Nissan VP Andy Palmer Trash Talks Subaru BRZ, Is 50 Years Old

"PRBot II" (prbot2)
10/27/2013 at 15:14 • Filed to: subaru brz, scion fr-s, TOYOTA GT86, nissan

Oh yes, he's doing this. 50-year-old man and Nissan executive vice president Andy Palmer is bringing the hurt. Let's hope he's got an industrial strength flamesuit, because this is going to be intense.

When !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! about the rear-drive sports car market, Mr. Palmer rhetorically asked,

"Do we have any competitors?"

But he's well aware of the latest offering from Toyota and Subaru, winning the hearts of automotive journalists and consumers alike.

"...the Subaru [BRZ]? It was a car designed for a 50-year-old. It’s for a midlife crisis. That’s not what we do.”

Damnnn. He continued,

"You’ll see the answer to the midlife crisis. Except it won’t be for the midlife crisis.”

Nissan is set to debut their new !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! concept at next month's Tokyo Motor Show. So where there's fighter concept cars, there's fighting words. Andy Palmer could be civil about this. He could be nonchalant about Nissan's devious plans. But instead he's letting his mouth write a check. Next month, we get to see if that check has any hope of being cashed.

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Images from Wikimedia Commons and Subaru

DISCUSSION (100)

YSI-what can brown do for you > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 15:19

Kinja'd!!!

I don't like him. He is stupid.

anonsagainstanonymous > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 15:21

Excuse me? I'm pretty sure Toyobaru, being an affordable youthful sports-coupé will attract less 50 year olds than the GTR.

V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 15:22

Mid life crisis?

He must not be paying attention to who's driving them. I see quite a few of them in my area. Almost all are driven by 20 somethings.....

TheOnelectronic > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 15:22

"It's a car designed for a 50-year-old"

Funny, because my campus is SWARMING with them. They have been very popular among millenials .

PRBot II > V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me!
10/27/2013 at 15:24

Double edit. Nevermind.

* whistles casually

gbbts > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 15:26

It seens Mr. Andy Palmer it's just an ordinary executive, not a car guy. Or its only jealous.

Can't blame him. Nissan bean counters must have convinced him that car enthusiasts don't need a affordable RWD sports car. It won't sell.

Toyota and Subaru are laughing right now

V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 15:28

He appears to be in his own crisis in that photo at the top of the page.....

m2m, apex detective > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 15:29

Seeing his in-depth analysis of the BRZ, I'd wager that he likes his cars to be much more comfortable. Maybe he's mad that he won't fit the seats? What do I know?

While there are some bits about the BRZ/GT86 that I find a bit obscene (exhaust tips, rear bumper), it's certainly not aimed at the midlifer crowd. Those buy Porsches, Audi convertibles or SLs for all I know.

I'd love to know what VP Palmer himself drives, what personal car(s) he runs.

SpeedSix > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 15:32

Says the guy whose company produces and markets the Nissan Versa, Versa Note, and Sentra.

ToddyDotty > gbbts
10/27/2013 at 15:39

After all with a line up of 4-door, PRNDL, and 3.5l V6's... Plus every inexpensive Nissan which I'll shit on in lesser detail, No man in a mid-life crisis would want to even think about driving one. Much less allowing himself to step on the lot to consider. This fat turkey buzzard can go fuck his Nissan Altima and pretend everyone can afford a GT-R. Fucking douche.

PRBot II > anonsagainstanonymous
10/27/2013 at 15:40

Ohhhhh shit!

PRBot II > m2m, apex detective
10/27/2013 at 15:41

That's a good question. Watch it be beige.

m2m, apex detective > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 15:52

Oh ... and for the record, if Nissan actually come up with a decent entry-level sportscar, I'm all for it. Maybe others will follow once there's market again. I just don't get why he has to pick on the Toyobaru twins ... does this man not read the news?

