So, I feel like this should be me and my dads project car

"YSI-what can brown do for you" (ysi-what-can-brown-do-for-you) 10/17/2013 at 17:41 • Filed to: Exhaust Music, Supra, Toyota

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I don't know why, but it seems like a good idea. You can get them for cheaper than 240/260z and you can make the fairly fast, plus dat noise.

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > YSI-what can brown do for you 10/17/2013 at 17:47

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Ughhh. 1JZ's are so much nicer than their 2JZ brothers. I've heard they aren't easy to build though. And I've never really seen all too many of them done nicely.

However, I think the main problem is that they're always compared to Mk4s and 2JZs, so "relatively" they may not be great but in reality they're phenomenal cars.

Textured Soy Protein > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 10/17/2013 at 17:54

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The US version came with the 7M-GTE not the 1JZ-GTE.

I definitely like the boxy 80s styling though.

feather-throttle-not-hair > YSI-what can brown do for you 10/17/2013 at 17:54

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Like this particular one? or one without an engine swap? I'm not terribly trusting of the 7MGTE. It's not a terrible engine, but known headgasket issues are kinda scary.

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Textured Soy Protein 10/17/2013 at 18:12

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Ahhh my bad, I'm getting seriously mixed up today. Isn't the 7M better than the 1JZ anyways? Now that you said that, replace everything in my first statement with 7M because I've only seen 7Ms built not 1JZs.

Boxer_4 > feather-throttle-not-hair 10/17/2013 at 18:25

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As far as I know, the 7M-GE was the one that had the headgasket issues. The issue came from an error in the torque spec for the headgasket bolts. Toyota torqued them at the factory to 56 lb-ft, when they should have been torqued to 75 lb-ft.

BarryDanger > YSI-what can brown do for you 10/17/2013 at 18:30

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ehem.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you 10/17/2013 at 18:54

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There's are pretty big differences between that and an S30. It would be closer to a Z31 300ZX or FC RX-7. Personally, I have played with all three and owned them, and my favorite is the RX-7. The Supra needs an engine swap to get to what you are seeing and both the Z31 and Supra are fatties. Then there are the baby brother cars like the AE86 and such.

You have a lot of options in the range. I would also say you should check out the MR2s. You can get good deals on SW20 MR2s and they are amazing fun. The AW11s are fun too, but in a different way... you just automatically hear techno music in your head when you drive one.

AluminumFoil > Boxer_4 10/17/2013 at 19:59

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I've heard the 7M-GTE had headgasket issues as well, hence the switch to metal headgaskets.. ?

Boxer_4 > AluminumFoil 10/17/2013 at 21:18

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From further reading, it looks like all of the 7Ms were under torqued from the factory, not just the GEs. From what I have seen, the real reason you would switch to a metal headgasket is if you are planning to increase the power considerably. As far as I know, the stock gasket material is still fine for stock power when torqued down properly.

AluminumFoil > Boxer_4 10/17/2013 at 21:20

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Good to know - thanks for the research!

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper 10/17/2013 at 22:35

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Anything that is fun to drive, and relatively cheap to rebuild. I also want something that sounds the absolute sex. Also how fat is fat. I mean are they 3000lbs or something cause that isn't too bad really. Plus since it is not a daily, we can make it into a racecar for the street!

YSI-what can brown do for you > BarryDanger 10/17/2013 at 22:36

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Mmmmm the z31

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you 10/17/2013 at 22:46

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I believe they were around 3200 to 3400 lbs. Most of the other cars I mentioned were 2800 and under. Big weight advantages other than the Z31. I think the Z31 is only a little lighter.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper 10/17/2013 at 22:48

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Wow that is on the hefty side. Now I am reconsidering. What would you recommend I do? Should I stick to the 260z idea. I feel as though parts might get a bit expensive. However, I am probably wrong.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you 10/18/2013 at 10:25

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The 240z, 260z, and 280z were all on the S30 chassis, so a lot of parts are interchangeable. As the years progressed a few things changed a lot from early on, for instance the direction the transmission bolts mount changed in 73, but nothing that makes it too extremely hard to get general parts (hardest parts to get are nice quality original interior parts, like dashboards). You can find a lot of stuff at junk yards, a lot of custom after market parts, and some OEM stuff that's new but expensive. The biggest issue will be rust. Any of them you find will have some rust just like pretty much every 60s-70s car unless it's been restored.

What I would suggest doing it checking them all out and driving as many as you can. It will come down to preference and what you want to do with the vehicle. All these cars are so radically different that it's a lot about personal preference and purpose. There are some people who can't even tell the difference between a FWD and RWD car when driving around normally. For those people, it won't matter a whole lot. Other people can tell a radical difference between the handling character of an 88 Supra and an 88 300ZX.

If you are thinking about getting a 240z, 260z, or 280z, I would suggest looking at what normal parts cost, what parts at a premium cost ( zcarparts.com ), and what some of the higher end aftermarket options are for them ( arizonazcar.com ). The sky is the limit on the cars as far as modifications. I played with one not long ago that was a v12 swap sitting on $20,000 in suspension and chassis work. If you want to see some of the swap ideas and work involved, check out hybridz.org and read as much as you can.

You can always buy a completed project. This car is for sale over hybrid Z... it's only a cool $40,000.
http://forums.hybridz.org/topic/114878-1…

YSI-what can brown do for you > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. 10/18/2013 at 11:02

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This car has the 1JZ, and not the 7M-GTE. So you were right the first time!

YSI-what can brown do for you > feather-throttle-not-hair 10/18/2013 at 11:03

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Well it would probably be one with the 7M, don't know how much a 1JZ swap would be.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper 10/18/2013 at 12:04

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Well, first I have to convince my dad, that a father son project is a good idea. After that, we will see what happens. I probably want a model that is unrestored and then making into a race car for the road. Prices don't seem too outrageous, but time will tell what is going to happen.

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you 10/18/2013 at 12:19

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In that case it all depends on what your tastes are. MR2s and other midship cars have massively different driving characteristics to FR cars, but even in FR cars there are massive differences between a front bias RWD like a OEM Z and a mid-front RWD like an RX-7 or S2000.

If possible, look for some of the cars you might be interested at local dealers. That way you can test drive them, get a feel for what you like, then buy private party and get a better deal (unless you find one you want at a dealer).

YSI-what can brown do for you > Casper 10/18/2013 at 12:27

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Well I can say the car isn't going to be new, but I personally enjoy the MR style of dynamics. They are great for racecars. A little harder to create in a roadcar though. The car has to be RWD though, there is no other choice!

Casper > YSI-what can brown do for you 10/18/2013 at 12:31

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For sure. I was talking about used car lots. There are a lot that get cars like old RX-7s, Supras, etc, on trade and keep them around to get interest in the lots. Personally I really want another SW20 MR2. It was a freaking blast in autocross and I loved daily driving it.