Subaru will sell 400,000 cars in the US this year

"DCCARGEEK" (dccargeek) 10/15/2013 at 14:51 • Filed to: Subaru, Sales

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If Subaru's sales continue as they have for the last 9 months the Japanese automaker will break the 400,000 sales mark for the first time since they arrived in America 50 years ago.

Year-to-date Subaru has sold 313,407 vehicles in the US. They still have three months of sales left which means they need to sell 86,593 cars total to meet the magic 400,000 number.

During the same three-month period in 2012 Subaru sold a total of 90,978 vehicles. Given that each month so far this year they've exceeded last year's sales numbers, cracking 400,000 vehicles in the US market seems like an easy victory.

While this number doesn't seem like much when you compare it to a corporation like General Motors, who sold 2.5 million cars in America last year, when stacked side-by-side with a brand like Mazda, who sold 277,046 cars in America, Subaru looks destined for great things.

Not bad for an automaker who sold 332 cars their first year in America and who according to some enthusiasts, have lost their way.

GhostZ > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 14:54

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Here is a secret spy shot of their up-coming "dealer special" models, designed specifically to keep up with this demand:

Seriously though. Aggressive expansion is needed.

DCCARGEEK > GhostZ 10/15/2013 at 15:08

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Expansion? In the form of retail stores or US-based Manf?

ZiptieMcBumper > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:15

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Disco Stu likes those projections!

GrauGeist > GhostZ 10/15/2013 at 15:18

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For the past 4 or 5 years, Subaru has been capacity limited. They sell every car they build and run very lean inventory.

Subaru has dramatically expanded production capacity, which is why they're able to sell 400,000 cars annually.

Aja1732 > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:18

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US-Based Manufacturing by far. The Factories are pumping them out as fast as they can. As when it comes to the Redesigned Forester, the majority are sold before they even make it to stores, once allocation is up.

HammerheadFistpunch > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:20

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"Not bad for an automaker who sold 332 cars their first year in America and who according to some enthusiasts, have lost their way.

Selling a lot of cars doesn't mean you haven't lost your way, ask Toyota.

davidj210 > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:20

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My thoughts on Subaru:

I drive a 2012 Impreza. Many Subaru lovers feel that the current Impreza has turned beige, compared to prior models. I can see that point. But it's also turned more practical and more fuel efficient, while still being one of the better driving compact/economy cars.

I don't care for how the Outback has evolved from a legitimate wagon into a crossover, and how the Forester has been transformed from a semi-crossover-ish wagon into a crossover as well. But, those models are selling damn well, and their popularity enables Subaru to keep the enthusiasts happy with the relatively low-volume BRZ's and WRX's.

SkarTisu > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:23

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The Turning Point in their fortunes? Involving dogs in their advertising campaigns.

Gator14 > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:24

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Just bought a 2014 Forester XT Friday. It's the perfect family car for someone who wants a driving experience that won't totally lull them to sleep.

GrauGeist > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:25

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400,000 sales in 2013 was predicted earlier in the year, and should be no surprise to anyone who's been watching Subaru.

2012 = 336,441

2011 = 266.989

2010 = 263,820

2009 = 216,652

2008 = 187,699

2007 = 187,208

As the numbers show, Subaru had a 190k ceiling through 2008. In 2009, Subaru began adding capacity, and hit a 265k ceiling in 2011. In 2012, Subaru continued to add capacity and is now more than double their 2007-2008 sales volume.

Not bad in 5 years. Only Hyundai-Kia group is close, going from 750k in 2007 to 1.26M in 2012.

Yes, Subaru is less niche. But without the growth, there wouldn't be a BRZ, or STi. So I'm good with it. Now, where's my next-gen SVX?

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BrtStlnd > HammerheadFistpunch 10/15/2013 at 15:25

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Not this bullshit again...

Hart88 > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:25

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Judging by the number of Bro'd and Rice'd WRXs around here, you'd think they did that every six months.

AQUAMAN01 > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:29

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I'll hopefully become part of the statistics for 2014 when i can finally get my WRX! :-D

Teddy Bonkers > Hart88 10/15/2013 at 15:30

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Drive around Boulder and you could say the same thing about Outbacks.

Smorgasborg > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:30

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I bought one recently! A new BRZ. Love, love, love that car.

