Quick Rant

"Ex. President Mack41" (Mack41)
10/22/2013 at 23:11 • Filed to: None

Everywhere in the world that isn't North America knowing how to use a stick isn't a big deal. It isn't even a deal. Grandparents use it daily. My grandma is 90 and uses her stick shift Golf to get the half mile to church and back every Sunday. Can we cut the elitist manual transmission crap already American enthusiasts? I'll allow a little extra pride and even gloating when you first pick it up since it is so rare in new cars, but if you can't get over yourself after a few weeks/months you're full of it. That includes "oh this car is nice, but it's DSG, WOULD NEVER THINK OF DRIVING". Stop.

DISCUSSION (82)

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:14

No.

/sarcasm

Ex. President Mack41 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
10/22/2013 at 23:16

Fine. But only if Europeans start asking a million questions on how to use PNRD

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:17

What country are you in? I would like to find something out about your countries preferences that I can nit pick, too.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:17

Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:18

Not quite everywhere. Certain segments of the South Korea population, for example, go "the fuck is this?" when encountering one - much like adoption in the States. It's pretty much something seen only in utility trucks and vans these days.

Also, one of my cars is not fully synchronized, so I'll be as elitist as I want about it.

Also also, the first car I drove was an auto. A push-button auto, '63 Plymouth.
/bragging rights

Ex. President Mack41 > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast.
10/22/2013 at 23:18

...I'm an American in America...

Nibby > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:18

I 100% agree. Not *every* fucking car needs to be manual.

Do you drive long distances frequently?

Do you live/work in a place with a lot of traffic?

Ultimately, it's just a user preference... just like Mac or Windows. There's no "right" and "wrong" and just cause a car doesn't offer a certain transmission doesn't mean that one should just completely ignore it.

The best are when I've posted luxo-barges (which many of you know I love) and some people (over the years on various car communities) have said "Why would anyone drive that thing, it doesn't even come in manual..."

YSI-what can brown do for you > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:21

Not every car needs to be a manual BUT I still think performance cars should be offered with the option.

BrownMiataDieselWagon > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:21

Agreed. The people that brag constantly about driving stick are annoying.
But what if I just simply prefer manuals? For example, if I choose a manual over a DSG, would I be considered an elitist?

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:22

As an owner of Stickshift mazda cosmo, and a triptonic merc, honestly i prefer triptonic for daily drive.

And when the roads are empty at saturday night, i'll fire up the Cosmo. Manual is good for me when the roads are empty.

PRBot II > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:23

I'm more of the "DSG, would never think of driving... if manual is also an option" type.

But I think part of the elitism surrounding manuals in the US is because your grandmother drives manual to church every Sunday. Here, most grown men from the baby boomer generation and younger can't do it.

Kinja'd!!!

Ex. President Mack41 > Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/22/2013 at 23:23

Unsnchronized earns you some more bragging rights. Push button auto is cool hipster. But by making such a big deal out of manual ability it's counter productive to facilitating new manual drivers.

What I mean by that is I have a ton of friends that don't know how to drive manual, but want to, but are so freaked out by all of the talk around it. They become afraid to even try it. Then they get in the car with me and act all amazed that I can do it. Once you start letting people know how common it is elsewhere they become more willing to try and fail. I want more people driving stick, cutting the crap will help that.

WarShrike > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:23

I think part of it is that small personal triumph over the image of laziness our society has managed to pick up. I prefer a manual transmission. I won't shun a car with something else, but it is my weapon of choice.

I do get a bit miffed if the tiptronic or manumatic stuff doesn't work just right though.

Ghost Dog - For the kittens > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:24

There's so much more to a car than the transmission. I can't help but think a person that says, "yeah, but it's an auto...", is just saying so to make him or her self feel part of an elite group. Show me a man that would have nothing to do with a Buick Grand National and...well...put him up against the wall!

desertdog5051 > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:24

To me, I drive whatever I buy. No preference for what the shifting mode is. Been around the block and have driven them all. No elitist here. I will say that the seemingly endless litany of "diesel, manual, small wagon/hatch or it ain't a proper car" crap does start to wear on me after a while. I do not care. Currently, I drive a gas, auto, large truck and it suits my needs fine.