TexMex > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 15:53

Obligatory.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 16:03

"ALRIGHT, I ATE ALL THE PIES, STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT"

Kinja'd!!!

f86sabre > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 16:06

There is a red BRZ at work. It is the only one I've seen in the lot that is full of car guy car toys. It is driven by...a 50+ women. What does that mean? Not a thing.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 16:17

"Too bad he is 50 years old ."

Shouldn't that be his cred?

PRBot II > Goshen, formerly Darkcode
10/27/2013 at 16:19

Good point. Edited.

scoob > SpeedSix
10/27/2013 at 16:39

He's just jealous his company makes things... that... *yawns*... makes you... want to...

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GhostZ > m2m, apex detective
10/27/2013 at 16:39

Also new Corvettes. They buy new corvettes.

m2m, apex detective > GhostZ
10/27/2013 at 16:43

Hey ... I'm in my twenties and even I would get a new Corvette, if I had some money to play around with. ;)

GhostZ > SpeedSix
10/27/2013 at 16:44

...and the Maxima, 370z, G37, M37, M56, FX50, and GT-R.

Low-end Nissans are crap. But their mid-range and top-of-the-line models are extremely sporty.

GhostZ > gbbts
10/27/2013 at 16:48

What's funny is that Nissan was the one who opened up the very market (by killing the lightweight Z back in 1989, and then refusing to offer the SR20DET in the 240sx before killing it outright in '98).

I am fully confident that if they had made a RWD 2.5l QR25DE lightweight coupe back in 2005, instead of shoving the expensive VQ into everything, the BRZ would have flopped by comparison. Now they're playing catch-up.

GhostZ > scoob
10/27/2013 at 16:52

...compared to everything else that Toyota makes?

Camronjames92 > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 16:56

Can I have hope that they may possibly be bringing back some form of the 240sx?

scoob > GhostZ
10/27/2013 at 17:03

Yeah but Toyota didn't (try to) bash on anyone else, did they?

King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider > m2m, apex detective
10/27/2013 at 17:03

I doubt that his opinion is based off of who they are marketing it to vs. what the demographic information associated with the current buyers are...

Though, to whit, most cars aimed at mid-lifers are also fast becoming lust objects for the youthful (Corvette = drool).

GhostZ > scoob
10/27/2013 at 17:04

Doesn't make their cars more exciting.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 17:11

This should be on the FP.

gbbts > GhostZ
10/27/2013 at 17:20

I really hope to see more cars like the Toyobaru, Miata, Silvia in the future. Driver oriented cars. Where numbers are not so important. Afterall, you can't measure fun objectively. Not everything resumes to a lap in the Ring.

Satish Kondapavulur > SpeedSix
10/27/2013 at 17:25

Not to mention the Murano CrossCabriolet.

PRBot II > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
10/27/2013 at 17:32

Imagine the comments.

ForCountry > GhostZ
10/27/2013 at 17:41

Are you daft? Which one of these cars are on the BRZ's level? None. They're all higher market, yes faster, because well, damn, they're all more expansive. The BRZ? Cheap, affordable, great car, tons of fun. The 370z? Fun, fast, expansive. Not everybody can afford one.

oldirtybootz > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 18:38

Well Nissan makes the 370Z, G37, and Murano CC, so he's talking from experience.

kenhitch > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 18:41

Hahaha sounds like someone's a little butthurt about how well received Toyota's new fun car is while Nissans and Infinitis keep getting reviews that all essentially say, "Boring, don't buy it."

dr861 > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 18:42

Yea not a midlife crisis car... at all. That would be the corvette. And for the record, they are both awesome.

And who the hell is a 370Z for? I don't know many people between the ages of 16 and 40 who can afford a $30,000 dollar sports car these days.

Doctor-G-and-the-wagen > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 18:43

As much as I'd love for more cars like the Toyobaru twins, this guy's arrogance is almost enough to make me hope Nissan's offering fails.

notavirus > SpeedSix
10/27/2013 at 18:45

Don' t forget the Nissan CrossCabriolet.

webmonkees > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 18:45

Kinja'd!!!