Meatcoma > GrauGeist 10/15/2013 at 15:31

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Now, where's my next-gen SVX?

Yup.

Iwaswonderofwonders > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:31

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Every third person in Charlottesville has one, so it fits the sales model.

AJIndy500 > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:31

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I bought a 2013 Outback 2.5, which I love. It's the most versatile vehicle I can imagine. I thought about buying a Porsche Cayenne Diesel, but I already own a 911/997. The two cars perfectly complement each other.

camotoy > Hart88 10/15/2013 at 15:31

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whats a Bro'd out wrx? i know the other lol

BrtStlnd > GrauGeist 10/15/2013 at 15:32

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It should also be noted that in 2009 they came out with a new Forester and in 2010 the new Outback... which are by far their #1 and #2 sellers.

Bonhomme7h > SkarTisu 10/15/2013 at 15:34

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Do not underestimate the sex appeal of wet a sumo.

SkarTisu > Bonhomme7h 10/15/2013 at 15:35

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I kind of threw up in my mouth a little just now

ContactPatch > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:40

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400k cars... man, Subaru keeps those Australians busy!

HammerheadFistpunch > BrtStlnd 10/15/2013 at 15:42

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So Toyota deciding its time to make fun and interesting again cars as necessary part of their growth strategy is "bullshit"...okay. Look, there are good cars that are soulless and good cars with character, you don't have to build soulless cars to build good cars, or sell a lot of them. All the big manufactures fell into the trap of mediocrity during the booming 90's because you could have sold a turd with a Toyota badge on it, or any big SUV with 3 hamsters for an engine so companies got complacent. It happens all the time, get complacent, let the new guy eat your lunch. Remember how all the domestics though the scrappy startup called Toyota was a joke? Remember how The mega giant Toyota thought the scrappy startup Hyundai was a joke? I think we are beginning to see a Subaru that is content selling "okay" cars in volume and watch the profits roll in. It 100% works, for a while, but unless they shovel that money in to R&D and new projects (which Subaru has shown reluctance to do) then you end up selling a 10 year old car with a new face and the next new guy starts to eat your lunch. You have to innovate and be passionate to remain competitive, and right now, i don't see a trend of innovation or passion in Subaru, in fact, I see a severe conservatism in FHI. Don't get me wrong, I hope they prove me wrong but they probably wont.

DCCARGEEK > SkarTisu 10/15/2013 at 15:44

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I've long held that Subbie should work more branding opps in B&M places like Pet Smart.

BRZ-branded dog food for the super-active dog.

waymoe > HammerheadFistpunch 10/15/2013 at 15:47

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You are very nervous about people eating lunch. We're you bullied a lot? I can defend you if you like I was in the French military, I achieved the rank of Pierre.

LJ909 > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:47

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I have been seeing alot of those Crosstrek or whatever its called and Foresters. Nothing else. So I guess thats the bulk of their sales. Its weird though. I went to the local Subaru dealer, and it was as dead as a beach during winter, and they had a Tribeca on the showroom floor. I didint even know they still made that.

HammerheadFistpunch > waymoe 10/15/2013 at 15:49

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hey i know breakfast is the most important meal of the day...but 'cmon, we all know lunch is better.

SkarTisu > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 15:50

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I'm slightly shocked there are no PetSmart Edition Outbacks yet.

Der Sportwagoner > BrtStlnd 10/15/2013 at 16:08

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You mean opinions? Yes. Opinions again.

DCCARGEEK > GrauGeist 10/15/2013 at 16:09

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I imagine it will be predicted again next month as well. Just thought it was interesting, that's all.

Judge__Mills > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 16:11

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Doesn't matter; my wife won't let me get one. She think she would get made fun of. I explained to her the WRX, STI, and BRZ are different; they aren't yuppie mobiles. Doesn't matter. *sigh*

GrauGeist > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 16:11

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It's OK. This is a story that'll run until mid-January, as different analysts pick up on it and run with it.

ausSEA > davidj210 10/15/2013 at 16:12

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As someone who bought a 2013 XV Crosstrek, I definitely agree with your sentiment. My car can be considered beige, but I'd like someone to point out a car with symmetrical awd, good mpg, cargo capacity, ground clearance, and car-like road manners all while costing $21k. It's no sports car, but if it's the only car you are going to own in WA it'll definitely handle anything you throw at it.