Ex. President Mack41 > WarShrike
10/22/2013 at 23:26

I'm with you there, and I'm all for having pride in learning and mastering stick shift.

But I think if we as a community of American enthusiasts did less bragging about learning manual and how hard and intricate it is/can be, I honestly feel that would lower the mental barrier people face when given the opportunity to take a chance with three pedals. I've seen first hand how friends go from "I could never do that" when I drive them around to "oh, I didn't know 80% of Europeans use it everyday...I want to try right now".

For Sweden > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:26

DSG, WOULD NEVER THINK OF DRIVING

Who said this?

Ex. President Mack41 > BrownMiataDieselWagon
10/22/2013 at 23:28

Not at all, my personal preference is manual as well. I meant in a "if it has a DSG it deserves to die" type of thought process. If a car has DSG only and it's a cool car I'll still want to drive it, maybe even own it if it's good enough. Open minds.

Ex. President Mack41 > YSI-what can brown do for you
10/22/2013 at 23:28

Agreed, especially the pricey ones where the buyers have enough money to spend a ridiculous amount for the "option" of manual.

Ex. President Mack41 > For Sweden
10/22/2013 at 23:30

Go to the front page whenever a new sports car is coming in DSG only or with a DSG option. Even when it's decently quicker there's so many close minded comments about how pointless and shit it is. It gets old. Or people not considering cars that fit them perfectly solely because of the transmission. If it's an SUV or luxury sedan, are you really missing enough to compromise the rest of your purchase?

desertdog5051 > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:31

Obligatory.

rabbitman > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:32

Manuals are a Dinosaur.
Their technology peaked years ago. When a new M5 hands a new M5 with a manual it's ass, it is pretty easy to see that technology wins. When Racing car's don't have manuals it is pretty evident. But some people hate change.
I will say that connection of being the driver is getting lost when you can't rake through the gears depressing the clutch, matching those revs, it is driving. But embrace that change and enjoy doing things you could never do without the technology that has replaced it.

Nibbles > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:33

Nope. It may be ubiquitous where you are, but it definitely is not here. Not anymore at least. When thieves are thwarted by a transmission, well, that pretty much says it all.

But that's cultural differences for you, isn't it? You have your manual transmissions, your diesel engines and your queen and we have our baby back ribs, our 35 foot Cadillacs and our high rate of diabeetus. Them's the breaks. Deal w it.

Also my wife has had two consecutive trips in her manual-transmission truck without killing it and I AM PROUD AS FUCK.

SCR - The Soup Of The Day is Bread > Nibby
10/22/2013 at 23:33

Yup. There's been times where I've seen people berated for not wanting to drive stick in NYC. I wanted to punch that person about the face with a cast iron skillet for being a doucheface.

Pearson Hurst > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:34

I agree, for the most part, however when I was car shopping a few months ago, the salesman brought around an Altima with a CVT. I wouldn't even sit in it and asked them to take it away ASAP. There are some things I just won't consider.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:34

Those are the ones that need a manual, but alas no one thinks people will buy them. Luckily my dream car comes with a manual :D

Desu-San-Desu > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:35

Say that when 90% of the U.S. population looks at you like you're a wizard when they realize your shifter doesn't have letters beside it, lol.

MooseKnuckles > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:35

My family only has two *things* left that are manuals. A tractor and a lathe lol. I don't mind driving an automatic, if it has triptronic, cool, I'll use it and let people think I'm only using it to look cool.
I don't really miss a manual (though I do love driving the tractor). Driving around the city with an auto is fine. And that's what I do a lot for work.
If I bought something like a Vette, ya I'll get it with a stick, but a regular daily driver I'll probably always go automatic.

Nibbles > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:36

Disregard my post then. WHOOOOOPS.jpg (though my points still stand I guess. Substitute an Englishman for my use of "you" in said post)

Ex. President Mack41 > Desu-San-Desu
10/22/2013 at 23:37

I've gotten that look plenty a time, but after explaining how common it is elsewhere and how my grandmother does it to this day I usually get them to think clearly and feel confident giving it a try.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Desu-San-Desu
10/22/2013 at 23:37

Mine doesn't even have numbers.

