Another Day, Another GT-R Render

"Lachlan - #ForzaJules" (Lachlan) 10/17/2013 at 01:03 • Filed to: None

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The usual add some new holes, flatten slightly, rinse, repeat treatment

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The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > Lachlan - #ForzaJules 10/17/2013 at 01:44

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The bottom one is clearly the midsection of a c7, the back end of a previous gen chargercut in the middle of the c pillar, then with a Camaro fender grafted on it. Not sure about the front. Looks familiar but no clue. Maybe Porsche?

TheOnelectronic > Lachlan - #ForzaJules 10/17/2013 at 02:44

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Interesting. That gap in the C pillar reminds me most of the M1 Homage BMW did. May have been on the original as well.

Random Commenter > Lachlan - #ForzaJules 10/17/2013 at 02:58

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Personally, I wish they'd go back to the look of the R34... Put an R34 style front end on the current GT-R, and call it a day. That'd be awesome, but somehow I think it'll just get weirder looking.

Mikeado > Lachlan - #ForzaJules 10/17/2013 at 03:26

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I like that they used recent Nissan concepts as influences, but there's no way the tail lights will be anything other than four red rings.

Mikeado > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 10/17/2013 at 03:27

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They've put the design influences in the circles across the top. Personally I don't see any of the cars you mentioned in the styling.

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > Mikeado 10/17/2013 at 03:32

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You are looking at the silver one right?

PanchoVilleneuve ST > Mikeado 10/17/2013 at 03:53

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Considering that the only design requirement Carlos Ghosn gave for the R35 was 4 round tail lights, this is a pretty safe bet.

PanchoVilleneuve ST > Lachlan - #ForzaJules 10/17/2013 at 03:54

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R36 GT-R renders are the new 6th-generation Mustang renders.

GhostZ > Lachlan - #ForzaJules 10/17/2013 at 06:15

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The giant scoop on the bottom is pointless, and actually really messes with the current shape's aerodynamics. The rear spoiler is not going to get 1990s-ish like in that picture, it will probably stay the same shape with some minor angle alterations, and I don't see the roof getting lower unless they decide to nix the transaxle, which they won't.

Likewise, the roof rake cannot get more smooth if they can't drop the cabin, so that rear is probably going to be less tapered, or it will have to become a 2-seater, which it won't. If they can't drop the cabin due to the tranxale, they'll need a sharper rake at the rear and a much sharper rake at the front window than what the render shows. They're assuming than an FR 4-seat tranxale can have the same cabin proportions as a Lamborghini Gallardo. Which is stupid.

The hood won't have a scoop in it, but it may have some heat-extractor vents. The GT-R gets its air from the grill, not the hood, because the turbos are mounted below the top of the engine. Running air through the scoop would, again, mess with aero without any real performance benefit.

The headlights are a good shape, but way more aggressive than reality. Th erims will not be flashy, but they will be a functional design with possibly Carbon-Fiber components. The rest of the front-end looks promising for accuracy.

Mikeado > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 10/17/2013 at 13:04

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The silver one is the same as the white one, and from the side it just looks like an R35 with more surfacing and a funny C-Pillar.

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > Mikeado 10/17/2013 at 16:33

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The white one has a side marker on the front fender, a scoop(?) under the door, different spoiler, different tail lights, different seams between fender and bumper, and no horizontal crease in the back bumper. Also the vent on the fender of the white one intersects the door gap. Maybe a mid generation face lift, but certainly not identical.

An intentionally very crude shop of what I see:

Mikeado > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 10/18/2013 at 03:23

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Minor details aside, they're the same. Also, have you forgotten what an R35 looks like? They haven't just thrown a bunch of American cars together. It's the current car plus those concepts cited along the top.

I just don't like it when people look for other cars in somebody's render. That's lazy on the viewer's part, not the renderer. You could do that for 98% of all cars in history...

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > Mikeado 10/18/2013 at 06:08

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You're not going to like everything on the internet. Seeing lines of other cars is not lazy. It's what I see. It is not lazy to see influences, laziness is failing to not make sure your Hyundai Genesis doesn't resemble a handful of other cars, or failing to not make your Mercedes C coupe look like a Honda Accord coupe. Laziness is just taking the word of the designer and not critiquing it. I don't care what influences they site or how they justify a design if it ends up looking like something else (or if it is just plain ugly to me), whether it a few other cars or "current car plus those concepts cited along the top."

Mikeado > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 10/19/2013 at 16:56

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I challenge you to design a (feasible) car that doesn't looks like any other car design at all in the slightest.

It's the same challenge as writing a song that doesn't remind at least someone of some other song. You can listen to as many songs as possible before you start to try avoiding them only to end up with one with hints of something you haven't heard yet, or you can shut everything out and avoid hearing any songs that corrupt your thoughts and cause you to borrow from them only to have something reminiscent of another song by pure coincidence.

Production cars are dictated as much by regulations, aerodynamics and the package underneath as they are by stylists, so mainstream cars end up being similar overall shapes. The designers are not being "lazy", that's a disgusting assumption made by too many people. Essentially the only things that makes the C-Class Coupé look like a US Accord Coupe are two side creases and the rear side windows. You think that means they copied it? I should hope not. The lines on the C Coupé are part of Mercedes's design aesthetic (basically carried over from the saloon), the roof was shaped by the wind and a flick up in the rear wide window is just a current trend (or was then). You could look at most of its rivals and find that...

I never meant to suggest that I just nod along to whatever the designer says. I'm not naiive or empty-headed. But sitting on your arse and making generalisations about someone's design is no better. Besides which, do you really think they were inspired by the Corvette? Remind yourself where a combination of a 7-shaped side vent and a swept-back roof with black A-pillars appeared before the C7 was even a Jalopnik exclusive:

Conforming to trends and ending up with something generic is one thing, but no designer hoping to get anywhere designs something that's actually just a hodgepodge of existing cars from other brands. Unless they're in China...

Also, remember that the design you see on the road was but one proposal out of 3 or 4 or 5 put in front of a decision-maker. If they picked the wrong one and we get a dull or ugly car, that's not the designers' fault either.