David E. Davis > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 16:15

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I am reminded of this game.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 16:18

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Ironic graphic, considering an affordable mainstream ***AWD*** sport coupe as a unique product on the market, a currently un-served marketshare, is the one thing they don't sell anymore, while they are seeking more and more marketshare.

Neil G > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 16:24

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My 2008 STi was the worse car I have ever owned. Just do a Google search for "ringland failure". Think its just coinicidence that most of your results are turbo Subarus? I'll never buy another Subaru.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > Gator14 10/15/2013 at 16:34

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My family's had three Subies, and they all have been wonderful. My 2010 Foz XT had a higher amount for the Subaru Guarantee Trade In for the first year than what I paid for it. 43k miles later, no issues at all.

The new Foz seems even better, and I like the interior of the new Legacy /Outback. I would have preferred they kept the Outback a wagon, but they gotta go where there's market share. I'm going to be really interested to see what happens with the new CVT in the Foz XT and if it has the longevity of the old 4EAT.

DCCARGEEK > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 10/15/2013 at 16:35

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Irony indeed.

That was intentional.

Mash_Tun > ausSEA 10/15/2013 at 16:39

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Werd. I got one for pretty much the same reasons. It's just a good car.

Plus I saved enough money that I could maybe afford that 30 K Lotus Elise in a couple of years. And I'll get it orange, so my driveway will look like this:

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qqwweerrttyy > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 16:40

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Too bad they're too expensive these days. I'd love a reasonably priced wagon as my daily/backup car, but I can't justify spending over $20k on it. At this point, I'm considering a used car to be my 'reliable' car.

Ce he sin > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 16:40

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Great mysteries of our time: Subaru sales go from strength to strength on one side of the Atlantic. On the other, they're dead and becoming more so. The Impreza wrx was a thing once but its day is done.

Have they Americanised their cars at the expense of sales elsewhere?

Giant Lobster Monster > davidj210 10/15/2013 at 20:06

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I grew up in a Subaru family. I've been driving and riding in all kinds of Subaru's since the mid 80's. I saw the brand gain recognition and respect all my life here in Canada, and I'm proud of the accomplishments of the brand, especially during their WRC golden age. But while I'm glad that more people are embracing Subaru's all-wheel-drive and legendary reliability, I don't want to see the ruggedness and rawness of the brand make way to comfort. I welcome the recent improvement in fuel economy, but I'm not very excited about things like the manual transmissions no longer being offered on the turbo Forester. I have high hopes for the next gen-WRX. November can't come soon enough.

DIRTEE30 > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 21:04

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It wouldn't surprise me. Subaru has always offered good products for the right niche. I'm not sure that they're aiming for the kind of volume that Toyota and Honda see yearly, but by setting a specific, yet realistic goal, and really know your target audience, you win by loyalty, not by volume. It's no secret that Subaru customers are very loyal, cultish, even. They're certainly doing something right.

zeksteve > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 21:35

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i swear the only cars that feel as good on the road as subarus are BMWs

Not overlylight steering but very connected.

through the corners, not giving much gas= understeer

medium gas = neutral

full throttle = over steer.

its not just the awd but the entire design of the car if you ever had to drive through a pile up on the interstate its amazing how well the car handles, i threaded the needle with mine when about a dozen cars started to spin on out 95 in CT.

problems with subaru, the technology compared to other cars is now dated as far as the interior goes.

the new legacy and outback are pigs.

Power is lacking slightly.

no MT on the new XT forester = total fail.

well built reliable cars, yes a few years have some issues, a few models for a few years need the oil pick up replaced.

head gasket issues for a couple years but if you actually change the coolant when you should most people didnt get it

manualmotives > Neil G 10/15/2013 at 22:02

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Shame. 2008 was probably the lowest point in WRX/STi history. The 2011+'s are amazing but I don't blame you for giving up after the 08.

vailima750 > Smorgasborg 10/15/2013 at 22:22

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I bought a Impreza this year! Gooooood shit.

zeksteve > Neil G 10/15/2013 at 22:51

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Ringland = you beat the shit out of the car and odds are upped the boost 25-50%

Juryrigged > DCCARGEEK 10/15/2013 at 23:44

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I wonder what percentage of those got sold in the Seattle area. It seems like all I see around here are Toyota's and Subaru's (The Subaru's being the way cooler of the 2).

