in gear.

When I start (car already running, transmission in neutral)

1. Two feet in

2. Put it in gear

3. Release parking brake

4. Go.

Same for automatics, except there is only one foot involved.

Damn you, I tried to type this in the imbedded image of the new editor.

Hermann > Jayhawk Jake 11/08/2013 at 13:14

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Your father has a point on this.

I usually avoid it too. Not that anyone has taught me it, it's more of a habit that has probably started because I used to drive many cars with no power steering. I move them while stopped when really needed, like tight parallel parking.

Boxer_4 > Jayhawk Jake 11/08/2013 at 13:17

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It's also harder on the steering pump if the you are sitting still, as far as I know.

Jayhawk Jake > Hermann 11/08/2013 at 13:24

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Yeah, the 5% is when there really isn't another way around it.

Jayhawk Jake > Boxer_4 11/08/2013 at 13:25

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That makes sense

Jayhawk Jake > McMike 11/08/2013 at 13:26

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Interesting. When I stop I put it in neutral, release clutch, parking brake on. If it's needed, I put the clutch in/put it in 1st, but who are we kidding, I don't live near any hills.

If I'm feeling bold pulling into my garage, I put it in neutral, turn the car off while still rolling, then brake/parking brake.

fhrblig > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:33

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Usually I release the e-brake, put in the clutch and other foot on the brake, and start. If I'm on a hill, I leave the e-brake on. I have a pedal-operated e-brake (Ford Ranger).

raygone > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:40

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Usually for me, since I start on a hill it's:

1. Clutch in, start
2. Neutral while i fumble around (seatbelt, lights on, mirrors, radio)
3. Clutch in, switch to reverse
4. E-Brake off with foot on the brake
5. Gogogogo!

I hate my parking lot at work... (and my driveway, it was hell to learn stick on)

efme > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:41

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clutch in, brake in, start car, gear in and drive. no e-brake release.

why? ebrake releases automatically once I start to give it gas... or I just don't put the brake on on flat surfaces.

Joe_Limon > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:48

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1. Pull keys out of pocket
2. Unlock doors
3. Open door
4. Crawl in
5. Seatbelt on
6. Clutch in
7. Foot on brake
8. Parking brake off
9. Key in ignition
10. Turn engine over
11. Shift into gear
12. Mirror check/shoulder check
13. signal
14. let off brake
15. apply gas/let clutch out
16. go!

Forgetful > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 13:49

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Well, seeing as how it's November, the process starts getting a little longer. It acutally starts the night before when you plug in the block heater.

1. Dress appropriately for the weather conditions. Toque, scarf, golves, jacket, boots, snowpants, goggles. Too many layers is better than not enough.

2. Equip yourself with the necessary tools. Shovel, window scraper/ snow brush combo, lock deicer, 2nd set of keys, survival kit, avalanche beacon.

3. Brave the difficult journey from your front door to your car.

4. Find your car.

5. Dig out your car.

6. Deice locks.

7. Get in and start the car... if it will even turn over. You can leave the ebrake on.

8. Crank the defrost.

9. Exit the car and lock the doors with your second set of keys.

10. Scrape the ice from the windows.

11. Shovel the driveway. ugh.

12. Return to the warmth of your home. Wait a good 20 minutes.

13. Make the return journey to your car.

14. Hope and pray your ebrake isn't frozen as you release it.

15. Drive off, only to pull over half way down the block to take off your gloves and jacket because the heat is blasting.

Textured Soy Protein > lonestranger 11/08/2013 at 13:49

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Assuming the car was left in neutral while parked, because otherwise you wouldn't have to put it in gear as the OP described, there are two sequences of events:

1. Clutch in to start car, clutch out, foot on brake, release e-brake, clutch in to put car in gear, start driving.

2. Clutch in to start car, put car in gear, foot on brake, release e-brake, start driving.

Option #2 = have clutch in longer, i.e. riding the clutch.

The real answer however is, this doesn't really matter at all and is about as important as arguing over whether blue or black ball-point pens write more smoothly.

Atomic Buffalo > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 14:09

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As long as you release the parking brake before you step off the brake, who cares?

davidj210 > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 14:18

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My car is in gear before I start it.

1) Clutch in

2) Turn Key

3) release parking brake

4)release clutch, start rolling

DocWalt > Textured Soy Protein 11/08/2013 at 14:23

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I've always known "riding the clutch" to mean leaving your foot sitting on the clutch pedal OR slipping it longer than necessary when starting out or shifting.

His Stigness > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/08/2013 at 14:35

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In my manual car I get get in and sit down

Adjust the seat if my mom drove it last

Use my right foot to put the clutch

Turn on the car and release the clutch

Release the clutch

Adjust mirrors and radio

Put my right foot on the brake

Release the parking brake

Put the clutch in

Transition into gear

And I'm off.

In my automatic car I:

Get in

Put my foot on the brake

Start the car and release my foot off the brake (the brake thing isn't necessary because it's a 2000 C230 but it's a habit now)

Allow the idle to stabilize and do stuff while it does

Put my foot back in the brake

Release the parking brake

Put the car in Drive and I'm off.

The Jevans > Textured Soy Protein 11/08/2013 at 14:58

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I don't think that phrase means what you think it means

JEM > nippon 11/08/2013 at 15:13

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My driveway is flat and I never use the handbrake either. And ESPECIALLY not in winter when yes, I've also had it freeze up a number of times.

lonestranger > Textured Soy Protein 11/08/2013 at 15:15

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DocWalt and The Jevans are correct.

"Riding the clutch" means that you have the clutch partially disengaged for longer than is necessary. The clutch slips, massive amounts of friction (and therefore heat) are generated, wearing the clutch and leading to premature failure.

In a situation such as your Option #2, the clutch is fully disengaged. There is absolutely zero friction generated.

In fact, if we were to split hairs (like your ball-point pen argument), I could argue that your Option #1 creates more wear. Each cycle of clutch disengagement and engagement induces wear within the linkage, so more frequent cycles will wear the linkage sooner than fewer cycles would. As a counterpoint, Option #2 generates spring pressure against the release fork for a longer time period than it does in Option #1. In practice, neither option is worse than the other, and neither cause a significant amount of wear.

Textured Soy Protein > lonestranger 11/08/2013 at 15:48

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Welp, I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong.

GreenN_Gold > Naijaflavor, I Love Doritos 11/13/2013 at 14:33

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What's "Park?"

Kidding aside, as long as your foot is on the real brake, the order won't really matter. I release the e-brake first whenever I drive an automatic, so that once I'm in drive my attention is fully ahead of me and not still fiddling around with stuff.