NPOCP: 1995 Supra N/A with a LS swap

"SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman" (dasborgen) 10/12/2013 at 23:57 • Filed to: NPOCP, Toyota, Supra, LS2

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$30,000

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/409656…

fuck you fanboys!!! 2JZ-GE < LS2

Lets Just Drive > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 10/13/2013 at 00:01

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$30K and I get to look at a Toyota wheel, and GTO gauges?

Given that it's a project car, given that we can't inspect the quality of the work, and given that price? Crack Pipe. That's just me though.

With $30K I'm pretty sure I could do a lot better.

TSLA > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 10/13/2013 at 00:16

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CP. Thats one of the dumbest swaps ive seen to date. Who does something like that?

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > TSLA 10/13/2013 at 00:23

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Why is that a dumb swap?

more power from an engine that weighs about the same while probably lowering the CoG

Squid > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 10/13/2013 at 00:30

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SACRILEGE! Why would anyone swap out the 2-Jay-Z-GTE in favor of an LS? Just because it fits doesn't make sense, plus the 2JZ is a pretty stout motor to begin with it makes me wonder what this dickhead did to get it to explode to necessitate an LS swap. RX7's with LS's are understandable because as lovely as the 13B is, it is just not reliable. Also, this swap is not worthy of this price at all. A clean stock Supra with no mods and low miles, some what could be considered NP but I'd rather have an NSX. This monstrosity is NSX money. . . . . . . . . . .

Squid > Squid 10/13/2013 at 00:32

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I must amend my previous comment, this is an acceptable swap if it started life as one of the NA Supra's. So it is less sacrilegious, but still not worth the $30,000 he is asking for.

TSLA > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 10/13/2013 at 00:34

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How is that more power? The 2jz stock bottom end can safely handle upwards of 1,000hp while the Ls2 can't make anything above 700hp reliable on a stock block. And a turbo setup for a n/a 2jz is super easy to put together and much cheaper than buying something silly like a ls2.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 10/13/2013 at 00:41

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offroadkarter > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 10/13/2013 at 01:16

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lol @ the GTO gauge cluster, thats awesome

boxrocket > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 10/13/2013 at 03:26

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Absolute CP. $30K for someone else's project? Also, only an LS2? Sure it's not that old, but for $30K, I'd want at least an LSA, but even then, it's a) still someone else's project, b) not a Japanese engine, let alone anything Toyota ever made, c) $30K for a Supra should bring a clean, factory-stock inside and out, with the TT 2JZ-GTE with very few miles on it. An LS2-swapped modded Gen-4 that's probably not lived an easy life shouldn't even break into the $20Ks.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > TSLA 10/13/2013 at 05:27

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Power isn't everything, all bets are off when you introduce forced induction

A3R0 > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 10/13/2013 at 10:03

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I think all these Supra swaps are great and all, but someone save some of the stock ones!

Shooltzie > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 10/13/2013 at 10:37

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Weren't the LS2's iron blocks? If so I'd just boost the living fuck out of it and roll with that.

I'm 100% all for pissing off the Supra Fanbois, because most of them are 15 and only have watched F&F.

Atomic Buffalo > Shooltzie 10/13/2013 at 12:04

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LS1 and LS2 are all aluminum. Not sure about all the truck motors of the time.

Are Supra Turbo engines difficult to come by or ridiculously expensive? I have no idea, hence the question. If equivalent/better parts are still manufactured, I'd put Supras on the short "do not soil with a smallblock" list. But if you can't really get/build faithful engines anymore, then this is acceptable.

TSLA > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 10/13/2013 at 15:09

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If your talking about track use, the I6 is the most balacned engine ever produced.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > TSLA 10/13/2013 at 17:55

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If my talking about track use?

What does that even mean?

TSLA > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 10/13/2013 at 19:07

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Non of your arguments have made sense. When you said "Power isn't everything" then rambled on about adding power, I could only assume you were talking about handling. Or was it reliability? Because the 2jz beats an Ls2 in all of that.

Bruno Martini > TSLA 10/14/2013 at 13:30

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Are you sure? 2jz handles upwards of 1000hp reliably? Forum benchmarking much? Also 2jz parts are freaking expensive. Get your head out of the gofer hole. Also reliability becomes a concern around the same hp figures. Which is much lower than 1000hp. Also peaky power band, with an engine that lives in the last 2000rpm of the rev range to make the power makes the v8 with its low end grunt more practical for daily driving, not to mention easier on the wallet at the pump.

TSLA > Bruno Martini 10/14/2013 at 16:26

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Then please explain to me how the stock 2Jz bottom end regularly sees +1000hp? Magic? I don't think so...

Bruno Martini > TSLA 10/14/2013 at 16:28

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Seeing 1000hp and making it reliable it a completely different pot of kettle. Modular fords can make over 700whp out of the 3v 4.6L with rods that are no bigger than your toothbrush. However its not reliable. Add a real rotating assembly they will make 1000hp on pump gasoline daily. ~850whp.....

Bruno Martini > TSLA 10/14/2013 at 16:33

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Also check out this forum post. It seems to be hit or miss with the 2jz. Not all are created equal.

Here you go.

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/136499-s…

Here is the line that makes you think. "2J are great engines, but not every unit holds hudge powers. . . .even pro 2J tuners in japan are still guessing why some 2Js can hold 1000HP on stock internals and some pop around 500HP??????" Not my words either.

TSLA > Bruno Martini 10/14/2013 at 16:52

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You continue to undermine one of the greatest I6 engines ever produced... It is a massive engine that was created to see high numbers and has Toyota's reliability. The car in question is a '95 Supra that has had its iconic engine removed and replaced with a LS2 out of a GTO. An engine that will never see the numbers a 2Jz will see and not nearly as reliable.

Bruno Martini > TSLA 10/14/2013 at 17:09

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You continue to have rose tinted glasses. Your talking about ls2's. The kind of engine that that has 50 different variants with interchangeable parts and parts availability longer than anything else on the planet. Your also talking about one of the most hot rodded engines of all time with a side of freaking millions of them being made. Your also talking about an engine that has been built to over 2500hp. It takes cubic dollars to make power, dollar per dollar nothing beats an lsx engine in the US. As for the greatest I6 ever made? I think your wrong, The s54 is probably higher in that scale in my eyes. There is a reason the venom gt has an lsx under its rear glass, its not because it sux.... And arguably that is a 1000hp production car, limited production but production non the less. There is also shelby ssc ultimate aero, also 1000+hp production cars. Not based on 2jz...

Saying its the grates i6 ever made is like saying I took the best crap in the world. No one cares. When building power on the cheap, an lsx is 600bux away from making 500hp with no power adders. Get my point here? In either case, I'm not thrilled with this swap either its a waste of an lsx. Never liked that body style supra. Prefer the roach coach versions.

MTY85 > TSLA 10/27/2013 at 06:23

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Alright, did THIS car make "upwards of 1,000 hp" on the stock bottom end? No, it didn't. The engine was thrown out and replaced with one that had more power. I know a lot of people are still living in the 90s and think the 2JZGTE is God's gift to mankind, but let's try and be realistic.