Beju > manualmotives 10/16/2013 at 01:30

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: has Subaru not half-assed the 2008 WRX and instead released something like the revised 2011 that year, is be rolling in a WRX instead of a Mazdaspeed3, and I like Mazdas in general.

Kanaric > Judge__Mills 10/16/2013 at 02:16

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wait, your wife wont let you get a car because someone might "make fun of you"? Grow some balls, man, lmao.

If you post on this site you clearly know more about cars than her. The only thing that happens with my car is people 1/2 my age walk up to me and tell me they want it or how awesome a car it is. One day I was lazy and had a local shop do the oil change and they were jacking off to my "huge" (stock) turbo.

Kanaric > Neil G 10/16/2013 at 02:17

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STI only has this problem. WRX does not and new STIs don't have this problem.

What you did wrong: buying a 1st MY car. I had horrible issues with a 350z that was an 03. You NEVER buy a first MY car no matter what company, your mistake don't blame the company for you ignoring a commonly known rule.

Insurance Joe > HammerheadFistpunch 10/16/2013 at 02:18

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You just don't understand what makes a Subaru a Subaru. Also, Subaru is prepping the new WRX, was a major part of the BRZ/FR-S, is possibly the best car company when it comes to safety in crashes, and their Eyesight system just topped the new IIHS test for automatic emergency braking. It may be possible to argue that Subaru is the new Volvo thanks to their reliability and safety. Don't forget that they just launched a new AWD system called X-Mode in the 2014 Forester. At the same time, it's nice that the stereo head unit can actually be changed in nearly all Subarus still. One thing I've always enjoyed is that Subaru tries to put meaningful tech in cars as opposed to everything possible in my opinion. Subaru may appear to be conservative, but they don't follow the path of GM, Toyota, Ford, or Honda. They do their own thing. Since about 2009, they have done a great job of improving their appeal to a wider audience without alienating their core audience. You can possibly argue that the WRX alienated some of the core, but that seems to be why they are splitting it off from the main Impreza line.

Kanaric > AQUAMAN01 10/16/2013 at 02:19

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i would wait for the next model TBH. I own a '12 WRX which is the same as a '14 and it's good but the next wrx is probably going to be better.

Kanaric > Juryrigged 10/16/2013 at 02:19

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they are all over now. I'm in vegas and they are everywhere too.

BlackLab > DCCARGEEK 10/16/2013 at 04:40

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I think AWD is awesome - so I don't mind this - especially since Subaru uses a real setup with a center differential. I just wish they made them a bit better looking. Oh well there is always Audi I guess.

MarchingAnt21 > DCCARGEEK 10/16/2013 at 08:10

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Bought a BRZ 3 weeks ago, I AM IN LOVE.

norsairius > Judge__Mills 10/16/2013 at 08:33

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Your wife couldn't be more wrong (I'll leave it up to you if you want to actually tell her that). Granted, it might have to do with the area you live in, but Subarus are viewed with high regard in states that see any kind of snow. They also have a reputation for being indestructible and basically tanks.

They won't always look great while moving about on the road, but you can also rest easy knowing that they WILL get you around on public roads. Offroad on the other hand, you will find their limitations if things get really messy, but Subarus are excellent on public roads in all weather conditions.

I've driven my parents' old Subaru Forester and my old WRX (I've since traded it in) through all kinds of snow/ice and as long as you're a competent driver, you'll be fine. It's just important to remember that while AWD is very helpful, it can't replace a good driver and it won't help when braking. Can't believe how many people think they're invincible on bad roads in bad weather just because they have all wheel drive.

sschwing > Meatcoma 10/16/2013 at 08:44

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IT'S BACK! Only now it's called the BRZ.

sschwing > Bonhomme7h 10/16/2013 at 08:45

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That poor, poor hood.

sschwing > David E. Davis 10/16/2013 at 08:48

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Buh buh ba dahhhhhoooowwwwww....

sschwing > DCCARGEEK 10/16/2013 at 08:51

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I think a lot of the success of the Outback lately is due to the redesign of the 2010 from an aesthetic standpoint - never mind the increased cabin space and fuel economy.