Close enough.

Cheesewhiz > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 18:46

He has just revealed both his ignorance of the latest data on the BRZ/FRS buyer profile and his misunderstanding of the market he is charged with selling to: Those cars are attracting some of the youngest buyers in the industry and has begun a big positive change in attitude toward each of those brands among younger shoppers. Since those shoppers are his target and are fans of this competitor's car, it might be better to flatter rather than insult their choices.

Had he consulted his strategic planning data beforehand there's not a chance he would have said this.

WizardAlien > anonsagainstanonymous
10/27/2013 at 18:56

Most younger people can't afford the GTR, which is way overpriced imho.

MooseKnuckles > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 18:57

Bob Lutz, is that you?

mrated > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 18:58

I hate the term "Midlife Crisis". Only guys ever have them apparently. You know what a midlife crisis is? It's a guy getting what he wants, not what everyone else expects him to want. You see a 20yo in a 86 and it's ok, put a 40yo in the same car and he's having a crisis.

Random Commenter > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 18:59

It's for people who are having a mid life crisis, eh? Funny... Every single time I've seen an FR-S or a BRZ, it was either being driven by someone in their mid to late 20's, or someone in their early 30's... I have yet to see a middle aged man in one in person.

Nissan doesn't have one car that interests me anymore... The only car they have that comes close is the GT-R, and many people end up not liking the GT-R because it's like driving a car in a video game, your in control, but you just feel like your along for the ride. Sure, technically, it's an amazing car, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily an exciting car to drive.

If Nissan wants to make a Toyobaru competitor, they should make a new 240sx. I doubt they will though.

ranwhenparked > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 18:59

Midlife crisis? The car is tailor made for 20/30 somethings and is actually priced at a level many of them can afford.

Now, the $30,000 (base) 370Z, on the other hand.

seriouslywhyiskinjastillterrible > YSI-what can brown do for you
10/27/2013 at 19:03

He looks just like this other guy I dont like.

Thou art been judged!

Scrape > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:03

Well, he's wrong on this. The Toyoabarus aren't for a midlife crisis as they aren't nice enough or powerful enough cars. They are aimed at the recent college grad market who want a sporty car but don't really know what they are looking at.

isnewton > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:04

Bring back 240 with 50 more horsepower for the same price. Then they will win.

TnF > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:04

This is what happens when you leave MBA graduates to run any engineering job (I'm a MEng). Look at his face. More like a pig, similar to a politician or anyone falling in the fat bastard category. Let the Japanese which have SOUL bring back the SILVIA (S16). And just to add, the s-chassis is for people in their 20's. But maybe indeed it is for a middle aged man right now. Let's not forget who fucked up the whole economy, and every chance/dream that most of people in my age would have right now if everything was normal. Makes me want to kill every single one of these shitty, corrupted, greedy people.

Mikeado > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:06

See, you should probably look out of the window and see who's actually driving Toyobarus before saying that...

isnewton > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:06

I love how everyone obsesses over the BRZ when all its really good at is handling. 0-60 in like 7.5? Really? For 25K? Really? Brb Focus ST called.

CPT Speedbump > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:07

silvia s16!!! honestly they could probably make alot if they'd just restart production of the s15, lol

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:07

So... the BR-Z plays sweetass music?

doublefourvalve > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
10/27/2013 at 19:13

He doesn't look like he could even fit in a BRZ, the effing jackass.

N51fanatic > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:14

This guy is a hater. In NJ, i dont think i have seen anyone over 30 (roughly) driving a toyobaru

doublefourvalve > TexMex
10/27/2013 at 19:15

You Sir have won the day. Huzzah!

ptak appreciates old racecars > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:16

No, the Toyobaru is for these guys.

FR-S - hipsters

BRZ - collectors

GT86 - stance-douches with colorful iPhone casings, shorts, no socks, and Wayfarers. #SHOSHINSHA. NO FAT CHICKS CAR WILL SCRAPE. STANCE LIFE LOL.

ranwhenparked > V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me!
10/27/2013 at 19:17

What, you mean carrying 40% of your body weight in your neck and buying collars 2 sizes too small isn't a totally normal thing?