Nibby > SCR - The Soup Of The Day is Bread
10/22/2013 at 23:37

HAHAHAHAHHAHA

No offense to anyone, but driving stick on 34th street in Manhattan sounds like torture.

Ex. President Mack41 > Pearson Hurst
10/22/2013 at 23:37

CVT is pretty much a POS haha

Ex. President Mack41 > Nibbles
10/22/2013 at 23:37

I'm an American.

Ex. President Mack41 > rabbitman
10/22/2013 at 23:39

I always find the "manual is so much more like racing cars" defense amusing because most motorsport is paddle shifters. I'm all for choice and manuals, but I also love the new things coming out. Go karts have two pedals, left foot braking is fun! And a six speed can be fun too! BOTH can be fun!

Nibbles > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:40

See my next post (and my previous post as I am obvs drunk and unwilling to read through things fully).

alexotics > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:40

Having spent exactly half of my life growing up in Europe and the other half growing up some more in North America as an avid car enthusiast, I can confidently state the following:

a) Manuals are more fun to drive. Except for the SMG M3 GTP I raced a few years ago. The 996 GT3 Cup car on the other hand was a real dog with a slow witted single clutch tranny. Post 2010 race cars? Flappy paddles all the way.

b) I try and teach as many people as I know, as driving a manual gets you to be involved with your car, and potentially makes you a better driver as you're paying just a tad more attention by anticipating situations

c) It's not a big deal. I love both my manual cars, but I'd get an automated transmission in just about 90% of the cars for sale today.

There. Now that's off my chest I can go for a late night spin in my beloved vintage 5-speed time capsule.

Ex. President Mack41 > Nibbles
10/22/2013 at 23:41

hahaha it's fine. I've just seen too many people that don't know how to drive stick give me funny looks of awe for something so common elsewhere and that I KNOW they can do, but they've already taken the confidence out of themselves before giving it a shot, and I think as enthusiasts we should do more to get more people in the seat and trying.

For Sweden > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:41

I see a lot of "I wish a manual was offered" and "I'd choose the manual option" and "I would choose a segment competitor with a manual." I'm not seeing a lot of "I'd throw the S8 out of bed because it has a DSG."

Ex. President Mack41 > For Sweden
10/22/2013 at 23:43

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/why-trading-in…

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:43

Kinja'd!!!

Wow

stick shift knob

Such H-pattern

Much doge

Hyper cool

Nibbles > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:44

No worries here. I'm a manual elitist douche.

Ex. President Mack41 > Nibbles
10/22/2013 at 23:44

I'm buzzed too, hence the dumb ranting lol

Ex. President Mack41 > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
10/22/2013 at 23:45

Kinja'd!!!

rabbitman > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:47

Oh my I didn't even notice.

Had to look again.

Swayze... That is better then the Hoff.

Ex. President Mack41 > rabbitman
10/22/2013 at 23:50

Kinja'd!!!

Point Break is my all time favorite movie haha

For Sweden > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:52

He traded in the S4 for a Wrangler because the Wrangler

Had better resale value

More fun to drive on the street

Ability to drive off-road

Less worry about dings and dirt

Manual transmission

He also mentions having traded in a C6 Z06, 996 C4S, and Gen-II Viper. If the S4 was his first non-clutch car, than these other three would be manual. If his only desire was for a clutch, he never would have left these cars.

The decision seems to based on far more than "LOL MANUALS BAD GUYS."

aquila121 > Ex. President Mack41
10/22/2013 at 23:53

If the vocal minority stops talking about a desire for manual transmission, then I'm afraid it will die off entirely (either in the US or elsewhere, doesn't matter). I'll concede that elitism isn't the right frame of mind regarding three pedals, but I'll echo that I prefer stick. So, yeah—I'm one of those guys who's disappointed when any car comes out without a manual option; the DSG and similar transmissions may be faster, but some people just want that added bit of connection to what's going on with the car, that's afforded by a clutch pedal. Would the Toyobaru twins be missing something if they only came with flappy paddles? The Miata? I would argue so.