For instance, my wife WILL NOT drive a 96-99, 00-05, 06-10 Outback because, why? They look like wagons. However, she's thrilled she'll be getting the 2013/14 at some point in the next year because it's more SUV'ish.

I don't know what her problem is.. I'd love a 09 turbo Outback.

DSC Off > SkarTisu 10/16/2013 at 09:55

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I'd say lesbians.

Fiatjustitiaetpereatmundus > DCCARGEEK 10/16/2013 at 09:55

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I currently drive a 2001 Outback Limited with a 5 speed (which is a fine car, just not particularly remarkable in any way other than the fact the clutch was so strangely unwieldy I had to get a new one put in), which replaced a 2001 Forester base with the automatic. I also regularly drive a 2013 Forester with the 5 speed, also a base model. The one I miss the most is the 01 Forester; it had tons of space but was small on the outside, good visibility from the drivers seat, comfortable, and open. All in all, a good small car with a lot of space. I would say my gripe with the new ones is that they have gotten too big, however it is pretty obvious by their sales that is the way things are going. Who will build the next small, all wheel drive, station wagon that is worth a crap as a daily driver?

HammerheadFistpunch > Insurance Joe 10/16/2013 at 10:30

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I thought it was love

Dest > Judge__Mills 10/16/2013 at 10:41

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What are you/she driving right now? I don't get how any any Subaru is a yuppie mobile.

RandomContent > Gator14 10/16/2013 at 11:29

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If only it came with a manual...

Neil G > zeksteve 10/16/2013 at 12:23

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Nope thats the most disappointing part. 90% of my miles were highway. I probably still have the highest fuelly average for an STI of that year (also pretty disappointing).
http://www.fuelly.com/driver/nateg20…
Basically imo subaru really dropped the ball. They changed the piston design to hypereutectic, in 07 actually, but made no other design considerations. Sure the older boxers had some of these issues, but I'd say it was a pretty normal failure rate for a perfomance minded vehicle. Most of those cases were likely as you described high boost and the car had a rough life.
Now I drive a '12 Civic Si that has 46k miles (twice what the subaru had on it)on it and has had no mechnical problems, not to mention only requires 1/3 of the maintenance. It still drives like new, its surprisingly not much slower, gets over 50% better gas mileage, and is still rattle free. I'm sure the '12 sti is better than my '08 was. It had better be a lot better. No wonder I got it at such a discount when it was new.
I also drive a turbo mustang that hasn't broken any ringlands that wasn't even designed for boost.
Please explain to me why ALL of page one google hits for "ringland failure" were on Subaru engines when these components aren't unique to Subaru engines. It's pretty obvious that I am far from the only other person who has experienced this problem.

-408- > BrtStlnd 10/16/2013 at 12:25

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2014 brought another new Forester which is still a huge seller and parked at my house daily.

Neil G > Kanaric 10/16/2013 at 12:34

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Yeah I seem to keep making that mistake. I bought my STI in the great sale off. They had real deep discounts on them, like 8 k off sticker and 0% financing. It was a good enough deal to take a chance on a first year model especially when the changes appeared mostly cosmetic on paper.

GreenN_Gold > LJ909 10/16/2013 at 12:39

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I'm sure you've seen a ton of Outbacks too, they're just barely noticeable though.

tallen702 > HammerheadFistpunch 10/16/2013 at 12:59

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No innovation or passion at Subaru? I hate to tell you this, but you're outright wrong on that front. Subaru continues to do what they've always done and make a better car this year than they did last year. Mind you, "better" doesn't always mean "prettier" or "sportier" but generally speaking, the new models do at least as much as the old model did, but with even better stuff added on. Compare that to Toyota or Honda who have made recent and serious missteps with their golden geese (the Corolla and Civic respectively). Now, I'm not saying I'm going to go out there and buy a new Impreza and love it over my old 2.5RS Bug-Eye (I still cry over the fact that I sold it many years ago) But the new Impreza is lightyears beyond the 2.0 Impreza of the same model year as my 2.5 in power, handling, acceleration, fuel economy, cargo space, leg room, interior comfort, etc. etc. etc. You have to remember that Subaru's main focus this past decade has been on two things.