Stef Schrader > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:18

I'm not usually one to defend anything that puts a boxer engine in the wrong place, but...

YOUR COMPANY MAKES THE ALTIMA!

ALTIMA.

ALTIMAAAAAAAAAA.

I have never owned a more butt turrible pile in my life than my '02 Failtima.

ALTIMA!

No room to talk, ever.

tallen702 > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:19

Kinja'd!!!

And let me tell you, this is a man who looks like he's pretty well versed in the art of the mid-life crisis! I'm guessing it's only a matter of time before he starts sending pictures of his wang to random cocktail waitresses he meets at a Vegas casino.

YSI-what can brown do for you > seriouslywhyiskinjastillterrible
10/27/2013 at 19:21

Yeah I hate that guy too! Fuck 'em!

Binks > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:23

Let's see.. Maxima is owned by retirees or coke dealers. Z. Z. Z... anyone? They still make the Z?

tallen702 > dr861
10/27/2013 at 19:25

Who is the 370Z for? I can answer that as I was behind one heading east-bound on I-70 in MD today. It's for someone in their late 50's to early 60's who doesn't know a goddamned thing about cars and likes to drive very, very slow in the passing lane while talking on a hand-held cell while his bored (and none-too-easy-on-the-eyes) wife looks out the passenger side window in a desultory manner at the people passing them on the right while giving them the stink-eye.

THAT is who the 370Z is for. Or it's at least who winds up owning it....

jbmadness > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:27

I just wanted to reserve this space for fat jokes.

LTIROCKS > GhostZ
10/27/2013 at 19:29

Many younger people would love to own "new Corvettes" (the '14 in particular), but can't afford them.

Those who can afford them are generally older, which is the case with most expensive cars.

b33g33 > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:29

Andy's just sore because the 200 horses in the Toyobaru just aren't enough to haul his lard-ass anywhere.

Kinja'd!!!

LTIROCKS > V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me!
10/27/2013 at 19:29

You're right about that.

Not to mention the fact that most "mid life crisis" men couldn't fit in a BRZ/FR-S to begin with.

b33g33 > m2m, apex detective
10/27/2013 at 19:30

He seems like an Infiniti QX guy.

I don't really see him fitting into anything smaller.

Kinja'd!!!

350Zed > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:30

Apart from the Corvette, the Z is the epitome of mid-life-crisis. I should know... I owned one.

Palmer is talking out of his ass.

Frankenbike666 > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:32

He's not exactly wrong about the BRZ, and it's true of all sports cars. It's the bread and butter of sports car sales that makes them available to younger car enthusiasts. There has never been a time when that wasn't true.

Nissan will come out with their BRZ fighter, about the time Toyobaru decides to make the FRS/BRZ a Z fighter.

Franz86 > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:33

I don't get how calling a vehicle a "mid life crisis car" is an insult. So it is an attractive sports car that grow men purchase to feel younger. Seems to me like a mid life crisis purchase is an insult to the person and their reasons for buying it, not the product. And like many people have pointed out it's not a very accurate discription. When I hear mid life crisis car I think of flashy some what expensive sports cars like the corvette, M3, or viper. Not a sub $30,000 miata/S2000 fighter.

Haze > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:35

Just putting this out there because I am fast approaching that mid-life crisis age. What the hell is wrong with buying a sports car or boat or whatever when you reach mid-life if you have the money to do so?

m2m, apex detective > b33g33
10/27/2013 at 19:35

Eh ... that's downright mean. Let's say Navara. ;)

Corduroy Club. > m2m, apex detective
10/27/2013 at 19:35

not all mid-lifers have Audi or Porsche money. Actually the vast majority don't

m2m, apex detective > Corduroy Club.
10/27/2013 at 19:37

I know. :/

JCNM > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:51

When a car company comes up with a viable replacement for the fun-as-hell Honda S2000, then we'll talk.