I hope that I sidestep the "elitist" label by offering to teach others around me how to row their own gears rather than say 'I'm a more hardcore enthusiast than you.' Also, without stick-shift, we wouldn't have this kinda stuff:

Kinja'd!!!

Really, I see the argument as similar to people who are partial to certain engines—with stricter emissions and fuel requirements, some are worried that the time is up for V12 engines. Mazda's put the rotary engine back on the shelf and may not pick it up again. Is everything going to be turbocharged in a few decades? Or maybe electric powertrains? Will autonomous cars take over the roads? I have no idea. But I want as many choices as possible with what I choose to drive—because I love cars.

For us, it's not just a way to get from point A to point B.

Ex. President Mack41 > For Sweden
10/22/2013 at 23:55

My overall point is far more than LOL DSGS ARE SHIT.

It's not an uncommon skill elsewhere

It isn't difficult or impressive

Acting like it's super special isn't helping people give it a try

The DSG hate is very very minor in my overall annoyance. I see I over emphasized it in my short rant.

SCR - The Soup Of The Day is Bread > Nibby
10/22/2013 at 23:55

I genuinely have no idea how someone would subject themselves to that on a daily basis.

Ex. President Mack41 > aquila121
10/22/2013 at 23:58

I don't take issue in vocally asking for more manuals, I'm right there calling too. I just don't like how we are a vocal minority doing that, and I honestly believe that the majority of young drivers perception of manual shifting as a difficult skill and not something that should be seen as easily achievable and common isn't helping. The more people you can get in the seat the better, and the more confident they feel before sitting there the more likely they are to be okay to fail.

JGrabowMSt > Nibby
10/23/2013 at 00:01

I don't know. It's been some time since driving in the city, but I've never had a problem with rowing my own, even in bumper to bumper traffic. I mean, there are plenty of other users who have the analogy thing nailed down, so I wont add another, but it is preference for the most part. I think there is a tiny little bit about the car that does make the difference though. If I had to drive something with a really heavy clutch, forget it. I have bad knees as is, I don't need to aggravate that problem with a stiff clutch. That said, my Neon has a wonderfully light hydraulic clutch that I could mash all day and all night, and go back for more. My dad's old Omni? Different story. Driving the 1.8 miles to work and back was torture. I don't miss the car because of that specifically.

I will say though, the car I lust over, and am saving up to buy is an automatic. It's something I wish had a manual trans, but it'll be fine as is. It'll also be nice to be able to switch with my girlfriend and let her drive around sometimes. She doesn't know how to drive manual, isn't terribly interested, and we don't need to test the relationship by trying to teach her (especially on my car).

I just learned to drive stick by being tortured by it. Get in the car, and drive where my dad tells me to. He says left/right or tells me to go somewhere, and I went there. Not a total of hours, a total of months of driving him around, rowing through the gears. Heavy traffic? Not an excuse. You're tired? Tough. I know it's different for everyone, but I stopped thinking of the clutch as a chore, and not to toot my own horn or anything, but I'm a very confident driver because of it. I've made judgement calls other people don't agree with, but all of life is like that. I also have the least colorful driving record of all of my friends who have their own car.

In the end though, to get a little back OT, I agree. So you drive manual trans, big whoop. Cut the talk and show me that you can do it, then we'll talk.

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > Ex. President Mack41
10/23/2013 at 00:03

How do I get the ability to post on OPPO?

Nibby > Ex. President Mack41
10/23/2013 at 00:14

Relevant

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Ex. President Mack41
10/23/2013 at 00:15

both are ok IMHO.
I am guilty of being a "manual elitist" but I drive autoboxes from time to time, and it's not THAT bad. (unless it's on an '06 Hyundai elantra, then I flip shit every time I try driving it, because it shifts more randomly than a 17 year old girl's mood)

GoliathRex > Desu-San-Desu
10/23/2013 at 00:17

i loled

Ex. President Mack41 > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
10/23/2013 at 00:33

hahaha excellent analogy

Ex. President Mack41 > Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif
10/23/2013 at 00:39

I think you just did? I'm not a mod, sorry

TheOnelectronic > Ex. President Mack41
10/23/2013 at 00:50

That's exactly it, though. Manuals are so rare here that if someone drives a manual, it likely means they have some enjoyment of the driving process .

