I am fascinated by Chernobyl

"YSI-what can brown do for you" (ysi-what-can-brown-do-for-you)
10/14/2013 at 23:52 • Filed to: None

And completely creeped out by it. So have a good documentary on it!

DISCUSSION (16)

offroadkarter > YSI-what can brown do for you
10/14/2013 at 23:58

I would love to visit Chernobyl one day, I just don't want to grow a third testicle or something

YSI-what can brown do for you > offroadkarter
10/14/2013 at 23:59

You can go there for a day, without implication. Just go to a doctor and get some sort detox or something. People go there all the time!

offroadkarter > YSI-what can brown do for you
10/15/2013 at 00:01

You can't fool me, I saw Chernobyl Diaries. If I don't get attacked by the mutants, I'll get shot by the military. Or taken away by the military and thrown to the mutants!

YSI-what can brown do for you > offroadkarter
10/15/2013 at 00:04

There are mutants because of the accident, but they are usually your normal humans, they just look a little different. They aren't going to hurt you. Just don't eat anything around the town, it is irradiated to shit.

Now, I don't know if Chernobyl is completely off access, or you just need to talk to someone to get you in.

DavidHH > YSI-what can brown do for you
10/15/2013 at 00:08

Kinja'd!!!

It's a time capsule for the Soviet Union, and a reminder of why we should not perform unauthorized tests at nuclear power plants. Unfortunately we now also have the effects of "design modifications" to the GE mark II reactor, known as Fukushima Daiichi. This being hydro-locking the diesel generators, and using the water from the spent fuel rod pool as emergency coolant for the reactors.

offroadkarter > YSI-what can brown do for you
10/15/2013 at 00:12

Uri will take you through the back gate, because they are doing "maintenance"

Kinja'd!!!

YSI-what can brown do for you > DavidHH
10/15/2013 at 00:14

Luckily that wasn't nearly as bad as Chernobyl, but concidering how devestating that was. . . they really should have done more. I really hope everyone is okay though.

DavidHH > YSI-what can brown do for you
10/15/2013 at 00:49

Fukushima Daiichi is probably worse than Chernobyl, but since much of the radiation is going out to sea, the government of Japan is ignoring it. After all Japan is dumping toxic waste in the ocean from it's industries. Note, at Chernobyl, only one reactor burned, not several spent fuel pools worth of nuclear waste, which is worse than a partial meltdown.

YSI-what can brown do for you > DavidHH
10/15/2013 at 00:53

Interesting. I don't know much about the disaster, but now that you said that, I want to know more.

DavidHH > YSI-what can brown do for you
10/15/2013 at 02:35

The current problem at Fukushima Daiichi is that ground water is transporting radioactive material to the sea. They tried to prevent the water from flowing below the plant, by injecting a "concrete material" (portland cement?) into the ground to make an underground dam. When this failed to work, they decided to try making an ice dam by cooling the earth, thus preventing water from flowing under the site. So they are currently drilling so they can insert pipes into the ground, to make a heat exchanger by pumping refrigerant though them.

I suspect that Fukushima Daiichi will turn out to be worse than Chernobyl and that Japan will end up with a large exclusion zone. The problem with making the sea radioactive, is that it makes the fish radioactive, so when the fish are eaten by sea birds, this makes for radioactive bird poo. The radioactive poo is being dumped by the birds on land, and so the contamination is spreading.

The big problem is simply that Japan always has to redesign foreign technology to make it Japanese technology. And while Japan has good engineers, Japan really sucks at design. This is why most of their cars are not designed in Japan, as the Toyota Corona of the 1970's proved.

Basically Japan took a safe western reactor design and made it very dangerous. The diesel generators hydro-locked, because they were too close to the sea and so the cooling system failed.

The only thing worse than a nuclear reactor without coolant, is a spent nuclear fuel rod pool without coolant. And they designed their reactors to have the spent nuclear fuel rod pool above the reactor, so it's coolant could be used as emergency reactor coolant. They also had about 250% of the safe quantity of fuel in two of the pools.

By the way, India's reactors are based on the Cando (Canadian designed) heavy water reactors, so when they run low on coolant, they lack the neutron density to sustain nuclear fission and thus cool down. So they are inherently safe, as Canada proved by having drunken and incompetent management at several reactors. A government study found that despite some very disturbing "management" problems, no accident took place, largely due to their fail-safe design.

Now do you still want to know more, or do you wish you didn't know about how stupid we humans can be?

YSI-what can brown do for you > DavidHH
10/15/2013 at 02:53

I want to know more, if you want to tell me more. If not, got any good sources? Reading, or video.

DavidHH > YSI-what can brown do for you
10/15/2013 at 03:38

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima…

http://www.npr.org/

(I heard about the ice damn listening to NPR on the radio)

I have also learned about nuclear power from a few nuclear engineers, and in college. The key is learning the difference between heavy water and light water reactors. For Chernobyl, it is import to learn about graphite core reactors, and to remember that graphite burns.

Bird > YSI-what can brown do for you
10/15/2013 at 03:49

I'm going there next summer! I've been fascinated by it since I was a kid. I love anything abandoned. I've always been fascinated by the series of events that lead up to places being abandoned.

Ferrero1911 and I bought a Lada and we're going on roadtrip from Tallin, Estonia to Amsterdam via St Petersburg, Moscow, Kiev (with side trip to Prypiat), Odessa, Bucharest, Budapest, Vienna, Prague, Munich, maybe the Stelvio Pass, Stuttgart, Luxembourg, and Antwerpen.

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(The links go to our blog. You may have already seen me post about this too...)

Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder > Bird
10/15/2013 at 06:19

Amsterdam? cool.

You will be in my country then!

Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder > YSI-what can brown do for you
10/15/2013 at 06:23