DarthNoll > Stef Schrader
10/27/2013 at 19:52

And the Sentra, Versa, Juke, Cube, e.t.c.

F1guy hates duck billed F1 cars > oldirtybootz
10/27/2013 at 19:52

I can't grasp that.

The company does something as batshit insane/stupid as thinking there's a market for a convertible crossover, is convinced that there ISNT one for an affordable RWD sports car.

Even if Nissan's is better, it's BRZ all the way because F the market: the Toyobaru was built to make us happy, and guess what? The money followed.

This car is the result of Nissan's hand being forced, not because the CEO wanted it done to be a boss. It feels tainted.

Giant Lobster Monster > Goshen, formerly Darkcode
10/27/2013 at 19:54

I know right? It seems to me it's him who's in his mid-life crisis. The BRZ is clearly aimed at a younger public than him.

TurboSloth > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:54

Well, if Nissan thinks they can do better, by all means, please ship me a Fairlady Z/SkylineGTR of any generation, which does include the datsuns. I'll see whos better.

You hear that Nissan? (psst, I prefer the R34. Send me that one. k? thx.)

RatMR2 > b33g33
10/27/2013 at 19:55

That may be one of the ugliest cars I have ever seen.

PardonMyFlemish16 > GhostZ
10/27/2013 at 19:59

No, and no. By this logic, because the Miata exists, the BRZ/FRS would flop. Doesn't quite work that way.

Plus the 240SX was always good 200-300lb heavier than the FR-S. It's pretty silly to think the modern incarnation of that car would be closer to the FR-S than say, the Genesis. In that context the VQ makes way much more sense. My Z would not be much more fun w/100 less HP and ~150lb less on the nose. The Z was only a sports car for 1 generation. For the other 5 it has been a fast GT.

shinsen > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:59

my god why does nissan motor co have to hit every car in their lineup with a ugly stick! Talk is cheap Andy Palmer!

AdmiralAkbar > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 19:59

So apparently the FRS captures double the industry average of % buyers in the Under 24 category. The largest category is 50 year olds, but I think you'd find that true for every car on sale currently: baby boomers.
http://www.edmunds.com/industry-cente…

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 20:00

Kinja'd!!!

anonymic > Satish Kondapavulur
10/27/2013 at 20:00

Let's not forget the Mercury Villager/Nissan Quest

PardonMyFlemish16 > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 20:00

I agree that he's writing a check this car might not be able to cash. If it's based on the FM chassis it's probably gonna suck. There's not much room to cut weight from the G/Z without spending money, so if this has the QR it's gonna be a dog. A Genesis coupe without the turbocharger.

kyle242gt > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 20:03

Kinja'd!!!

Fat bastard is probably just pissed he can't shoehorn his tub of guts into it.

RyanFrew > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 20:03

In today's shocking headline, a guy decides to suggest that he's unimpressed by his competition.

Why is this a big deal? It's a Nissan exec saying he doesn't like a Subie. That's exactly what he should do, since he's not Alan Mulally

Milky > GhostZ
10/27/2013 at 20:04

That is a really good list, and having the maxima on there is lowering its value sir.

ToastedTires > V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me!
10/27/2013 at 20:13

Yeah, people with more money than sense.

Icyubnvs > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 20:16

There is no such thing as a midlife crisis. It's only, I finally have enough money to get the things I've always wanted.

If Mr. Palmers ideas of life other than a midlife crisis should involve a squishy beige sedan, he can go throw himself into an incinerator. We do not need that kind of thinking from a VP of a major car company.

GhostZ > PardonMyFlemish16
10/27/2013 at 20:21

The Miata is a convertible, much lower power, and a 2-seater instead of a 4-seater, so they occupy a very different market than the Silvia , 86, and Z.

The 240SX curbweight: 2698lbs
FR-S/BRZ weight: 2758lbs

So no, the 240SX was not heavier, and had more power from the S13 generation on.