It's not that we think we're better than everyone else because we can drive in a more complicated fashion, it's that we flock together in hopes of finding someone who doesn't look at us funny when we say we enjoy driving.

Jayhawk Jake > Nibby
10/23/2013 at 00:55

This exactly. I just joined the manual camp and while it's fun, as I've argued before 90% of the time it's pretty pointless. Once I get past the 2nd light on my drive to work, 6th gear cruising all the way. Someone wrecked on Kellogg(aka a daily guarantee)? Well, now I'm stuck in traffic and my left leg is screaming at me WHY DO YOU DO THIS?!

The bottom line is there's always a reason for people to chose to drive the cars they drive. Manual or not, who cares. As long as you aren't driving a donked Nissan Murano Convertible, you have my respect

Manuél Ferrari > Nibby
10/23/2013 at 01:11

Exactly. There is no right or wrong answer. Both have pros and cons. I wrote a whole diatribe on this subject on Oppo (as many probably have, lol).

The best solution, when possible, is to have both. That way you have an MT for when you want the feel and an AT (preferably a single or dual clutch robotized manual) for when you want paddles.

I definitely prefer MT when not commuting in heavy traffic. But I also live in So Cal and that's not always an option. And paddles can be fun in their own way. Dialing the shift aggressiveness to max and pulling the paddles in a high HP car at WOT is pretty fun.

The Vibe Guy, Apparently > Ex. President Mack41
10/23/2013 at 01:19

Ever since I got my license and my 4-speed automatic Pontiac Vibe, I have wanted to learn manual. Recently my mom gave me lessons in her Jeep Wrangler 5-spd. I now know how to drive manual, and plan on using this skill frequently, possibly for my next DD. HOWEVER, learning stick, while a skill, isn't something I'm suddenly going to gush over. Yeah, it's fun. The car seems more alive. But my automatic won't stall on an incline, and in traffic (which in my area is either nonexistent or 'parking lot' for some reason) it is great. I have had a great deal of (*gasp*) fun with my automatic, and on roadtrips (some of the most enjoyable experiences for me) there is no difference in driving experience. It is downright stupid how much some people gush about it, and to be honest, those people actually make me want to NOT associate with them. They taught me that my automatic isn't a bad thing, and I love my car even more for it!

That said, I'm planning on manual swapping it in the future. Mostly because fun, a little because when I finally get monies I'm going to upgrade the heck out of this engine and the auto tranny will puke with anything over 200hp.

Manuél Ferrari > Desu-San-Desu
10/23/2013 at 01:22

Lol that's true.

Same holds true for poorly designed robotized manuals. My E46 M3 has SMG and it's hard to get non-gearheads to attempt to drive it. When I explained how the shifting works to my sister when she needed to borrow the car she went wide-eyed. I told her auto mode was unusable and that she had to drive it like a car with a stick, except use the paddles. She tried for two minutes then gave up and called my Mom so she could borrow her car.

The delay in power delivery when upshifting in the low gears can be quite unsettling for someone who isn't good with a MT in the first place if they drive the car too gingerly.

Oh and BTW I didn't buy the car new, otherwise I would have got the stick. Finding a clean and low mileage E46 M3 that isn't SMG is like trying to find a unicorn.

Manuél Ferrari > Ex. President Mack41
10/23/2013 at 01:26

Yeah there are a LOT of commenters that talk trash on cars that don't come with a manual, or worse yet say that anyone who drives a car that doesn't have a stick is a pansy and needs to die.

I do think it's a bummer that Porsche didn't offer the new GT3 in both stick and PDK. But would that stop me from buying it tomorrow if I could? Probably not. One test drive and I'd probably be smitten with that flat 6 revving to a zillion RPMs.

Victorious Secret > Ex. President Mack41
10/23/2013 at 01:26

I had this debate when I got my car. DCT or Manual.