1) Squeezing better fuel economy out of the boxer platform (a tough job BTW)

2) Proving to be a more ecologically responsible company than any other out there by going zero-landfill etc. instead of just throwing a battery in the back of the car and saying "look ma! I'm a hybrid!"

New Subies are better in so many ways, and much more innovative in so many ways, than old Subies (with a few nostalgic exceptions) and what's more, they know their market. Is a small portion made up of sporty enthusiasts? Yes. And so you got the F-XT, the WRX, and the BRZ. Is the larger portion looking for the best all-around vehicle with safety, stability, room for gear, and comfort? Yep. And so you get that in the rest of their line.

Just because they haven't done anything like the 22B or Bug-Eye in 10 years (although the BRZ really comes close if you ask me) doesn't mean they aren't evolving, innovating, and making the best decisions they can.

tallen702 > HammerheadFistpunch 10/16/2013 at 13:02

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Also, remember this, their innovative autos were always albatrosses around their necks in the past. See many SVX/XT6/Original 2.5RS's around these days? No? Yeah, it's because they sold like crap. In hindsight are they great innovative car designs that deserved longer lives? Yep! Does that help them pay the bills as a company? Nope.

Judge__Mills > Dest 10/16/2013 at 15:01

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Seattle/Olympia area, the Subaru is considered a lifeystyle car. Don't ask me, I don't get it either. I want one now!

Judge__Mills > norsairius 10/16/2013 at 15:04

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We are in the Pacific Northwest. Pretty sure the Subaru's here come standard with a COEXIST bumper sticker. I tell her all the time she's wrong; doesn't matter. Maybe she's making up for her femininity, since she was a college basketball player and 6 feet tall? Haha.

Judge__Mills > Kanaric 10/16/2013 at 15:07

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Not make fun of me, make fun of her. Subaru's in Washington State are a status car, fully equipped with the COEXIST bumper sticker.

Dest > Judge__Mills 10/16/2013 at 15:32

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Doesn't it rain a lot there? Wouldn't awd be...practical?

drift240 > David E. Davis 10/16/2013 at 22:02

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I yodelled the song to myself in my head as I saw the subie climbing the graph.

manualmotives > Beju 10/16/2013 at 23:17

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Definitely. Lost a lot of potential buyers and more importantly repeat-buyers, like Nell up there. Hopefully they don't fuck up 2015's WRX/STi doin the same shenanigans. And if you see a 2013 WRX giving you a thumbs up, its probably me since I'm the only Subaru owner I know that does that to the MS3's :P

darthvapor77 > Gator14 10/21/2013 at 01:15

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I agree totally Gator

darthvapor77 > Gator14 10/21/2013 at 01:37

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I would like to add 2 things - I picked up a limited this week on the spot. I could not wait 2-3 months + for the factory to send what I really wanted - a touring model without eyesight. It rides really nice although my dash board seems to be somehow slightly faded and oddly my navigation computer says it has 250 miles on it although my odometer says I only have about 100 miles. I asked a guy at the dealership but he did not know & the one tech. he asked did not know about this nor the fact that the dealer has to activate the shock sensors, which has me thinking maybe I should find another dealer who knows what they are doing.

I am not sure now if the 2-3 months plus they told me was truthful because after I bought the car I was told I could get some parts at the dealers cost, however when i went into do so they tried to hose me. Luckily I checked and another dealer had listed prices online cheaper than what they were trying to tell me was their price. Should I be mad? I have 2 years maintenance, but that does not mean I need to take it to the same dealership for 2 years, especially if they are lying to me left and right. They told me this car just came in but the fact that the dash seems faded and the navigation has an extra 250 miles has me wondering also the multi function control is lacking the feature to turn the audible off when you open/close or lock the doors, although it looks really sharp and drives well I love it for the most part. I wish the dealer would be able to sell and install turn mirrors with lights on them like the touring models get.

darthvapor77 > MarchingAnt21 10/21/2013 at 01:42

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I 2nd that Forester Limited w. NaV. Some people complain about the NAV but it reminds me of the ones on the systems when i rented a car overseas, so i am cool with that.

darthvapor77 > Gator14 10/21/2013 at 01:52

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i totally agreee with you there