The VQ is not going to be used for the Z, and it actually doesn't make sense at all. The VQ37VHR is making 94 HP / liter without direct injection and maintains a 7600 rpm redline. That's pretty much done. Without turbos (which means a significant increase in cost) there's no way for them to safely get more HP out of it. Direct injection on the existing Z engine would push it to around the BRZ's level, improving it only by about 25 HP.

By comparison, the QR25DDT that they're going to be using is a direct-injected turbo that, to make the same 350HP as the current VQ, at the same RPM, needs to only run 7psi. Chances are, they'll have it rev to 6000rpm and run it at 10psi, to make 300HP. That's a way more reliable setup than trying to get more HP out of the heavier, high strung VQ engine.

But they also expect the weight to come in at 2850 lbs. So even at a conservative 300HP, it has a better power/weight ratio than the current 370z.

Remember that the SR20DET, without direct injection and being nearly 30 years older, made 250HP out of 2 liters. With 2.5l, the QR can make (assuming they ahve the same specific power) 312HP.With direct injection usually offering a 5% power bump, we can expect 330 HP (which is the number they cited to journalists) to be reasonable. That will certainly make the next Z faster than the previous Z. That gives it a better power/weight ratio than the far more expensive Mustang GT too.

Also, I've driven the S30, S130 and Z31, and they're all significantly sportier than the "sports cars" (benchmark: everything made in america at the time, 2000s Civic Si) that were sold around its time. It seems like it became a GT because it seems like the wheelbase got longer, but in reality, it had a tiny (90 inch) wheelbase to begin with, and it didn't increase the wheelbase (2+2 excluded) until the Z32. The BRZ's wheelbase is 101 inches, which is 11 inches longer than the S30, S130, Z31, 6 inches longer than the Z32, The Z33 lengthened the wheelbase considerably to 104 inches, and the Z34 brought it down to 100 inches.

But the Z32 was also the first Z with 4 wheel steering and a limited slip differential, so even as a more "GT" car, it had great handling.

So if the requisite for sports car is "short wheelbase, light weight, good handling, and powerful motor", the only one that violates these are the Z33 and Z32.

shanepj13 > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 20:22

Funny, since my grandparents all drive Nissan Maximas and Altimas...

Secondly, I'm 18 and personally love the BRZ/FRS/GT86... And so do my friends. I havent gotten the chance to drive one, but I've ridden in one and seen a few heavily modified ones and I just can't imagine people in a midlife crisis going for this car. I see them going for more muscle cars. And don't get me wrong, I love muscle cars, but hey I can admit that my dad just went out and bought a Challenger, because midlife crisis.

Not sure where this guy is even coming from saying that this is a midlife crisis car. It's a very nicely priced enthusiast's car.

MTY85 > GhostZ
10/27/2013 at 20:23

It takes a mid life crisis sufferer who's managed his money well to buy a new Corvette. You're looking at 60 grand with a few options.

MTY85 > SpeedSix
10/27/2013 at 20:23

What's wrong with a Sentra coupe with a 3.5 and a manual? Sure it's front wheel drive but it's still a pretty slick car.

SpeedSix > MTY85
10/27/2013 at 20:24

Sentra coupe? I believe you mean Altima .

Kinja'd!!!

tbp0701 > Camronjames92
10/27/2013 at 20:25

I doubt it. Any Nissan/Infiniti I've found with a manual transmission has been disappointing and seemed designed more for image than anything actually engaging, and comments just like show just where the company's head is at (and how far). And I've owned two Nissans, but none since the Renault marriage.

javanos111 > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 20:25

Kinja'd!!!

your son drove one! end story...u just haters

was3859 > PRBot II
10/27/2013 at 20:28

In his defense, the car did 0-60 in a little over 13 seconds with him driving so he might feel it's a bit underpowered. On the plus side, him sitting in the car did get rid of the wheel gap that so many people seem thrown off by.