Somehow, despite all my love of manuals and what I thought was a decent proficiency with them, I still checked the "DCT" option box.

I've moved on. Maybe when I'm Mr. Burns my weekend car can be some old school Aston with a manual or a Ferrari 512TR with its nice gated manual, but till then?

I think I can survive without that 3rd pedal. Somehow, I will survive.

Manuél Ferrari > Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW.
10/23/2013 at 01:27

I live in the states and I've never see a Merc made 60s or later that had a manual. I dunno if they exist here or not but I've seen a lot of Mercs and only the really old ones had manuals (and usually not stick shifts but column shift)

Manuél Ferrari > rabbitman
10/23/2013 at 01:30

I agree that from the performance perspective the MT can't compete with a DCT. But the stick shift MT is still a good option for some cars for one big reason - cost. A DCT is one of the most expensive components of a car to repair or replace out of warranty. If I'm going to keep a car for a really long time I'd prefer that it have a stick.

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > Manuél Ferrari
10/23/2013 at 01:33

Well, here in Indonesia you can buy a stickshift merc. C200 and E200 only. Avaliable with petrol and diesel, saloon and wagon.

Manuél Ferrari > Ex. President Mack41
10/23/2013 at 01:34

I just had to help a friend on Sunday cause her Nissan's CVT blew up. Luckily she had purchased an extended warranty for her car. Otherwise she would have been up shits creek because the car is 5 years old and the blue book value probably isn't much more than it would have cost to replace the CVT out of pocket. The biggest downside to any form of an automated transmission is the repair/replacement cost.

Manuél Ferrari > Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW.
10/23/2013 at 01:36

I'm jealous :-O

WarShrike > Ex. President Mack41
10/23/2013 at 01:37

Yeah, my parents didn't think I had the coordination to do it when I first learned at 15. I hadn't grown into my shoe size yet (Size 12's or 13's) and it was a little '79 Chevette 4 speed manual.

I learned it and have preferred it. I even did a conversion on my V6 Firebird from a stalled auto to a T-56 6-speed.

H4N5 GRU83R > Ex. President Mack41
10/23/2013 at 01:37

A couple of weeks ago when my Volvo died in the middle of the left turn lane, I sure wished it was a manual so I could pop it into first and use the starter & battery to get to the side of the road. Then I could have popped the hood and seen my turbo to intercooler hose had come off, reattached it and been on my merry way. But nope, had to sit in the car and wait for AAA. Reattached the hose when I got home.

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > Manuél Ferrari
10/23/2013 at 01:45

Well, my friend have a C230 Diesel Wagon with a Stick. It's really weird. But i like it!

Here's the stick:

Kinja'd!!!

Manuél Ferrari > Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW.
10/23/2013 at 02:19

Is the exterior brown? If so you have to post a picture of the outside too so it can become one of the official Jalopnik vehicles :)

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > Manuél Ferrari
10/23/2013 at 02:21

here is the car:

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/npocp-my-frien…

Manuél Ferrari > Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW.
10/23/2013 at 02:25

My fav Merc is this one.

I found a clean low mileage one for sale here once. But of course it had an AT :/

Kinja'd!!!

Ex. President Mack41 > H4N5 GRU83R
10/23/2013 at 08:09

My alternator died two Fridays ago three hours from home in a left turn only lane on a two lane highway. Getting into neutral was a chore with the auto but "running" that red light across two lanes was pretty fun haha.

Ex. President Mack41 > WarShrike
10/23/2013 at 08:10

Nice, that's a neat swap!

Bruno Martini > Ex. President Mack41
10/23/2013 at 14:38

Stop making excuses for the handicap box. Go drive your dsg/cvt/auto/automated manual where you want. Not a real car unless you row your own....

Ex. President Mack41 > Bruno Martini
10/23/2013 at 14:48

I drive a manual.

Kate's Dirty Sister > Bruno Martini
10/23/2013 at 14:50

Fag, not a real car unless steam power.

Bruno Martini > Kate's Dirty Sister
10/24/2013 at 13:55

Fruitcake not a real cart unless its drawn by a horse.